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Boomboom521

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I agree with your point.....but the " talks" should be ended for everyone...not just one race, and this ad is VERY politically motivated, because the majority of the left (not you as I have said in the past) wants to make it a white (conservative) vs black (liberal ) thing...that's why guys like Atlkvb who break the "mold" that liberals think blacks should be really get under the skin of some on this board
I have no “mold” for how anyone should think or act, but maybe some do. I think this ad addresses BLM and a legitimate concern in our nation right now.

I do agree that the ad would have been more legitimate if it addressed multiple races, but it wouldn’t have worked as well with the “through the decades” angle of the ad.
 

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I thought he explained it pretty well here...me too in post #20.[winking]

With regard to your post 20, I didn't take that video as people thinking they were inferior. I took it as parents showing concern for their children and the things that are going on around them. That's not to say that your perspective is wrong, but I'm not seeing it.

I get that we all have to have conversations with our children. Every kid is going to experience someone picking on them or putting them down at some point. I've had conversations with my older daughter about that stuff. The names may be different, but that sort of stuff is universal. I get that part.

I also know that implicit bias is a real thing. That's not necessarily racism, but an unintentional bias that all of us have. I always say that I'll play by the rules of the game, but I need to know the rules. I see this video as an example of parents sharing their version of the rules as they see them with their kids. I don't think that makes the parents appear to be victims. I think it is parents trying to be real with their kids and set them up for success.

I do like the point about the fathers in the commercial remaining silent. I think that's a mistake in there.
 
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I have no “mold” for how anyone should think or act, but maybe some do. I think this ad addresses BLM and a legitimate concern in our nation right now.

I do agree that the ad would have been more legitimate if it addressed multiple races, but it wouldn’t have worked as well with the “through the decades” angle of the ad.
or for the dems who are trying to muster votes by scare tactics....what's next...a commercial where the KKK is burning their house......followed by vote democratic in 2020?
 

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With regard to your post 20, I didn't take that video as people thinking they were inferior. I took it as parents showing concern for their children and the things that are going on around them. That's not to say that your perspective is wrong, but I'm not seeing it.

I get that we all have to have conversations with our children. Every kid is going to experience someone picking on them or putting them down at some point. I've had conversations with my older daughter about that stuff. The names may be different, but that sort of stuff is universal. I get that part.

I also know that implicit bias is a real thing. That's not necessarily racism, but an unintentional bias that all of us have. I always say that I'll play by the rules of the game, but I need to know the rules. I see this video as an example of parents sharing their version of the rules as they see them with their kids. I don't think that makes the parents appear to be victims. I think it is parents trying to be real with their kids and set them up for success.

I do like the point about the fathers in the commercial remaining silent. I think that's a mistake in there.

The point is Mule that video or "talk" could be played for any kid for almost any reason! Let's say suppose instead of "race" as the underpinning we changed the underpinning of the video to "Christian"? What would change in the vernacular of that video? How many Parents Black or White or Hispanic for that matter need have that same kind of talk with their kids if they're believers in a secular World of anti-Christian bigotry?

Race was the peg used to suggest perceptions that may or may not exist. What disgusts me about it is the suggestion that all folks are going to treat those kids as inferior, and planting those seeds of doubt into the minds of the kids as being something other than equal which they already are regardless of how they're stigmatized.

I raised my kids as both Black and Christian. They are well spoken, articulate, intelligent, competent, and strong believers in Christ. How much "acceptance" do you think they are afforded in the current culture? I didn't have that talk with them. My "talks" with them were to always be the best they were created to be, find out what they're good at and do it to the best of their God given ability, remember their uniqueness under Christ, and always seek to do his will in their Lives first because ultimately he's the only one they should worry about pleasing.

Isn't that a better message we could be our teaching kids to get around racial hatred, bigotry, prejudice, and the stupidity that constitutes the "victimization" mentality fed by the atheistic Left for anyone perceived not to be treated as "equal"?
 
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or for the dems who are trying to muster votes by scare tactics....what's next...a commercial where the KKK is burning their house......followed by vote democratic in 2020?
Both sides use scare tactics.

I will say this. I'm glad I haven't heard any "boycott P&G" stuff about the video. That stuff gets crazy, again from both sides.
 
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The point is Mule that video or "talk" could be played for any kid for almost any reason! Let's say suppose instead of "race" as the underpinning we changed the underpinning of the video to "Christian"? What would change in the vernacular of that video? How many Parents Black or White or Hispanic for that matter need have that same kind of talk with their kids if they're believers in a secular World of anti-Christian bigotry?

Race was the peg used to suggest perceptions that may or may not exist. What disgusts me about it is the suggestion that all folks are going to treat those kids as inferior, and planting those seeds of doubt into the minds of the kids as being something other than equal which they already are regardless of how they're stigmatized.

I raised my kids as both Black and Christian. They are well spoken, articulate, intelligent, competent, and strong believers in Christ. How much "acceptance" do you think they are afforded in the current culture? I didn't have that talk with them. My "talks" with them were to always be the best they were created to be, find out what they're good at and do it to the best of their ability, remember their uniqueness under Christ, and always seek to do his will in their Lives first because ultimately he's the only one they should worry about pleasing.

Isn't that a better message we could be our teaching kids to get around racial hatred, bigotry, prejudice, and the stupidity that constitutes the "victimization" mentality fed by the atheistic Left for anyone perceived not to be treated as "equal"?
Amen and Amen...this should be required reading for every liberal...at least the ones who can read....not bad for an uppity black man
 

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Both sides use scare tactics.

I will say this. I'm glad I haven't heard any "boycott P&G" stuff about the video. That stuff gets crazy, again from both sides.

I'll say it. Boycott P&G. They're a competitor of mine in a particular market.
 

atlkvb

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Amen and Amen...this should be required reading for every liberal...at least the ones who can read....not bad for an uppity black man

The only problem you'd run into with a vast majority of secular Liberals is they would likely be the ones picking on the kids who were believers! Not all of 'em, but the racists likely wouldn't be believers in Christ.
 
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The point is Mule that video or "talk" could be played for any kid for almost any reason! Let's say suppose instead of "race" as the underpinning we changed the underpinning of the video to "Christian"? What would change in the vernacular of that video? How many Parents Black or White or Hispanic for that matter need have that same kind of talk with their kids if they're believers in a secular World of anti-Christian bigotry?

Race was the peg used to suggest perceptions that may or may not exist. What disgusts me about it is the suggestion that all folks are going to treat those kids as inferior, and planting those seeds of doubt into the minds of the kids as being something other than equal which they already are regardless of how they're stigmatized.

I raised my kids as both Black and Christian. They are well spoken, articulate, intelligent, competent, and strong believers in Christ. How much "acceptance" do you think they are afforded in the current culture? I didn't have that talk with them. My "talks" with them were to always be the best they were created to be, find out what they're good at and do it to the best of their God given ability, remember their uniqueness under Christ, and always seek to do his will in their Lives first because ultimately he's the only one they should worry about pleasing.

Isn't that a better message we could be our teaching kids to get around racial hatred, bigotry, prejudice, and the stupidity that constitutes the "victimization" mentality fed by the atheistic Left for anyone perceived not to be treated as "equal"?
I didn't take that those parents were saying that all people would treat those kids as inferior, although the "be twice as smart, work twice as hard" part could be taken that way. I took it as parents addressing specific concerns in specific situations. I don't see that as playing a victim. I see that as preparing your kids for what they either have encountered or might encounter.

I'm several years behind you in the parenting game. I'm encouraged by your success. I preach the Golden Rule, responsibility, and respect. My older daughter is in first grade now, and the younger one is still in a crib, so I have a long road ahead of me.
 

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I didn't take that those parents were saying that all people would treat those kids as inferior, although the "be twice as smart, work twice as hard" part could be taken that way. I took it as parents addressing specific concerns in specific situations. I don't see that as playing a victim. I see that as preparing your kids for what they either have encountered or might encounter.

I'm several years behind you in the parenting game. I'm encouraged by your success. I preach the Golden Rule, responsibility, and respect. My older daughter is in first grade now, and the younger one is still in a crib, so I have a long road ahead of me.

Just teach them to be confident in themselves and realize they'll never be able to please everyone and everyone won't always like them because people are free to like or dislike whoever they want. Teach them to like themselves, and tell everyone else to go to Hell! [winking]
 
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I didn't take that those parents were saying that all people would treat those kids as inferior, although the "be twice as smart, work twice as hard" part could be taken that way. I took it as parents addressing specific concerns in specific situations. I don't see that as playing a victim. I see that as preparing your kids for what they either have encountered or might encounter.

I'm several years behind you in the parenting game. I'm encouraged by your success. I preach the Golden Rule, responsibility, and respect. My older daughter is in first grade now, and the younger one is still in a crib, so I have a long road ahead of me.
you and boom are really good guys who think before you post..unlike the vast majority of libs on here...good discussion....too bad we can't have more like it...good luck in the parenting game...it ain't easy......mine are 41 and 36 going on 18 and 13:scream:....help me JESUS-ah
 

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you and boom are really good guys who think before you post..unlike the vast majority of libs on here...good discussion....too bad we can't have more like it...good luck in the parenting game...it ain't easy......mine are 41 and 36 going on 18 and 13:scream:....help me JESUS-ah

I'm with 'ya Snow Sled Baby...but so glad mine are on their own and paying their own way! They call me now and ask for "advice" instead of dollars $$$$$! [winking]

As for @mule_eer he's always good for rational thoughtful discussion and he remains one of my favorite posters just for his reasonable exchange of ideas. @Boomboom521 is also very intelligent, can be thoughtful at times, inspiring, and even eloquent, but I find him to be too emotional, insincere in his lack of partisanship disguised as objective thought, and extremely bigoted and biased especially against Christians.

However I agree with you they are two of the more rational Leftists on this board who at least reasonably make their arguments based on well supported positions and not just raw hatred.
 
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I'm with 'ya...but so glad mine are on their own and paying their own way! They call me now and ask for "advice" instead of dollars $$$$$! [winking]

As for @mule_eer he's always good for rational thoughtful discussion and he remains one of my favorite posters just for his reasonable exchange of ideas. @Boomboom521 is also very intelligent, can be thoughtful at times, inspiring, and even eloquent, but I find him to be too emotional, insincere in his lack of partisanship disguised as objective thought, and extremely bigoted and biased especially against Christians.

However I agree with you they are two of the more rational Leftists on this board who at least reasonably make their arguments based on well supported positions and not just raw hatred.
unfortunately my "advice" usually has a dollar sign attached to it in some form...
 

atlkvb

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unfortunately my "advice" usually has a dollar sign attached to it in some form...

Been there and done that Snow Sled Baby. I told one of 'em I'd start "charging" for my "free" advice :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 

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Bullcrap. Put the car in park, turn it off, put both hands on top of the steering wheel, yes sir, no sir, and follow every command.

Right. Just like Philandro Castile.

Anyways OT...why do we have a Black Entertainment Channel?
 

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Right. Just like Philandro Castile.

Anyways OT...why do we have a Black Entertainment Channel?

He didn't. He told him about the firearm after the command to get his DL. Directly after that, the officer said do not reach for it.

Better answer: Keep your hands on the wheel until after you inform the officer of your firearm, then follow instructions to the letter. Don't be moving around and say, "Oh by the way, I have a gun".
 

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He didn't. He told him about the firearm after the command to get his DL. Directly after that, the officer said do not reach for it.

Better answer: Keep your hands on the wheel until after you inform the officer of your firearm, then follow instructions to the letter. Don't be moving around and say, "Oh by the way, I have a gun".

Good advice creamy white male.
 
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He didn't. He told him about the firearm after the command to get his DL. Directly after that, the officer said do not reach for it.

Better answer: Keep your hands on the wheel until after you inform the officer of your firearm, then follow instructions to the letter. Don't be moving around and say, "Oh by the way, I have a gun".

Either you are extremely naive or you condone and dismiss the fact that their are LEOs who want any excuse to kill a black man.
 

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Either you are extremely naive or you condone and dismiss the fact that their are LEOs who want any excuse to kill a black man.

I'm not the niave one here. I know that officer is going to go home that night come Hell or high water. If I, with any action, look like I am reaching for a weapon, or attack him, my life is in danger. You could be a blue skinned Martian, and the same applies.
 

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Are those cross referenced against percentages of violent crime? Because when you apply your stats in the context of crime, you lose this argument.
Are you saying that the white people shot by officers were less likely to be committing a violent crime when shot?
 
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White privilege: Getting mad on an internet message board an inferring that a black man you are debating is the house negro from Django because he has different political opinions.

1) I’m not mad.

2) I’m not debating any black man.

3) Pointing our that a black man voting for white racists is voting against his own interest isn’t being racist.
 

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Are you saying that the white people shot by officers were less likely to be committing a violent crime when shot?
I’m saying more white people are killed by cops. Period.

I’m also saying by percentage of population more blacks are killed by cops. I’m also saying by relative racial demographic percentage, black males are more likely to commit crimes thus having more interaction with cops thus equalizing out and negatively impacting the relative population percentage.

You have to look at the whole picture, not the emotional racially charged picture. As I said statistics aren’t in your favor on this one. This isn’t even counting the behavior towards police during these interactions, and an entire culture of glorifying violence and lawless behavior pervasive within the overwhelmingly predominant hip hop culture.

None of that excuses accidental shootings, each one should be investigated thoroughly and if applicable prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. With that said, when faced with arrest, show some ******* deference to the man with the gun or put more simply, use some common sense and forego your rep and street cred. I yes sir and no sir the **** out of cops when pulled over. I’ve also been in a vehicle where one of my minority friends didn’t behave appropriately and I was quickly on my face with a pistol drawn.

I also can draw a direct correlation to circumstances in the military when interacting with the local populace in Iraq. Luckily, during my interactions and because of their culture, they were very passive, but that didn’t stop me from having my rifle at the ready if they twitched wrong. Bottom line, I wanted to go home alive similar to these cops.
 

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because it involves only people of one race...in order to make it totally fair let's have one with some hispanic folks, and , yes, some white folks too. Unless you are living with your head in the sand you have to realize that there are places where the same things that happened in that ad happen to white people......take a stroll thru sections of Richmond, or DC, or NYC, or Chicago......racism exists in all parts of our society....why doesn't someone ever bring up the tension between blacks and hispanics...it sure exists around here where I live because of jobs
When I lived in WV ( I lived in St Albans) I had a white neighbor that worked at DuPont,he always refered to my family as (you people) SOB that shhit pissed me off big time!!! AND I'M WHITE!!! He was a certified POS,if he wasn't so damn old at the time,I would've stomped a mud hole in his *** and walked it dry. He was a lush and incredible loser. IJS