Putin's puppet goes off the reservation

TarHeelEer

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Well Bama, is it this:

This is essentially an economic sanction and we currently have no reason for doing so.

Or these:

Theresa May says otherwise. Pretty obvious none of our allies gives a rat's *** what Fat Biff says or does. Winning.

Theresa May has launched her strongest attack on Russia yet, accusing Moscow of meddling in elections and carrying out cyber espionage...]


You can’t ignore Russia, especially Putin’s hatred of Hillary. There is a Montana-sized motive here.

Exactly. Obama sanctioned Russia for meddling and Biff is just looking for an opportunity to lift them. He looks so freaking guilty.

It's nuts. Anti globalism is Russia and Cuba.

Nobody has forgotten about Russia.
 

WVUCOOPER

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As I alluded in other posts in this thread, we should take legal action against them if they did something illegal. We haven't.
Take them to Judge Judy? Pffffffftttt. Strong sanctions is the way to go. Our allies should join us.
 

Airport

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This a matter between Germany and Russia. It does seem odd to depend on getting a major portion of your nat gas supply from someone perceived as an adversary but Germany's nat gas supply needs to come from somewhere. Trump wants to be friends with Russia so perhaps we are punishing them all that we need to right now with existing sanctions.
You guys just can't see that Trumps says things just to get a rise out of the left. If he wants to be friends, why is he advocating that Germany reconsider bolstering russia's economy vs buying it's gas from an ally?
 

moe

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You guys just can't see that Trumps says things just to get a rise out of the left. If he wants to be friends, why is he advocating that Germany reconsider bolstering russia's economy vs buying it's gas from an ally?
Trump lies a lot. Since he lies a lot he can't be believed on anything. Trump spews so much nonsense, it's hard to tell what he understands and what he doesn't. Due to that I just assume that he doesn't understand nearly any issue that he speaks on. Imo he's dangerously incompetent and the U.S. can't get a competent president from either party in there quickly enough. The only thing I'm certain of is that he wants to use the presidency to enrich himself and his family.
 

bamaEER

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Take them to Judge Judy? Pffffffftttt. Strong sanctions is the way to go. Our allies should join us.
My point is we need to be clear and transparent with any actions against Russia with specific actions and penalties. Biff's beef against Nord Stream stinks of ulterior motives.
 

dave

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Trump lies a lot. Since he lies a lot he can't be believed on anything. Trump spews so much nonsense, it's hard to tell what he understands and what he doesn't. Due to that I just assume that he doesn't understand nearly any issue that he speaks on. Imo he's dangerously incompetent and the U.S. can't get a competent president from either party in there quickly enough. The only thing I'm certain of is that he wants to use the presidency to enrich himself and his family.
Thanks for your incredibly biased opinion. Now go sit in the losers corner and cry some more.
 

Airport

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Trump lies a lot. Since he lies a lot he can't be believed on anything. Trump spews so much nonsense, it's hard to tell what he understands and what he doesn't. Due to that I just assume that he doesn't understand nearly any issue that he speaks on. Imo he's dangerously incompetent and the U.S. can't get a competent president from either party in there quickly enough. The only thing I'm certain of is that he wants to use the presidency to enrich himself and his family.
Liberals lie. You can't take of yourself so we will. If you like your doctor, BLM is a lie, everything about liberalism is a lie.
 

Airport

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My point is we need to be clear and transparent with any actions against Russia with specific actions and penalties. Biff's beef against Nord Stream stinks of ulterior motives.
You are 100% right, his ulterior motives are to benefit the United States, something that you liberals have railed against for the last 20 years.
 

moe

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Liberals lie. You can't take of yourself so we will. If you like your doctor, BLM is a lie, everything about liberalism is a lie.
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're unhinged and posting gibberish now, take the rest of the day off.
 

WVUCOOPER

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My point is we need to be clear and transparent with any actions against Russia with specific actions and penalties. Biff's beef against Nord Stream stinks of ulterior motives.
I think hitting their gas revenues for Ukraine, England poisonings and their meddling in Western democracies is pretty clear and transparent.
 

Airport

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I have no idea what you're talking about. You're unhinged and posting gibberish now, take the rest of the day off.
Just pointing out that the only people who have put anything into law that are lies are liberals.
 

Keyser76

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You are 100% right, his ulterior motives are to benefit the United States, something that you liberals have railed against for the last 20 years.
What better way to benefit us than to trash our allies and talk up our enemies, do you rubes even care if you know what you are talking about anymore? You sound like Eltons organ, lol.
 

moe

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You are 100% right, his ulterior motives are to benefit the United States, something that you liberals have railed against for the last 20 years.
Why do you believe in Trump? Trump is anti-American and wants to destroy our nation. If the U.S. was for it before Trump, then Trump is against it now. He wants to get rid of all of our allies and alliances, longstanding allies who have helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq and with other matters. When Trump is done trying to destroy everything the U.S. has accomplished since WWII, it may take decades to restore the U.S. standing in the world and reestablish trust with our allies.
 

Airport

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What better way to benefit us than to trash our allies and talk up our enemies, do you rubes even care if you know what you are talking about anymore? You sound like Eltons organ, lol.
I personally don't like how he has talked publicly, he should keep some private and then bring them up. If that doesn't work, then it's a whole new ball game
 

moe

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Just pointing out that the only people who have put anything into law that are lies are liberals.
What are you even talking about? maybe a mental health facility would be good for you or take some time off and do some caving in Thailand.
 

dave

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My point is we need to be clear and transparent with any actions against Russia with specific actions and penalties. Biff's beef against Nord Stream stinks of ulterior motives.
I missed your similar stance under previous admins. I would hate to think your partisanship would cause you to apply a double standard.
 

Airport

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Why do you believe in Trump? Trump is anti-American and wants to destroy our nation. If the U.S. was for it before Trump, then Trump is against it now. He wants to get rid of all of our allies and alliances, longstanding allies who have helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq and with other matters. When Trump is done trying to destroy everything the U.S. has accomplished since WWII, it may take decades to restore the U.S. standing in the world and reestablish trust with our allies.
We have been taken advantage of for way too long. Both parties are guilty of this. Helping us, you mean like Pakistan who keeps the Taliban in business? Things change, Russia isn't the threat it once was, why do we need to keep a huge force in Europe? Things change, couldn't some of this money be used here at home? If Germany wants to buy gas from Russia, maybe it needs to foot more of the cost of NATO.
 

Airport

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What are you even talking about? maybe a mental health facility would be good for you or take some time off and do some caving in Thailand.
Maybe you should go the steam baths in San Francisco so you can make new friends.
 

WVUCOOPER

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We have been taken advantage of for way too long. Both parties are guilty of this. Helping us, you mean like Pakistan who keeps the Taliban in business? Things change, Russia isn't the threat it once was, why do we need to keep a huge force in Europe? Things change, couldn't some of this money be used here at home? If Germany wants to buy gas from Russia, maybe it needs to foot more of the cost of NATO.
You think the Pentagon and defense contractors are OK with us abandoning Europe? Good luck.
 

moe

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You think the Pentagon and defense contractors are OK with us abandoning Europe? Good luck.
Go easy on him, he's a simple man like the so called prez. They don't do their homework and they don't understand the issues, bless their hearts.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Why do you believe in Trump? Trump is anti-American and wants to destroy our nation. If the U.S. was for it before Trump, then Trump is against it now. He wants to get rid of all of our allies and alliances, longstanding allies who have helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq and with other matters. When Trump is done trying to destroy everything the U.S. has accomplished since WWII, it may take decades to restore the U.S. standing in the world and reestablish trust with our allies.
You’ve lost your damn mind. He is doing exactly what he ran on. He is shaking up the status quo. There is nothing the man is doing that doesn’t have the US’s best interests at the forefront.

We can talk how the trade wars are potentially going to negatively impact us in the short term, but if they equate to better bilateral agreement in the long term, it will be better. They cause a big damn problem in the interim but he isn’t looking at the quarterly or semi-annual impacts. He’s looking long term and while some businesses will be negatively impacted as will consumers, supposing we come out on top with better trade deals, the country will be better positioned in the long term.

You talk about wanting to get rid of allies and yet completely gloss over US/Cuba and 60 years of policy being reversed by Obama. You leave out the part where Obama put the Middle East in chaos with his stupid fvcking Iran initiative and its isolation of our traditional allies in the ME. You left out the part where Obama all but turned his back on Israel. You leave out where under Obama, Russia was running loose at will and he did nothing.

Yet, Trump on the other hand is busting their *** with sanctions and military development, arming Ukraine, killing several hundred of them in Syria, advocating through a position of strength for a greater financial commitment of NATO which Russia doesn’t want, attacking their Natural Gas industry, and busting Iran’s *** which is a very large consumer of Russian military tech.

Let me ask you this? Do you think the EU was designed with the betterment of US policy in mind? Hell no. It was a conglomerate established to compete with us. Do you think the EU countries were just going voluntarily renegotiate trade deals for our betterment and their detriment? If you think that, I’ve got some land to sell you.

In the event Russia came threatening to our allies, who do you think the first call would be to? China? No, they’re calling us. Nothing has changed with our allies beyond us leveraging our position of strength and offending their undeserving sense of superiority to us. They look at us with scorn because they each used to be world powers. France is used to having the UK kiss it’s ***. Germany is still smarting from the drubbing they took 70 years ago. The UK pissed away an empire that they still think they are. It’s all ego. They’re being told to go color in the corner, American exceptionalism is back. Shocker, they don’t like having to acknowledge we’re superior to them. So what? We going to elect another limp wristed candy *** that goes and caters to their ego at the expense of our economic prosperity? I hope to all hell that doesn’t happen.

You’re essentially wishing us to be the rich kid that people don’t really like, talk **** behind our back, and take full advantage of us. That was the US over the last 20 years. Those days are over with Trump and aside from our military getting back to what we do best it’s one of the things I’m most happy about. I wish the son of a ***** could do it with a little more class, but he doesn’t. Results are what I care about, not talk. We differ in that regard and many others on issues that matter. You all fawned all over St Barry the feckless as we pissed down our leg for 8 years militarily and economically on an international front and have the audacity to dare ***** about Trump restoring our place at the top?

Good lord.
 

WVUCOOPER

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You’ve lost your damn mind. He is doing exactly what he ran on. He is shaking up the status quo. There is nothing the man is doing that doesn’t have the US’s best interests at the forefront.

We can talk how the trade wars are potentially going to negatively impact us in the short term, but if they equate to better bilateral agreement in the long term, it will be better. They cause a big damn problem in the interim but he isn’t looking at the quarterly or semi-annual impacts. He’s looking long term and while some businesses will be negatively impacted as will consumers, supposing we come out on top with better trade deals, the country will be better positioned in the long term.

You talk about wanting to get rid of allies and yet completely gloss over US/Cuba and 60 years of policy being reversed by Obama. You leave out the part where Obama put the Middle East in chaos with his stupid fvcking Iran initiative and its isolation of our traditional allies in the ME. You left out the part where Obama all but turned his back on Israel. You leave out where under Obama, Russia was running loose at will and he did nothing.

Yet, Trump on the other hand is busting their *** with sanctions and military development, arming Ukraine, killing several hundred of them in Syria, advocating through a position of strength for a greater financial commitment of NATO which Russia doesn’t want, attacking their Natural Gas industry, and busting Iran’s *** which is a very large consumer of Russian military tech.

Let me ask you this? Do you think the EU was designed with the betterment of US policy in mind? Hell no. It was a conglomerate established to compete with us. Do you think the EU countries were just going voluntarily renegotiate trade deals for our betterment and their detriment? If you think that, I’ve got some land to sell you.

In the event Russia came threatening to our allies, who do you think the first call would be to? China? No, they’re calling us. Nothing has changed with our allies beyond us leveraging our position of strength and offending their undeserving sense of superiority to us. They look at us with scorn because they each used to be world powers. France is used to having the UK kiss it’s ***. Germany is still smarting from the drubbing they took 70 years ago. The UK pissed away an empire that they still think they are. It’s all ego. They’re being told to go color in the corner, American exceptionalism is back. Shocker, they don’t like having to acknowledge we’re superior to them. So what? We going to elect another limp wristed candy *** that goes and caters to their ego at the expense of our economic prosperity? I hope to all hell that doesn’t happen.

You’re essentially wishing us to be the rich kid that people don’t really like, talk **** behind our back, and take full advantage of us. That was the US over the last 20 years. Those days are over with Trump and aside from our military getting back to what we do best it’s one of the things I’m most happy about. I wish the son of a ***** could do it with a little more class, but he doesn’t. Results are what I care about, not talk. We differ in that regard and many others on issues that matter. You all fawned all over St Barry the feckless as we pissed down our leg for 8 years militarily and economically on an international front and have the audacity to dare ***** about Trump restoring our place at the top?

Good lord.
 

Airport

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You think the Pentagon and defense contractors are OK with us abandoning Europe? Good luck.
Never said they would. I prefer things the way they should be, not the way they are. Liberals wanted this for decades.
 

Airport

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You’ve lost your damn mind. He is doing exactly what he ran on. He is shaking up the status quo. There is nothing the man is doing that doesn’t have the US’s best interests at the forefront.

We can talk how the trade wars are potentially going to negatively impact us in the short term, but if they equate to better bilateral agreement in the long term, it will be better. They cause a big damn problem in the interim but he isn’t looking at the quarterly or semi-annual impacts. He’s looking long term and while some businesses will be negatively impacted as will consumers, supposing we come out on top with better trade deals, the country will be better positioned in the long term.

You talk about wanting to get rid of allies and yet completely gloss over US/Cuba and 60 years of policy being reversed by Obama. You leave out the part where Obama put the Middle East in chaos with his stupid fvcking Iran initiative and its isolation of our traditional allies in the ME. You left out the part where Obama all but turned his back on Israel. You leave out where under Obama, Russia was running loose at will and he did nothing.

Yet, Trump on the other hand is busting their *** with sanctions and military development, arming Ukraine, killing several hundred of them in Syria, advocating through a position of strength for a greater financial commitment of NATO which Russia doesn’t want, attacking their Natural Gas industry, and busting Iran’s *** which is a very large consumer of Russian military tech.

Let me ask you this? Do you think the EU was designed with the betterment of US policy in mind? Hell no. It was a conglomerate established to compete with us. Do you think the EU countries were just going voluntarily renegotiate trade deals for our betterment and their detriment? If you think that, I’ve got some land to sell you.

In the event Russia came threatening to our allies, who do you think the first call would be to? China? No, they’re calling us. Nothing has changed with our allies beyond us leveraging our position of strength and offending their undeserving sense of superiority to us. They look at us with scorn because they each used to be world powers. France is used to having the UK kiss it’s ***. Germany is still smarting from the drubbing they took 70 years ago. The UK pissed away an empire that they still think they are. It’s all ego. They’re being told to go color in the corner, American exceptionalism is back. Shocker, they don’t like having to acknowledge we’re superior to them. So what? We going to elect another limp wristed candy *** that goes and caters to their ego at the expense of our economic prosperity? I hope to all hell that doesn’t happen.

You’re essentially wishing us to be the rich kid that people don’t really like, talk **** behind our back, and take full advantage of us. That was the US over the last 20 years. Those days are over with Trump and aside from our military getting back to what we do best it’s one of the things I’m most happy about. I wish the son of a ***** could do it with a little more class, but he doesn’t. Results are what I care about, not talk. We differ in that regard and many others on issues that matter. You all fawned all over St Barry the feckless as we pissed down our leg for 8 years militarily and economically on an international front and have the audacity to dare ***** about Trump restoring our place at the top?

Good lord.

You should be a speech writer for trump. Preach it brother! Never has a country allowed itself to be abused by a bunch of pansies as we have.
 

Airport

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Go easy on him, he's a simple man like the so called prez. They don't do their homework and they don't understand the issues, bless their hearts.
I have a moral compass that allows me to know right from wrong. Liberals don't.
 

WVUCOOPER

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You should be a speech writer for trump. Preach it brother! Never has a country allowed itself to be abused by a bunch of pansies as we have.
"And so HE sacrificed HIS farmers, laborers and exporters for the future good of farmers, laborers and exporters; despite evidence from academics, economists and haters, HE knew HIS gut instincts were true." DvlDog 3:04, Book of Trump
 

Airport

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"And so HE sacrificed HIS farmers, laborers and exporters for the future good of farmers, laborers and exporters; despite evidence from academics, economists and haters, HE knew HIS gut instincts were true." DvlDog 3:04, Book of Trump
You liberals care nothig about farmers, laborers, common man, you only care about big government and getting more people on welfare. Moe2.0 Book of Alinsky
 

WVUCOOPER

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You liberals care nothig about farmers, laborers, common man, you only care about big government and getting more people on welfare. Moe2.0 Book of Alinsky
Your sad, old man routine is getting boring. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZzzz