Double standard

[Boomboom521]

Two events closest to me:

• City counsel didn't allow us to hold a concert on public grounds that they allowed other groups to do the same. We went to two meetings to protest, I even spoke, but they still denied.
• Local high school football coach I know well was fired because of prayer after practice, etc. They knew what they were getting. He is also a youth pastor.

Legitimate points on both. Thank you for making the debate and discourse make sense THE. Both circumstances, imo, are examples of extreme action. Prayer in schools I would fight against....but if a coach chooses to make a team prayer voluntary, I have no problem with it. Christian concerts in public space are no different than any other group preforming, and it shouldn’t be restricted. Only restrictions should be made in government sponsored events or displays, imo.

When the narrative gets fused into a general battle, we lose sight of common ground.

 

[Boomboom521]

Thanks for proving my point to perfection. You don’t even want to understand their position.

Bullsh1t! The position you’re advocating is that their spiritual beliefs should dictate mine.

 

[atlkvb]

Legitimate points on both. Thank you for making the debate and discourse make sense THE. Both circumstances, imo, are examples of extreme action. Prayer in schools I would fight against....but if a coach chooses to make a team prayer voluntary, I have no problem with it. Christian concerts in public space are no different than any other group preforming, and it shouldn’t be restricted. Only restrictions should be made in government sponsored events or displays, imo.

When the narrative gets fused into a general battle, we lose sight of common ground.

Where is Faith or Prayer restricted in government operations constitutionally?

And you demanded proof where Christians are either persecuted or denied their free access to practice what they believe and many examples were given to you yet you can't refute one of them to backup your statement.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

What “whole narrative” is designed to paint them in a negative light?

You really don’t understand?

Are you fvcking serious with this ********?

Oh, and the fact you came back with the “Christian Extremist” defense. Hahahaha that’s like comparing a sneeze to the Black Death. It’s a laughable comparison and anyone that uses it should be shame belled.

 

[atlkvb]

Bullsh1t! The position you’re advocating is that their spiritual beliefs should dictate mine.

You are arguing their spiritual beliefs have no place inside of government.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Legitimate points on both. Thank you for making the debate and discourse make sense THE. Both circumstances, imo, are examples of extreme action. Prayer in schools I would fight against....but if a coach chooses to make a team prayer voluntary, I have no problem with it. Christian concerts in public space are no different than any other group preforming, and it shouldn’t be restricted. Only restrictions should be made in government sponsored events or displays, imo.

When the narrative gets fused into a general battle, we lose sight of common ground.

That's just *my* macro. Devil pointed out much of the micro. There is a war between secular humanism and Christianity. Why secular humanism sides with Islam is beyond my comprehension.

 

[atlkvb]

You really don’t understand?


Oh, and the fact you came back with the “Christian Extremist” defense. Hahahaha that’s like comparing a sneeze to the Black Death. It’s a laughable comparison and anyone that uses it should be shame belled.

Those who practice bigotry usually cannot see it, those who are bigots usually deny it.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Bullsh1t! The position you’re advocating is that their spiritual beliefs should dictate mine.

The counter is also true. Your lack of spiritual beliefs infringes on their religious liberty.

Again, I’m trying to answer your question. You seemed to not understand why you all created Trump and why you’re outright hated by many on the right. You all have shoved their noses in **** for 10 years and gotten away without so much as public debate because progressive media went right along with it. You advocate for common ground and compromise, how is that possible when you’re so oblivious to your offenses? You couldn’t even begin to understand what compromise looks like. You all deluded yourselves into believing there was compromise over the last 25 years, it wasn’t. It was the right giving inch by inch every time. You thought that was compromise.

Now enter The Donald. You get nothing. You’re forced to give inch by inch. He’s holding the line of the right, no budging. You all are wailing and pissing yourselves with seething anger and it’s only been 2 years. Welcome to 95. 23 more years to go to catch up to where the right is.

 

[atlkvb]

The counter is also true. Your lack of spiritual beliefs infringes on their religious liberty.

Again, I’m trying to answer your question. You seemed to not understand why you all created Trump and why you’re outright hated by many on the right. You all have shoved their noses in **** for 10 years and gotten away without so much as public debate because progressive media went right along with it. You advocate for common ground and compromise, how is that possible when you’re so oblivious to your offenses? You couldn’t ekay:ven begin to understand what compromise looks like. You all deluded yourselves into believing there was compromise over the last 25 years, it wasn’t. It was the right giving inch by inch every time. You thought that was compromise.

Now enter The Donald. You get nothing. You’re forced to give inch by inch. He’s holding the line of the right, no budging. You all are wailing and pissing yourselves with seething anger and it’s only been 2 years. Welcome to 95. 23 more years to go to catch up to where the right is.

when you see Perfection you just sit down or step aside and let it stand. That post could not have been said any better or any clearer and I won't even try.kay:

 

[Boomboom521]

Where is Faith or Prayer restricted in government operations constitutionally?

And you demanded proof where Christians are either persecuted or denied their free access to practice what they believe and many examples were given to you yet you can't refute one of them to backup your statement.

Not one of those examples prevents a Christian from choosing to practice their own spiritual beliefs in their lives do they?

Name one. Other than the gay wedding cake thing - and even that can be argued on both sides.

A Christian can choose to not use birth control, even if it’s covered by government funds.

Christianity - Christmas - Easter not being celebrated in public spaces doesn’t prevent the celebration in general.

A Christian isn’t forced to become transgendered are they?

Preventing a child from praying in school doesn’t prevent that child from praying at home does it?

I don’t agree with forcing a company to make a wedding cake if they choose not to take the commission. Just like I don’t think Chic Fli A should be forced to open on Sundays, even though I nearly punch the wall often on Sunday morning realizing I can’t get a chicken biscuit breakfast

 

[TarHeelEer]

I don’t agree with forcing a company to make a wedding cake if they choose not to take the commission.

SCOTUS barely agrees with you. Thanks be to Trump!

 

[Boomboom521]

The counter is also true. Your lack of spiritual beliefs infringes on their religious liberty.

Again, I’m trying to answer your question. You seemed to not understand why you all created Trump and why you’re outright hated by many on the right. You all have shoved their noses in **** for 10 years and gotten away without so much as public debate because progressive media went right along with it. You advocate for common ground and compromise, how is that possible when you’re so oblivious to your offenses? You couldn’t even begin to understand what compromise looks like. You all deluded yourselves into believing there was compromise over the last 25 years, it wasn’t. It was the right giving inch by inch every time. You thought that was compromise.

Now enter The Donald. You get nothing. You’re forced to give inch by inch. He’s holding the line of the right, no budging. You all are wailing and pissing yourselves with seething anger and it’s only been 2 years. Welcome to 95. 23 more years to go to catch up to where the right is.

Hate to tell you this but-

Compromise actually does consist of giving up something, otherwise wtf are we talking about?

And I don’t have a LACK of spiritual beliefs, my beliefs are different than the religious rights in some ways.

You are choosing to fuse together some very broad groups of people in your aggressive posts.

Remember, this whole exchange got kicked up by the board’s most aggressive poster attacking me for my beliefs unsolicited.

Just because the left started to fight back, doesn’t mean the right is being persecuted.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Not one of those examples prevents a Christian from choosing to practice their own spiritual beliefs in their lives do they?

Name one. Other than the gay wedding cake thing - and even that can be argued on both sides.

A Christian can choose to not use birth control, even if it’s covered by government funds.

Christianity - Christmas - Easter not being celebrated in public spaces doesn’t prevent the celebration in general.

A Christian isn’t forced to become transgendered are they?

Preventing a child from praying in school doesn’t prevent that child from praying at home does it?

I don’t agree with forcing a company to make a wedding cake if they choose not to take the commission. Just like I don’t think Chic Fli A should be forced to open on Sundays, even though I nearly punch the wall often on Sunday morning realizing I can’t get a chicken biscuit breakfast

Hate to tell you this but-

Compromise actually does consist of giving up something, otherwise wtf are we talking about?

And I don’t have a LACK of spiritual beliefs, my beliefs are different than the religious rights in some ways.

You are choosing to fuse together some very broad groups of people in your aggressive posts.

Remember, this whole exchange got kicked up by the board’s most aggressive poster attacking me for my beliefs unsolicited.

Just because the left started to fight back, doesn’t mean the right is being persecuted.

You asked, I answered. Look how easy it was for you to Leftsplain what another group, arguably completely opposite of yourself believes and thinks. You have the answer for them. Hahahaha people have the nerve to say I’M arrogant.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Not one of those examples prevents a Christian from choosing to practice their own spiritual beliefs in their lives do they?

Like I said, scoff.

 

[atlkvb]

Hate to tell you this but-

Compromise actually does consist of giving up something, otherwise wtf are we talking about?

And I don’t have a LACK of spiritual beliefs, my beliefs are different than the religious rights in some ways.

You are choosing to fuse together some very broad groups of people in your aggressive posts.

Remember, this whole exchange got kicked up by the board’s most aggressive poster attacking me for my beliefs unsolicited.

Just because the left started to fight back, doesn’t mean the right is being persecuted.

You still can not show me in the Constitution where Prayer or Faith is restricted from Government and by your own admission you want both out of it. Nothing stops you from non belief, yet you and your friends on the Left want Christians to keep their Faith to themselves and out of Government also if you are brutally honest...out of the culture too!

 

[TarHeelEer]

Just because the left started to fight back, doesn’t mean the right is being persecuted.

LOL

 

[Boomboom521]

You asked, I answered. Look how easy it was for you to Leftsplain what another group, arguably completely opposite of yourself believes and thinks. You have the answer for them. Hahahaha people have the nerve to say I’M arrogant.

I do, when it comes to individual rights. All of those examples are Christians trying to enforce their beliefs into others in the life decisions. Espousing the US is founded on Judeo-Christian law argument. You defend it, because you don’t like the left— don’t act like there is some principle behind your Bullsh1t today. You can’t stand liberal thinking, simple as that. For someone preaching humility, you sure show none at all yourself.

 

[Boomboom521]

You still can not show me in the Constitution where Prayer or Faith is restricted from Government and by your own admission you want both out of it. Nothing stops you from non belief, yet you and your friends on the Left want Christians to keep their Faith to themselves and out of Government also if you are brutally honest...out of the culture too!

So my children do what during prayer time? Why is it needed? Give me the reason for the need for school prayer.

 

[atlkvb]

Not one of those examples prevents a Christian from choosing to practice their own spiritual beliefs in their lives do they?

Name one. Other than the gay wedding cake thing - and even that can be argued on both sides.

A Christian can choose to not use birth control, even if it’s covered by government funds.

Christianity - Christmas - Easter not being celebrated in public spaces doesn’t prevent the celebration in general.

A Christian isn’t forced to become transgendered are they?

Preventing a child from praying in school doesn’t prevent that child from praying at home does it?

I don’t agree with forcing a company to make a wedding cake if they choose not to take the commission. Just like I don’t think Chic Fli A should be forced to open on Sundays, even though I nearly punch the wall often on Sunday morning realizing I can’t get a chicken biscuit breakfast

Why do Christians need to keep their Faith out of Government? You said that. Why?

Do we not have a right to believe, practice, even advocate similar to your right to disbelieve, not practice, or refuse to advocate...even promote secularism?

It's the arena of ideas is it not? Yet you don't want certain groups to participate. Why not?

 

[Boomboom521]

LOL

LOL all you want. It’s true. I want homosexuals to feel as comfortable in our society as anyone else, and that’s me attacking you? I want Muslim, Jewish and agnostic children to feel as comfortable in school as anyone else, and that’s me attacking you? I want science and medical research to have no religious restriction, and that’s me attacking you? I want our government to explore all options to improve public health and safety, and that’s me attacking you? I want people of any or no religion to feel connected to their towns and cities, and that’s me attacking you?

 

[atlkvb]

So my children do what during prayer time? Why is it needed? Give me the reason for the need for school prayer.

Because we are Free and allowed to do as we prefer legally. It is NOT restricted Constitutionally so why is it operationally?

Maybe if those kids were praying in public schools there wouldn't be as much as violence and disrespect for each other as a result of them not Praying for each other?

 

[Boomboom521]

Why do Christians need to keep their Faith out of Government? You said that. Why?

Do we not have a right to believe, practice, even advocate similar to your right to disbelieve, not practice, or refuse to advocate...even promote secularism?

It's the arena of ideas is it not? Yet you don't want certain groups to participate. Why not?

I think some of the greatest American political figures in our history were mostly religious - I don’t want laws created or rejected on a strictly religious argument.

 

[Boomboom521]

Because we are Free and allowed to do as we prefer legally. It is NOT restricted Constitutionally so why is it operationally?

Maybe if those kids were praying in public schools there wouldn't be as much as violence and disrespect for each other as a result of them not Praying for each other?

Ah.....and there it is.....you want prayer in public school so those children are taught your religion, because in your opinion THAT’s the answer. And yet you hide behind some bs argument that your not trying to force beliefs into anyone else? Bullsh1t THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TRYING TO DO.

 

[atlkvb]

So my children do what during prayer time? Why is it needed? Give me the reason for the need for school prayer.

So only Christian kids need to feel ostracized for openly practicing their Faith.

Earth day...everyone is welcome to participate. But we can't even say Merry Christmas?

 

[TarHeelEer]

I do, when it comes to individual rights. All of those examples are Christians trying to enforce their beliefs into others in the life decisions. Espousing the US is founded on Judeo-Christian law argument. You defend it, because you don’t like the left— don’t act like there is some principle behind your Bullsh1t today. You can’t stand liberal thinking, simple as that. For someone preaching humility, you sure show none at all yourself.

Attempting to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions is certainly comfortable for Christians. I guess when the church said they'd shut down 1 in 6 hospitals, the government thought that might be a tad rash.

 

[atlkvb]

Ah.....and there it is.....you want prayer in public school so those children are taught your religion, because in your opinion THAT’s the answer. And yet you hide behind some bs argument that your not trying to force beliefs into anyone else? Bullsh1t THATS EXACTLY WHAT YOUR TRYING TO DO.

No you can disbelieve all you want but stop trying to prevent others from believing all they do! You want them to go off in a corner and sit down and shut up and I want them advocating for their ideas in the open arena just like anyone else does.

Yes I happen to believe when their ideas are given a fair airing many people will find them to be beneficial both to how we live and treat each other. But you don't want them even participating.

 

[atlkvb]

I think some of the greatest American political figures in our history were mostly religious - I don’t want laws created or rejected on a strictly religious argument.

Well I have news for you this is a religious country and religious Doctrine permeates many of the laws that we live under.

I know you don't accept that but the reality is most of our laws are based in some moral construct of a Christian foundation.

 

[Boomboom521]

So only Christian kids need to feel ostracized for openly practicing their Faith.

Earth day...everyone is welcome to participate. But we can't even say Merry Christmas?

That’s a Frankenstein of a post there.

1) it’s Earth Day! Wtf? Schools are off for Christmas and Good Friday I’d im not mistaken?

2) Merry Christmas is fine by me....I don’t know how uncomfortable it makes some Jewish kids, or Muslim kids though. And I think anyone can say it if they want to can’t they? I’d think teachers should be a little more deliberate in their words.

3) I have no problem with Christian students openly practicing their faith - it’s when it’s led or required by teachers or administration that I have an issue with it

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

You defend it, because you don’t like the left— don’t act like there is some principle behind your Bullsh1t today.

I’m not defending it. I answered your question.

You can’t stand liberal thinking, simple as that.

Not true. I don’t mind liberal thinking or liberal ideology at all. It’s liberals I can’t stand. 2 very different things.

For someone preaching humility, you sure show none at all yourself.

I’ve never claimed to be humble. Anyone that knows me knows that to be true. I have the confidence of a man 6 inches taller and far more well endowed. I’m brutally direct, laser focused, and work analogies better than some artists work in paints and clay. I love to win but I hate to lose more than love to win. I have no mercy or compassion should someone choose to engage with me.

Humble? Hahaha I don’t speak the language of losing and compromise.

 

[Boomboom521]

Attempting to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions is certainly comfortable for Christians. I guess when the church said they'd shut down 1 in 6 hospitals, the government thought that might be a tad rash.

I don’t think government funds should be used for abortions, I don’t think any hospital should be forced to preform a procedure they don’t want to.

Extremism exists on both sides - I don’t advocate for ANYONE laying down for it at all.

 

[Boomboom521]

I’m not defending it. I answered your question.

Not true. I don’t mind liberal thinking or liberal ideology at all. It’s liberals I can’t stand. 2 very different things.

I’ve never claimed to be humble. Anyone that knows me knows that to be true. I have the confidence of a man 6 inches taller and far more well endowed. I’m brutally direct, laser focused, and work analogies better than some artists work in paints and clay. I love to win but I hate to lose more than love to win. I have no mercy or compassion should someone choose to engage with me.

Humble? Hahaha I don’t speak the language of losing and compromise.

Then stop acting like I should be. You don’t mind liberal thinking but hate liberals — and that type of statement should make sense to me? You said you have liberal friends, no?

 

[Boomboom521]

You really don’t understand?


Oh, and the fact you came back with the “Christian Extremist” defense. Hahahaha that’s like comparing a sneeze to the Black Death. It’s a laughable comparison and anyone that uses it should be shame belled.

There aren’t any Christian extremists then?

 

[atlkvb]

There aren’t any Christian extremists then?

Any Christian is "extreme" to a non believer.

 

[Boomboom521]

Any Christian is "extreme" to a non believer.

Not to me.

 

[atlkvb]

Not to me.

So you say.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Then stop acting like I should be. You don’t mind liberal thinking but hate liberals — and that type of statement should make sense to me? You said you have liberal friends, no?

Ok, I’ll step out of character now.

I don’t mind anyone except those opposed to capitalism. The only liberals that truly bother me are those emasculated little ***** men, and even them, I don’t hate, I just pity.

 

[mneilmont]

How life ain't always fair?

True, Hillary got more popular votes, but lost presidential election. Were you one of the libs screaming about the unfairness? Deep breath and move on. Enjoy your next 6.5 years. Or, are you going to offer us another guarantee? Life is full of choices. Why do you continue to make the wrong choice? But, life ain't fair.

 

[Boomboom521]

Ok, I’ll step out of character now.

I don’t mind anyone except those opposed to capitalism. The only liberals that truly bother me are those emasculated little ***** men, and even them, I don’t hate, I just pity.

That was out of character? Please tell me that wasn’t a shot at me because I stay at home? I might be a little *****, but I still gots my balls

 

[Boomboom521]

True, Hillary got more popular votes, but lost presidential election. Were you one of the libs screaming about the unfairness? Deep breath and move on. Enjoy your next 6.5 years. Or, are you going to offer us another guarantee? Life is full of choices. Why do you continue to make the wrong choice? But, life ain't fair.

I wasn’t

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

That was out of character? Please tell me that wasn’t a shot at me because I stay at home? I might be a little *****, but I still gots my balls

Wasn’t a shot at you at all. Well, do you drive a Prius or Lesbaru, wear slacks and a polo shirt, have one of those “peace” stickers that is made of all the religious symbols, have a “I’m with Her” bumper sticker, and prefer chardonnay to bourbon?

If that’s you, I don’t think it is, but if it is, ooof.