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West Virginia March Madness record


Bob Huggins is untouchable as the best WVU basketball coach in March Madness, up to the Sweet Sixteen level. He made it to the Final Four once.

Fred Schaus had four first-round losses before the 1959 run to the national title game with Jerry West that WVU barely lost to California. West became the only player on a non-title team to be named Final Four MVP.

George King, earlier the Morris Harvey coach, had two Sweet Sixteens and a first-round loss.

Bucky Waters had a first-round loss in his only March Madness appearance.

Gale Catlett had 1 Sweet Sixteen, three 2nd rounds and 4 first-round losses.

John Beilein has 1 Elite Eight and 1 Sweet Sixteen.

Bob Huggins had 4 Sweet Sixteens, 1 2nd round, 3 1st round losses.

Huggins has been to the Sweet Sixteen four times. Schaus once en route to Elite Eight and a national title game in the same year. King two Sweet Sixteens. Catlett 1 Sweet Sixteen. Beilein 2 Sweet Sixteens with 1 advancing to an Elite Eight.

So all the WVU coaches combined over a 62-year period have been to the Sweet Sixteen six times to Huggins’ 4 in 8 seasons (HALF his WVU career).

Only Schaus and Beilein have been to the Elite Eight with WVU. Huggins has never advanced beyond the Sweet Sixteen.

WVU did not make March Madness from 1968 through 1981.




Year


Round



Opponent



Result/Score



1955

Fred Schaus


First Round



LaSalle



L 61–95



1956


First Round



Dartmouth



L 59–61 OT



1957


First Round



Canisius



L 56–64



1958


First Round



Manhattan



L 84–89



1959


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four
National Championship Game



Dartmouth
Saint Joseph's
Boston University
Louisville
California



W 82–68
W 95–92
W 86–82
W 94–79
L 70–71



1960

George King


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Navy
NYU
Saint Joseph's



W 94–86
L 81–82 OT
W 106–100



1962


First Round



Villanova



L 75–90



1963


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Connecticut
Saint Joseph's
NYU



W 77–71
L 88–97
W 83–73



1965

Bucky Waters


First Round



Providence



L 67–91



1967


First Round



Princeton



L 59–68



1982

Catlett


First Round
Second Round



North Carolina A&T
Fresno State



W 62–53
L 56–97



1983


First Round



James Madison



L 50–57



1984


First Round
Second Round



Oregon State
Maryland



W 64–62
L 77–102



1986


First Round



Old Dominion



L 64–72



1987


First Round



Western Kentucky



L 62–64



1989


First Round
Second Round



Tennessee
Duke



W 84–68
L 63–70



1992


First Round



Missouri



L 78–89



1998


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Temple
Cincinnati
Utah



W 82–52
W 75–74
L 62–65



2005

Beilein



First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight



Creighton
Wake Forest
Texas Tech
Louisville



W 63–61
W 111–105 2OT
W 65–60
L 75–83 OT



2006


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Southern Illinois
Northwestern State
Texas



W 64–46
W 67–54
L 71–74



2008

Huggins


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Arizona
Duke
Xavier



W 75–65
W 73–67
L 75–79 OT



2009


First Round



Dayton



L 60–68



2010


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four



Morgan State
Missouri
Washington
Kentucky
Duke



W 77–50
W 68–59
W 69–56
W 73–66
L 57–78



2011


First Round
Second Round



Clemson
Kentucky



W 84–76
L 63–71



2012


First Round



Gonzaga



L 54–77



2015


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Buffalo
Maryland
Kentucky



W 68–62
W 69–59
L 39–78



2016


First Round



Stephen F. Austin



L 56–70



2017


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Bucknell
Notre Dame
Gonzaga



W 86–80
W 83–71
L 58–61







West Virginia head coaches:
Coach


Tenure


Record


CT


TA


NC


Bob Huggins


2007-Pres



253-129



0



9



0



John Beilein


2002-07



104-60



0



2



0



Gale Catlett



1978-2002



439-276



3



8



0



Joedy Gardner



1974-78



59-53



1



0



0



Sonny Moran



1969-74



57-68






0



0



Bucky Waters



1965-69



69-41



1



1



0



George King



1960-65



102-43



3



3



0



Fred Schaus



1954-60



146-37



5



6



0



Red Brown



1950-54



72-31



1



0



0



Lee Patton



1945-50



91-26






0



0



John Brickels



1944-45



12-6






0



0



Harry Lothes



1943-44



8-11






0



0



Rudy Baric



1942-43



14-7






0



0



Dyke Raese



1938-42



55-29



0



0



0



Marshall Glenn



1933-38



61-46



1









Francis Stadsvold



1919-33



149-133












H.P. Mullenex



1917-19



12-21












George Pyle



1914-17



29-25












James Jenkins



1907-08



3-7












Anthony Chez



1904-07



15-21












John Purinton



1903-04



4-3









 
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Coolridge69Vette

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You kind of contradicted yourself by saying Huggins made it to the Final 4 and then said Huggins has never made it past the Sweet 16.......
 

eers-to-ya

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Comes a time when a family must decide whether to take away the car keys. Maybe the same should apply to the keyboard.
 

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Talking to yourself is unhealthy. Cuyahoga says to...talmadgeer...to eers to ya...and then responds to himself. wow.
 
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Rootmaster

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Hey Cuyahoga...we mere mortals would like to know why when you post your Google research on another forum as tamadgeer you don't use your bold, big red print letters? Really this is a sincere question which is easily within your professional writer's toolbox scope of response. So?
 

WVUALLEN

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West Virginia March Madness record


Bob Huggins is untouchable as the best WVU basketball coach in March Madness, up to the Sweet Sixteen level. He made it to the Final Four once.

Fred Schaus had four first-round losses before the 1959 run to the national title game with Jerry West that WVU barely lost to California. West became the only player on a non-title team to be named Final Four MVP.

George King, earlier the Morris Harvey coach, had two Sweet Sixteens and a first-round loss.

Bucky Waters had a first-round loss in his only March Madness appearance.

Gale Catlett had 1 Sweet Sixteen, three 2nd rounds and 4 first-round losses.

John Beilein has 1 Elite Eight and 1 Sweet Sixteen.

Bob Huggins had 4 Sweet Sixteens, 1 2nd round, 3 1st round losses.

Huggins has been to the Sweet Sixteen four times. Schaus once en route to Elite Eight and a national title game in the same year. King two Sweet Sixteens. Catlett 1 Sweet Sixteen. Beilein 2 Sweet Sixteens with 1 advancing to an Elite Eight.

So all the WVU coaches combined over a 62-year period have been to the Sweet Sixteen six times to Huggins’ 4 in 8 seasons (HALF his WVU career).

Only Schaus and Beilein have been to the Elite Eight with WVU. Huggins has never advanced beyond the Sweet Sixteen.

WVU did not make March Madness from 1968 through 1981.




Year


Round



Opponent



Result/Score



1955

Fred Schaus


First Round



LaSalle



L 61–95



1956


First Round



Dartmouth



L 59–61 OT



1957


First Round



Canisius



L 56–64



1958


First Round



Manhattan



L 84–89



1959


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four
National Championship Game



Dartmouth
Saint Joseph's
Boston University
Louisville
California



W 82–68
W 95–92
W 86–82
W 94–79
L 70–71



1960

George King


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Navy
NYU
Saint Joseph's



W 94–86
L 81–82 OT
W 106–100



1962


First Round



Villanova



L 75–90



1963


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Connecticut
Saint Joseph's
NYU



W 77–71
L 88–97
W 83–73



1965

Bucky Waters


First Round



Providence



L 67–91



1967


First Round



Princeton



L 59–68



1982

Catlett


First Round
Second Round



North Carolina A&T
Fresno State



W 62–53
L 56–97



1983


First Round



James Madison



L 50–57



1984


First Round
Second Round



Oregon State
Maryland



W 64–62
L 77–102



1986


First Round



Old Dominion



L 64–72



1987


First Round



Western Kentucky



L 62–64



1989


First Round
Second Round



Tennessee
Duke



W 84–68
L 63–70



1992


First Round



Missouri



L 78–89



1998


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Temple
Cincinnati
Utah



W 82–52
W 75–74
L 62–65



2005

Beilein



First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight



Creighton
Wake Forest
Texas Tech
Louisville



W 63–61
W 111–105 2OT
W 65–60
L 75–83 OT



2006


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Southern Illinois
Northwestern State
Texas



W 64–46
W 67–54
L 71–74



2008

Huggins


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Arizona
Duke
Xavier



W 75–65
W 73–67
L 75–79 OT



2009


First Round



Dayton



L 60–68



2010


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four



Morgan State
Missouri
Washington
Kentucky
Duke



W 77–50
W 68–59
W 69–56
W 73–66
L 57–78



2011


First Round
Second Round



Clemson
Kentucky



W 84–76
L 63–71



2012


First Round



Gonzaga



L 54–77



2015


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Buffalo
Maryland
Kentucky



W 68–62
W 69–59
L 39–78



2016


First Round



Stephen F. Austin



L 56–70



2017


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Bucknell
Notre Dame
Gonzaga



W 86–80
W 83–71
L 58–61







West Virginia head coaches:
Coach


Tenure


Record


CT


TA


NC


Bob Huggins


2007-Pres



253-129



0



9



0



John Beilein


2002-07



104-60



0



2



0



Gale Catlett



1978-2002



439-276



3



8



0



Joedy Gardner



1974-78



59-53



1



0



0



Sonny Moran



1969-74



57-68






0



0



Bucky Waters



1965-69



69-41



1



1



0



George King



1960-65



102-43



3



3



0



Fred Schaus



1954-60



146-37



5



6



0



Red Brown



1950-54



72-31



1



0



0



Lee Patton



1945-50



91-26






0



0



John Brickels



1944-45



12-6






0



0



Harry Lothes



1943-44



8-11






0



0



Rudy Baric



1942-43



14-7






0



0



Dyke Raese



1938-42



55-29



0



0



0



Marshall Glenn



1933-38



61-46



1









Francis Stadsvold



1919-33



149-133












H.P. Mullenex



1917-19



12-21












George Pyle



1914-17



29-25












James Jenkins



1907-08



3-7












Anthony Chez



1904-07



15-21












John Purinton



1903-04



4-3











Is there an index to your post? Or should we go to the website of your cut and paste?
 

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Gale Catlett had 1 Sweet Sixteen, three 2nd rounds and 4 first-round losses.

The irony in this one CFE is that Gale's team knocked off Huggs UC team to get there. Jarod West with a three to end it if memory serves me well.

Another irony occurred with Huggs and Gale way back in the late 70's. It happened in Charleston WV when a visiting UC Bearcat team [Coached by Gale Catlett] beat a WVU team led by... yes.... Bob Huggins as a player.

I was there. Kinda bittersweet. Gardner just couldn't take us where Gale and Huggs did.

ON A SIDE NOTE TO SOME POSTERS ON THIS THREAD:

Please lighten up on CFE... It's obnoxious and childish. Just don't open up his threads. Holy Feces girls !!
 

Pitt4Life34

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West Virginia March Madness record


Bob Huggins is untouchable as the best WVU basketball coach in March Madness, up to the Sweet Sixteen level. He made it to the Final Four once.

Fred Schaus had four first-round losses before the 1959 run to the national title game with Jerry West that WVU barely lost to California. West became the only player on a non-title team to be named Final Four MVP.

George King, earlier the Morris Harvey coach, had two Sweet Sixteens and a first-round loss.

Bucky Waters had a first-round loss in his only March Madness appearance.

Gale Catlett had 1 Sweet Sixteen, three 2nd rounds and 4 first-round losses.

John Beilein has 1 Elite Eight and 1 Sweet Sixteen.

Bob Huggins had 4 Sweet Sixteens, 1 2nd round, 3 1st round losses.

Huggins has been to the Sweet Sixteen four times. Schaus once en route to Elite Eight and a national title game in the same year. King two Sweet Sixteens. Catlett 1 Sweet Sixteen. Beilein 2 Sweet Sixteens with 1 advancing to an Elite Eight.

So all the WVU coaches combined over a 62-year period have been to the Sweet Sixteen six times to Huggins’ 4 in 8 seasons (HALF his WVU career).

Only Schaus and Beilein have been to the Elite Eight with WVU. Huggins has never advanced beyond the Sweet Sixteen.

WVU did not make March Madness from 1968 through 1981.




Year


Round



Opponent



Result/Score



1955

Fred Schaus


First Round



LaSalle



L 61–95



1956


First Round



Dartmouth



L 59–61 OT



1957


First Round



Canisius



L 56–64



1958


First Round



Manhattan



L 84–89



1959


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four
National Championship Game



Dartmouth
Saint Joseph's
Boston University
Louisville
California



W 82–68
W 95–92
W 86–82
W 94–79
L 70–71



1960

George King


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Navy
NYU
Saint Joseph's



W 94–86
L 81–82 OT
W 106–100



1962


First Round



Villanova



L 75–90



1963


First Round
Sweet Sixteen
Regional Third Place Game



Connecticut
Saint Joseph's
NYU



W 77–71
L 88–97
W 83–73



1965

Bucky Waters


First Round



Providence



L 67–91



1967


First Round



Princeton



L 59–68



1982

Catlett


First Round
Second Round



North Carolina A&T
Fresno State



W 62–53
L 56–97



1983


First Round



James Madison



L 50–57



1984


First Round
Second Round



Oregon State
Maryland



W 64–62
L 77–102



1986


First Round



Old Dominion



L 64–72



1987


First Round



Western Kentucky



L 62–64



1989


First Round
Second Round



Tennessee
Duke



W 84–68
L 63–70



1992


First Round



Missouri



L 78–89



1998


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Temple
Cincinnati
Utah



W 82–52
W 75–74
L 62–65



2005

Beilein



First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight



Creighton
Wake Forest
Texas Tech
Louisville



W 63–61
W 111–105 2OT
W 65–60
L 75–83 OT



2006


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Southern Illinois
Northwestern State
Texas



W 64–46
W 67–54
L 71–74



2008

Huggins


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Arizona
Duke
Xavier



W 75–65
W 73–67
L 75–79 OT



2009


First Round



Dayton



L 60–68



2010


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen
Elite Eight
Final Four



Morgan State
Missouri
Washington
Kentucky
Duke



W 77–50
W 68–59
W 69–56
W 73–66
L 57–78



2011


First Round
Second Round



Clemson
Kentucky



W 84–76
L 63–71



2012


First Round



Gonzaga



L 54–77



2015


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Buffalo
Maryland
Kentucky



W 68–62
W 69–59
L 39–78



2016


First Round



Stephen F. Austin



L 56–70



2017


First Round
Second Round
Sweet Sixteen



Bucknell
Notre Dame
Gonzaga



W 86–80
W 83–71
L 58–61







West Virginia head coaches:
Coach


Tenure


Record


CT


TA


NC


Bob Huggins


2007-Pres



253-129



0



9



0



John Beilein


2002-07



104-60



0



2



0



Gale Catlett



1978-2002



439-276



3



8



0



Joedy Gardner



1974-78



59-53



1



0



0



Sonny Moran



1969-74



57-68






0



0



Bucky Waters



1965-69



69-41



1



1



0



George King



1960-65



102-43



3



3



0



Fred Schaus



1954-60



146-37



5



6



0



Red Brown



1950-54



72-31



1



0



0



Lee Patton



1945-50



91-26






0



0



John Brickels



1944-45



12-6






0



0



Harry Lothes



1943-44



8-11






0



0



Rudy Baric



1942-43



14-7






0



0



Dyke Raese



1938-42



55-29



0



0



0



Marshall Glenn



1933-38



61-46



1









Francis Stadsvold



1919-33



149-133












H.P. Mullenex



1917-19



12-21












George Pyle



1914-17



29-25












James Jenkins



1907-08



3-7












Anthony Chez



1904-07



15-21












John Purinton



1903-04



4-3











Was this intended as a joke?
 

eers-to-ya

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Talking to yourself is unhealthy. Cuyahoga says to...talmadgeer...to eers to ya...and then responds to himself. wow.
I posted a little parody of CFE's eternal optimism using red type (which you didn't find amusing) and now you are convinced we are one and the same. We are not.
 

SeronimusPratt

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He did lead Michigan to a national title game appearance.

When’s the last time Huggins did that anywhere?

By this logic, the following coaches are better than Huggs then:

Paul Hewitt (GT) Fired
Mike Davis (Indiana) Fired
Thad Matta (OSU) Fired
Kevin Ollie (UConn) Fired

I'm just saying that 1 lucky run in the Tourney doesn't make you better.
 

tOSUGrad90

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"1 lucky run?" LOL Yeah...no. Compare Matta's Final Fours, Sweet Sixteen appearances, and conference championships at tOSU to Bob's at WVU, then tell me about "1 lucky run."
 
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"1 lucky run?" LOL Yeah...no. Compare Matta's Final Fours, Sweet Sixteen appearances, and conference championships at tOSU to Bob's at WVU, then tell me about "1 lucky run."
I thought you would have mentioned the fact that both of huggins final four appearances were with teams that he didn't fully recruit.
 

WVUALLEN

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"1 lucky run?" LOL Yeah...no. Compare Matta's Final Fours, Sweet Sixteen appearances, and conference championships at tOSU to Bob's at WVU, then tell me about "1 lucky run."

I'll do better than that..- Career

Matta
2 elite 8
2 sweet 16
2 final 4 (runner up in one)
9 2nd rounds
2 1st round

8 conference championships (3 schools)

Huggins
2 final 4
2 elite 8
4 Sweet 16
19 2nd rd
5 1st rd

11 conference championships (4 schools didn't count the 2 at Walsh since they were NAIA)
 

tOSUGrad90

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I'll do better than that..- Career

Matta
2 elite 8
2 sweet 16
2 final 4 (runner up in one)
9 2nd rounds
2 1st round

8 conference championships (3 schools)

Huggins
2 final 4
2 elite 8
4 Sweet 16
19 2nd rd
5 1st rd

11 conference championships (4 schools didn't count the 2 at Walsh since they were NAIA)
No, you're not doing better than that. You're deflecting and diverting. Huggins has coached twice as long as Matta, so adding up raw numbers makes no sense, but you know that already.
 

SeronimusPratt

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No, you're not doing better than that. You're deflecting and diverting. Huggins has coached twice as long as Matta, so adding up raw numbers makes no sense, but you know that already.

Thad Matta is currently unemployed and the only school that wants him is a basement dweller. What about the other 3 I listed???
 

SKYHAWKBALL

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But look at all the talent Huggins had at Cinci and his one year at Kansas St and tell me his teams always underachieved in the tournament based upon their talent level.

By this logic, the following coaches are better than Huggs then:

Paul Hewitt (GT) Fired
Mike Davis (Indiana) Fired
Thad Matta (OSU) Fired
Kevin Ollie (UConn) Fired

I'm just saying that 1 lucky run in the Tourney doesn't make you better.
 

tOSUGrad90

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Thad Matta is currently unemployed and the only school that wants him is a basement dweller. What about the other 3 I listed???
Thad was offered the Georgia job, and interviewed with Ole Miss, but was not willing to take either job. My understanding is that his contract with tOSU requires him to consider other jobs, or lose part of his buyout, but I don't know any of the details. Whether it is due to his back/foot drop problem or something else, Thad does not appear to want to coach at this point. He was fired after his worst two seasons at Ohio State. His teams went 21-14, and 17-15 in those last two seasons, and never won fewer than 20 games before the last season. Huggins' WVU teams went 13-19 in 2012-13, and 17-16 in 2013-14, which would have been enough to have gotten him fired at Ohio State, I can assure you.
 

tOSUGrad90

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You're ignoring the elephant in the room, the Kenyon Martin injury that probably prevented a national title.
Yeah, if Cincinnati had won only FIVE more games in the NCAA Tournament, then the Bearcats would have been national champs instead of losing in the second round to seventh-seeded Tulsa. #WildSpeculation
 
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Thad was offered the Georgia job, and interviewed with Ole Miss, but was not willing to take either job. My understanding is that his contract with tOSU requires him to consider other jobs, or lose part of his buyout, but I don't know any of the details. Whether it is due to his back/foot drop problem or something else, Thad does not appear to want to coach at this point. He was fired after his worst two seasons at Ohio State. His teams went 21-14, and 17-15 in those last two seasons, and never won fewer than 20 games before the last season. Huggins' WVU teams went 13-19 in 2012-13, and 17-16 in 2013-14, which would have been enough to have gotten him fired at Ohio State, I can assure you.
If something happened to Huggins where he was unable to continue as head coach I think Thad Matta would be someone wvu would and should consider if he was interested. He knows the area and is a proven winner. Schools like OSU expect more than the wvu's and Cincy's of the world. Huggins last 9 seasons at cincy he only made it past the second round once and that was 2000 or 2001 can't remember. That would get you fired at Osu, Duke, UK, UNC but not at cincy or wvu. When he did get canned at cincy the only place that wanted him was K state and that program was in horrible shape at the time.
 

SeronimusPratt

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If something happened to Huggins where he was unable to continue as head coach I think Thad Matta would be someone wvu would and should consider if he was interested. He knows the area and is a proven winner. Schools like OSU expect more than the wvu's and Cincy's of the world. Huggins last 9 seasons at cincy he only made it past the second round once and that was 2000 or 2001 can't remember. That would get you fired at Osu, Duke, UK, UNC but not at cincy or wvu. When he did get canned at cincy the only place that wanted him was K state and that program was in horrible shape at the time.

Well we know you aren't in favor of ANY WVU coach so we kind of know where you go. Wins keep you quiet and losses bring you out...
 
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Well we know you aren't in favor of ANY WVU coach so we kind of know where you go. Wins keep you quiet and losses bring you out...
When Have I ever said anything negative about Huggins? Huggins is a good coach for a school like wvu but schools above wvu expect more. You don't keep your job by just making it to the tourney at blue bloods. If something happened to huggins you don't think matta would be a good candidate? Maybe you should get your facts straight when you post. I would'nt exactly say Georgia is a basement dweller. Definately not the best job but either was K State either.
BTW what exactly have we lost?
 

Pitt4Life34

Heisman
Nov 5, 2002
59,698
38,018
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By this logic, the following coaches are better than Huggs then:

Paul Hewitt (GT) Fired
Mike Davis (Indiana) Fired
Thad Matta (OSU) Fired
Kevin Ollie (UConn) Fired

I'm just saying that 1 lucky run in the Tourney doesn't make you better.


Dumb ha ha. Obviously Beilein is a much better coach than Hewitt and Davis. And for most of their careers he is much better than Ollie. I can understand an argument regarding Beilein/Matta.