So the FBI says the “memo” is factual.

Boomboom521

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This is you placing false hope or expectations into folks who by default cannot or will not so what you hope especially once given power and motive to do the exact opposite.

Government by itself can't be good or bad. It is the morality of those in it which determines what it will be. After the memo is released you will (should) be convinced as many of us are NEVER to trust those running Government and particularly with no moral limits.
But you trust Trump, and everyone Trump appoints. To me, a person faces decisions that challenge their own morality daily. Small or large, unless one is able to take the hits, it’s easy to get used to rationalization of ignoring our inner voice.
 

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But you trust Trump, and everyone Trump appoints. To me, a person faces decisions that challenge their own morality daily. Small or large, unless one is able to take the hits, it’s easy to get used to rationalization of ignoring our inner voice.

Nope wrong. We want him limited along with all the rest. He's no model of morality but he trusts US...as it should be.
 

Boomboom521

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Nope wrong. We want him limited along with all the rest. He's no model of morality but he trusts US...as it should be.
Despite what you think, I believe government is of, for, and by the people. The size of it doesn’t change that.
 

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Sessions would appoint the SP wouldn’t he?

Rehashing old investigations is not the priority. Cleaning out the swamp is. There are reports that McCabe has been wiretapped for a while without his knowledge (and I 100% guarantee it's with a warrant, if so). They had to let them continue their game, and find out who all of the players were.
 

Boomboom521

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Rehashing old investigations is not the priority. Cleaning out the swamp is. There are reports that McCabe has been wiretapped for a while without his knowledge (and I 100% guarantee it's with a warrant, if so). They had to let them continue their game, and find out who all of the players were.
I’d have no problem with that, if done legally.
 

atlkvb

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Despite what you think, I believe government is of, for, and by the people. The size of it doesn’t change that.

Correct. We get what we ask for...mostly. Which is why free self governing folks must also be moral or expect a level of morality from those they choose to govern. Doesn't work well without it.
 

Boomboom521

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Correct. We get what we ask for...mostly. Which is why free self governing folks must also be moral or expect a level of morality from those they choose to govern. Doesn't work well without it.
In other words....as long as I elect Christians we will be ok? Or am I misreading you there?
 

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In other words....as long as I elect Christians we will be ok? Or am I misreading you there?

Christians aren't perfect. But them following Christian morality as we learn it from Almighty God's instruction cannot be and will not be immoral. Ever. That morality would serve Government and us well the closer to it we choose to follow.
 

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I don’t know about that. And I’m really wondering why Trump didn’t instruct Sessions to tie that all up his first day in the oval. “Lock her up” was one of his big hits on tour. And I think Comey hurt her by the way he handled it during the home stretch.

But, again, if true I’d support going after Clinton, Comey and everyone else fast and hard. Why hasn’t Trump instructed Sessions to get it dealt with then? There was an investigation in the House.
Well let’s see, would you like me to link to the 100s of posts on here where Trump is compared to Hitler? How bout the many articles where he’s referred to as a dictator and quoted texts from Dem opposition opining about locking up political opposition? Or how would it be perceived with the cloud of the Collusion Investigation ongoing if he’s trying to root out “corruption” in the upper echelons of the DOJ? I’m sure that would go over well with the nutcases on the left.

It’s almost like there is an ulterior motive for the collusion investigation and why Hillbag’s campaign pushes the narrative from Russian interference to straight collusion despite any evidence in the wake of defeat.
 

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Sessions would appoint the SP wouldn’t he?
Why the need for a SP? There is an IG investigation ongoing, a Senate intelligence committee investigation and a House Intelligence committee investigation. All happening concurrently. That’s not even counting the committee’s in the house and senate that oversee the DOJ.

It’s been happening. It’s been being reported on. Committees are squawking, articles are being written, the IG is wrapping up, FBI officials at the top are being shitcanned, sidelined, demoted, removed, recused, and retired.

But yet, it’s all partisan attacks trying to undermine the critical work being done by Mueller and his team looking into collusion.

Hahahhaahha
 

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Well let’s see, would you like me to link to the 100s of posts on here where Trump is compared to Hitler? How bout the many articles where he’s referred to as a dictator and quoted texts from Dem opposition opining about locking up political opposition? Or how would it be perceived with the cloud of the Collusion Investigation ongoing if he’s trying to root out “corruption” in the upper echelons of the DOJ? I’m sure that would go over well with the nutcases on the left.

It’s almost like there is an ulterior motive for the collusion investigation and why Hillbag’s campaign pushes the narrative from Russian interference to straight collusion despite any evidence in the wake of defeat.
Well now that would be just disgusting wouldn’t it?

His approval is pitiful. He’s won over the GOP by getting the economy in a rage. Why not now then? Are you saying Trump isn’t going to pursue Clinton because of perception?
 

Boomboom521

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Why the need for a SP? There is an IG investigation ongoing, a Senate intelligence committee investigation and a House Intelligence committee investigation. All happening concurrently. That’s not even counting the committee’s in the house and senate that oversee the DOJ.

It’s been happening. It’s been being reported on. Committees are squawking, articles are being written, the IG is wrapping up, FBI officials at the top are being shitcanned, sidelined, demoted, removed, recused, and retired.

But yet, it’s all partisan attacks trying to undermine the critical work being done by Mueller and his team looking into collusion.

Hahahhaahha
If there are FBI agents getting just a demotion for collaborating in a massive deep state effort to control power for the Clinton dynasty, that sucks.
 

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Well now that would be just disgusting wouldn’t it?

His approval is pitiful. He’s won over the GOP by getting the economy in a rage. Why not now then? Are you saying Trump isn’t going to pursue Clinton because of perception?

The FBI has already reopened the Clinton Foundation investigation, around the first of the year. Trump isn't telling them who to investigate or not to. It's back in the FBI's hands based on crimes and evidence.
 

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Why the need for a SP? There is an IG investigation ongoing, a Senate intelligence committee investigation and a House Intelligence committee investigation. All happening concurrently. That’s not even counting the committee’s in the house and senate that oversee the DOJ.

It’s been happening. It’s been being reported on. Committees are squawking, articles are being written, the IG is wrapping up, FBI officials at the top are being shitcanned, sidelined, demoted, removed, recused, and retired.

But yet, it’s all partisan attacks trying to undermine the critical work being done by Mueller and his team looking into collusion.

Hahahhaahha

The Left cannot let collusion go...it is their only real explanation why Hillary lost. They refuse to believe voters simply preferred Trump over her by their own choice...no Russians. Collusion settles her loss in their minds even if it's not true and if Mueller can't prove it they will STILL insist it happened...somehow. It just has to be.
 

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Well now that would be just disgusting wouldn’t it?

His approval is pitiful. He’s won over the GOP by getting the economy in a rage. Why not now then? Are you saying Trump isn’t going to pursue Clinton because of perception?
I’m saying he can’t for a variety of reasons none of which are related to evidence. The immunity deals in place of her staff kind of eliminated any chance of that. IG report will clear this all up for you though.
 

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The FBI has already reopened the Clinton Foundation investigation, around the first of the year. Trump isn't telling them who to investigate or not to. It's back in the FBI's hands based on crimes and evidence.
I’m happy about that
 

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If there are FBI agents getting just a demotion for collaborating in a massive deep state effort to control power for the Clinton dynasty, that sucks.
I wouldn’t call some top level people a “massive deep state effort”. There are corrupt individuals, they’ve been identified, and they are being dealt with. That’s not even the point of my post.

There is a mountain of evidence that has been reported on. The left and the MSM have swallowed the “undermining Mueller’s investigation” whole hog. You all don’t want to know because it paints a horrible picture of reality. Never mind the collusion that didn’t actually happen. Never mind the collusion investigation occurring to subvert what should have been “the clean up on aisle 6”. You all still haven’t come to terms that America didn’t want your version of the future. It was rejected. You all still haven’t accepted that. You saw it last night personified by the Dem Caucus. They refused to acknowledge and celebrate American success.
 

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If there are FBI agents getting just a demotion for collaborating in a massive deep state effort to control power for the Clinton dynasty, that sucks.

Obama was the chief orchestrator of the spying and illegal unmasking. He both knew of it and ordered it and lied about both, as well as effort to keep Hillary's investigation as only a "matter".

Memo and IG report will confirm all of this.
 

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I wouldn’t call some top level people a “massive deep state effort”. There are corrupt individuals, they’ve been identified, and they are being dealt with. That’s not even the point of my post.

There is a mountain of evidence that has been reported on. The left and the MSM have swallowed the “undermining Mueller’s investigation” whole hog. You all don’t want to know because it paints a horrible picture of reality. Never mind the collusion that didn’t actually happen. Never mind the collusion investigation occurring to subvert what should have been “the clean up on aisle 6”. You all still haven’t come to terms that America didn’t want your version of the future. It was rejected. You all still haven’t accepted that. You saw it last night personified by the Dem Caucus. They refused to acknowledge and celebrate American success.
I am disappointed in the dem leadership and message.

I accept that many in the rust belt wanted the economy back to where it was prior to the crash. And that gave Trump an EC victory.

I want to see a mix, always have.
 

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It's not hard to believe, more like you and the Left either don't want to believe it or refuse to.

With people like Seth Abramson filling the left with full of wonderfully detailed stories not based on substance, it's no wonder.
 

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I am disappointed in the dem leadership and message.

I accept that many in the rust belt wanted the economy back to where it was prior to the crash. And that gave Trump an EC victory.

I want to see a mix, always have.

The low tax limited regulation "mix" was tilted way to the Left. Trump is rebalancing that scale and all you and the rest of the Left are doing is complaining about it!

I'd personally prefer to see it tipped in favor of still lower taxes and even more limits on big Government but you have to start somewhere. The "mix" is still in need of major recalibration.
 

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I wouldn’t call some top level people a “massive deep state effort”. There are corrupt individuals, they’ve been identified, and they are being dealt with. That’s not even the point of my post.

There is a mountain of evidence that has been reported on. The left and the MSM have swallowed the “undermining Mueller’s investigation” whole hog. You all don’t want to know because it paints a horrible picture of reality. Never mind the collusion that didn’t actually happen. Never mind the collusion investigation occurring to subvert what should have been “the clean up on aisle 6”. You all still haven’t come to terms that America didn’t want your version of the future. It was rejected. You all still haven’t accepted that. You saw it last night personified by the Dem Caucus. They refused to acknowledge and celebrate American success.
Everybody go back to work, and come back tomorrow. We have the post of the day.
 

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With people like Seth Abramson filling the left with full of wonderfully detailed stories not based on substance, it's no wonder.

The Left is against Americans prospering. That was their message last night. Good luck with that!
 

Boomboom521

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The low tax limited regulation "mix" was tilted way to the Left. Trump is rebalancing that scale and all you and the rest of the Left are doing is complaining about it!

I'd personally prefer to see it tipped in favor of still lower taxes and even more limits on big Government but you have to start somewhere. The "mix" is still in need of major recalibration.
I know you all blame it on Carter and Frannie MAE, but deregulation contributed to the crash. I’m not happy going downvthat road again. Everyone likes growth, sustainable growth is important.
 

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No, that’s how the Dems message is framed by the right. Can’t knock your skills though....you guys are good

Framed? They sat on their hands while great metrics for all Americans were being described. You don't have to frame that.
 

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I wonder how the left will react when they start hauling people off in handcuffs? Will MSM even report such things?
 

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I know you all blame it on Carter and Frannie MAE, but deregulation contributed to the crash. I’m not happy going downvthat road again. Everyone likes growth, sustainable growth is important.

Maybe if we didn't invite Big Government in to "regulate" the free market in the first place we wouldn't need to "deregulate"?

What would have the housing crisis had looked like if we had just followed sound bank loan underwriting and capitalization of lending portfolios without all the artificial Government mandates on who to make loans to or how to back them?

I'm not for anything goes...but generally Government screws up more private enterprise than it helps and the housing crisis is exhibit "A".
 
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Maybe if we didn't invite Big Government in to "regulate" the free market we wouldn't need to "deregulate"?

What would have the housing crisis had looked like if we had just followed sound bank loan underwriting and capitalization of lending portfolios without all the artificial mandates on who to make loans to or how to back them?

I'm not for anything goes...but generally Government screws up more private enterprise than it helps and the housing crisis os exhibit "A".
The bundling of debt wasn't a government initiative