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Also, SI hinting at Dana and ASU
https://hailwv.com/2017/11/28/si-com-ties-dana-holgorsen-arizona-state-job/
https://hailwv.com/2017/11/28/si-com-ties-dana-holgorsen-arizona-state-job/
Gundy is 2-11 vs their Bedlam opponent. At some point the fans in Stillwater realize he's 2-11 vs the Sooners and victories over everyone else just don't matter. I got a feeling he's going. There's a point where every time you "interview" or "talk with interested schools" you burn your fans a little more and the big boosters & the AD. He's at that point.
Plus UT looks like a bunch of idiots with 3 consecutive failed hires and their fans ruined the AD with Schiano. I bet they'll pay a lot More than they had to a week ago. They'll probably pay more than Florida did for Mullen for the what 6th choice for the job. Cutcliffe at Duke has even turned them down. Gruden-No Way. Same with Kelly & Frost. Mullen waited til FLORIDA came in.
I don't see Dana to Ok State-it's possible. I figure They'll go after a bigger name. TX Tech was the school that may have went for Holgorsen had they canned Kingsbury. His stock isn't as high right now.
Plus UT looks like a bunch of idiots with 3 consecutive failed hires and their fans ruined the AD with Schiano. I bet they'll pay a lot More than they had to a week ago. They'll probably pay more than Florida did for Mullen for the what 6th choice for the job. Cutcliffe at Duke has even turned them down. Gruden-No Way. Same with Kelly & Frost. Mullen waited til FLORIDA came in.
I don't see Dana to Ok State-it's possible. I figure They'll go after a bigger name. TX Tech was the school that may have went for Holgorsen had they canned Kingsbury. His stock isn't as high right now.
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Inexpensive at first but if you really understand the game (really)........
The writer who is linking Dana to the ASU job is Bruce Feldman. I would be skeptical of anything that comes out of his mouth. He is the same writer who linked Dana to the Miami job in 2015 based on the word of some rapper booster. Dana never made the Ad's shortlist but why would a coach who went 7-5 be on it in the 1st place. In regards to the ASU situation it is completely absurd to think that Dana will receive any consideration. For starts Todd Grahams 6 year record was 46-31 which is exactly the same record Dana had after 6 years at WVU. Secondly Todd Graham was making 3.2 mil Dana makes 3.5mil and will be making 3.6 in 2018. The ASU ad stated they expect to compete for PAC 12 championships on a regular basis. If that is case why would he hire someone from a mid level program with the same winning pct as the guy he just fired? He would have to pay Dana more then his was paying graham just to get him to come. Both ASU and WVU are mid level power 5 schools. The ASU ad has already received quite a bit of criticism for his handling of the Graham situation. All hell would rain down on him if he hired a guy with the same winning pct for more Money. I doubt Bruce Feldman took any of this into consideration when he wrote these articles.
Gundy turned Tennessee down
https://wdef.com/2017/11/28/mike-gundy-turns-opportunity-coach-vols-football-team/
We are the 14th winningest program in College Football.
We are #22 in bowl appearances tied with ND/UCLA/BYU
We are #29 in bowl wins
We might not be Bama but we aren't a middle of the road program.
we are a mid level power 5 job just like ASU. They are not going to pay someone more money for the same exact results.
Update
Gundy turns them down (surprised me) with a huge raise reportedly
Brohom turns them down (not as much cause he's young and better opps are a waiting)
They're losing the pr battle and unlike Arkansas who is waiting on the SEC Title Game outcome to talk to Malzagn and maybe the AAC Title Game for Norvill, UT needs to hire someone cause they look worse every day.
Even Miss State had their new head coach in 72 hrs and interviewed their top 3 candidates.
Gundy turns them down (surprised me) with a huge raise reportedly
Brohom turns them down (not as much cause he's young and better opps are a waiting)
They're losing the pr battle and unlike Arkansas who is waiting on the SEC Title Game outcome to talk to Malzagn and maybe the AAC Title Game for Norvill, UT needs to hire someone cause they look worse every day.
Even Miss State had their new head coach in 72 hrs and interviewed their top 3 candidates.
Not that such statistics do not have a place in a conversation, perception is what have you don't for me lately. Lately, WVU has been as middle of the road as you can get in a conference that is at best - middle of the road. WVU has been middle of the road for the last ten years.
Paper.....................are you serious? I think you are and I do my fair share to keep Holgs. I will send another $2 via Western Union ............first thing tomorrow morning. Just don't make this a habit! Warez
That is a bit over the top don't you think? We can hardly do worse. We win these games on pure brute force, I have not seen one moment of brilliant coaching out of Dana in his entire time here, but I have seen him screw up a drive in nearly every game.
If DH ever had a big time season here, as in Big XII title and playoff appearance or a just miss playoff appearance, he would be on the first flight out of here. Every time some Midwest coaching job opens up or is talked about opening up DH is always linked to it. Where there is smoke there is fire, DH just doesn’t have the resume to close the deal on a better coaching gig.
I don’t know. It’s so hard to win at WVU. Historically, 7 wins is a great year you know
Seven wins was ok - but just ok when there were 10 games in a season. 7 out of eleven was poor at best as that meant 7-4 and in those days 7 wins did not assure a team of a bowl. Then when we moved to 12, 7 wins is poor at best and when you consider that all seven win teams go to a bowl these days that is really 7 wins out of 13, that just plain sucks as the team is either 6-6 and winning the bowl to be 7-6 or 7-5 and then losing the bowl. In my book that means NEW HIRE, regardless of the circumstances.
Even if Dana has a 9.5 but out - pay it. WVU is not poor after moving into the Big-12 and getting full shares. The burden should be on Lyons for inking such a stupid deal when at best he had damaged goods in to work with. If we do somehow end up letting Dana go, we need to let Lyons go as well.
Actually, both of these posters, while making opposite points, are both telling the truth. We ARE a top 20 program historically. Nehlen put us in the national championship situation twice. Rich Rod did it once and had us as a perennial top 10 team, Bill Stewart kept us in the top 25, but Dana has successfully turned us into a mid level power 5 job just like ASU.
It's really sad. What's more sad is that Dana was bragging we tied for 4th in the Big 12 when in reality we also tied for 7th. If Texas Tech doesn't implode in the 4th qtr in Morgantown, we finish EIGHTH, just ahead of horrid Baylor and Kansas. And what's even more sad is that DANA probably thinks that's the best anyone can do at WVU.
The only thing that's more sad than that is the percentage of WVU fans under 35 who have been so abused by the last 8 years that they forget we once were a top 10-20 program, that a 5-loss season was always a severe disappointment and cause to question whether or not our coach should be fired. Now they think 5 losses is not so bad.
UGH!
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Quote 1: We are the 14th winningest program in College Football.
We are #22 in bowl appearances tied with ND/UCLA/BYU
We are #29 in bowl wins
We might not be Bama but we aren't a middle of the road program.
QUOTE 2: we are a mid level power 5 job just like ASU. They are not going to pay someone more money for the same exact results.
13 ColoradoMountaineer, Today at 6:05 PM
It's really sad. What's more sad is that Dana was bragging we tied for 4th in the Big 12 when in reality we also tied for 7th. If Texas Tech doesn't implode in the 4th qtr in Morgantown, we finish EIGHTH, just ahead of horrid Baylor and Kansas. And what's even more sad is that DANA probably thinks that's the best anyone can do at WVU.
The only thing that's more sad than that is the percentage of WVU fans under 35 who have been so abused by the last 8 years that they forget we once were a top 10-20 program, that a 5-loss season was always a severe disappointment and cause to question whether or not our coach should be fired. Now they think 5 losses is not so bad.
UGH!
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Quote 1: We are the 14th winningest program in College Football.
We are #22 in bowl appearances tied with ND/UCLA/BYU
We are #29 in bowl wins
We might not be Bama but we aren't a middle of the road program.
QUOTE 2: we are a mid level power 5 job just like ASU. They are not going to pay someone more money for the same exact results.
13 ColoradoMountaineer, Today at 6:05 PM
In a 13 game season counting bowls, 7 wins is horrible. Each team that isnt a train wreck is basically gifted 4 wins to start the year in 2 gimme OOC games, and the 2 conference doormats. So 3-6 vs teams of comparable talent gets you the magical 7 wins.
Plane Tracker is sooooo 10 years back. With technology progressing the way it is, I think all this stuff is getting done by the Good ADs on Skype and other comms.
Don't kid yourself. WV has been a Top 20 team............but only on rare occasions. Of course, WV played Notre Dame for the NC once upon a time. They also played Florida in a bowl that could have had NC implications. Also, another feller had them knock, knock, knocking on the NC door .......until they were derailed by Pitt. Once, twice..................three times a lady. I remain........ Warez
Now reportedly Sumlin not interested in Tennessee (must be strong indications for a chance FSU). It's now on to Mike Leach.
Recap:
1 Gruden-Heck No. MNF & commercials pay more
2 Kelly-Pfft yeah right. As if, not going to FL, why go to TN? UCLA
3 Frost-As if, not going to FL, why go to TN, so home sweet Nebraska
4 Mullen-used them til he waited & became 3rd choice for Florida
5 Schiano-Peyton, Urban, and The Hoody may think you're a good hire, but Clay Travis & people who write on some rock in Knoxville say differ
6 Gundy-Thanks for the raise T Boone, UT got youagain
7 Brohom-Happy in W Lafayette
9 Cutcliffe-No thanks Duke is a better job
9 Doeren-used the Mike Gundy approach to get a raise. Raleigh Rocks
10 Sumlin-got $10 million coming in 60 days. Not going back to work for a bunch of crazies.
Now it's reported it on to
11 Mike Leach who will probably take it. Funny thing is I don't see his air raid working in the SEC. Too much passing.
Some of these may be pure rumors, and may have not been real offers but UT needs to keep things a lot quieter. The AD also had to know by October that they were going to need to get a new coach with Butch Jones being a disaster, so they should have had a line of candidates who we they are going to hire with a solid likelihood of this guy is a yes.
The irony is all the while Les Miles who has publicly said he is interested has a NC and a few SEC titles. The guy may be boring & old but he's got a better resume' than some of the others they've talked to..
Recap:
1 Gruden-Heck No. MNF & commercials pay more
2 Kelly-Pfft yeah right. As if, not going to FL, why go to TN? UCLA
3 Frost-As if, not going to FL, why go to TN, so home sweet Nebraska
4 Mullen-used them til he waited & became 3rd choice for Florida
5 Schiano-Peyton, Urban, and The Hoody may think you're a good hire, but Clay Travis & people who write on some rock in Knoxville say differ
6 Gundy-Thanks for the raise T Boone, UT got youagain
7 Brohom-Happy in W Lafayette
9 Cutcliffe-No thanks Duke is a better job
9 Doeren-used the Mike Gundy approach to get a raise. Raleigh Rocks
10 Sumlin-got $10 million coming in 60 days. Not going back to work for a bunch of crazies.
Now it's reported it on to
11 Mike Leach who will probably take it. Funny thing is I don't see his air raid working in the SEC. Too much passing.
Some of these may be pure rumors, and may have not been real offers but UT needs to keep things a lot quieter. The AD also had to know by October that they were going to need to get a new coach with Butch Jones being a disaster, so they should have had a line of candidates who we they are going to hire with a solid likelihood of this guy is a yes.
The irony is all the while Les Miles who has publicly said he is interested has a NC and a few SEC titles. The guy may be boring & old but he's got a better resume' than some of the others they've talked to..
Les Miles does not want to coach again.
A stipulation in his buyout clause with LSU is that he has to "actively" seek employment, so he goes on a few interviews, bombs them, and goes back to doing his TV appearances and podcasts.