I get the sense that Carter Page is in a heap-o-trouble

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Because he has Russian ties, he's an agent? I know a couple Russians. Well, they were adopted from Russia. Perhaps I'm a Russian agent.
Did the Russian government pay you to give speeches? If so, I'll forward you the the local field office.
 

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I don't seek information to support my internal narrative. I'm open to being wrong, and so I don't "filter to fit" but rather "process to learn"

Really?

OK if you say so. I won't argue that, I'll just file it in your dossier to use as future reference.

I do wish as far as this Trump influenced by Russians story goes you'd practice what you claim is your ongoing policy in this post.
 

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Not compared to Cruz. Trump policy proposals were not conservative, but I didn't trust his policies would get initiated because I didn't (still don't) believe he can play political football well. Rubio was moderate, but I felt would get a lot done through his ability to work with Congress.

Tell me a couple of Rubio's "moderate" positions compared to Trump? Rubio was after the same constituency Cruz was after. He was trying to carry the "Reagan Conservative" banner.
 

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Because he has Russian ties, he's an agent? I know a couple Russians. Well, they were adopted from Russia. Perhaps I'm a Russian agent.
First: I said POSSIBLE (and maybe it is POSSIBLE you are a Russian agent too), and second: the FBI is investigating him due to certain contacts he made in Russia including what the FBI knew to be Russian agents (if the FBI was actively investigating you for such, that POSSIBILITY would increase a little, imo).
 

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I don't know, she ran on doing more for the environment, continuing the "forced" shift of the job market, and holding to dem principles that Obama asserted as Pres (gay rights, doing more for women, family planning support, help to families for child care). It's tough to see things you believe in shattered BB.

It is, that's why I'm of the opinion we should part ways now and try to forge a good neighborly relationship. If liberals want to make this a zero sum game however, I hope they get demolished and their ideology scattered to the winds.
 

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First: I said POSSIBLE (and maybe it is POSSIBLE you are a Russian agent too), and second: the FBI is investigating him due to certain contacts he made in Russia including what the FBI knew to be Russian agents (if the FBI was actively investigating you for such, that POSSIBILITY would increase a little, imo).

The danger lies in the possibility that all of this could possibly be impossibly false, and possibly an impossibly improbable media spin impossibly designed to possibly discredit Trump if that's at all possible?
 

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It is, that's why I'm of the opinion we should part ways now and try to forge a good neighborly relationship. If liberals want to make this a zero sum game however, I hope they get demolished and their ideology scattered to the winds.
Ah, come on America is all about political discourse. From Hamilton - Jefferson on down, disagreement and compromise can lead to a strong and powerful nation. We have to AT THE VERY LEAST recognize and respect each other's love of America and liberty, and try to find common ground. We let politicians create this "battlefield" that says one side loves America and the other side wants to destroy it. It isn't true. Finding compromises is why we have thrived as a nation. We need to block out the political aggression, question our leaders, listen to each other, and find common ground again.
 

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Watched an interview with Page over the weekend. All of his speeches land work in Russia occurred well before campaign. It was only after his name came up as a possible advisor that the FBI got involved. Sounds like "go get political dirt" to me.
 

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Ah, come on America is all about political discourse. From Hamilton - Jefferson on down, disagreement and compromise can lead to a strong and powerful nation. We have to AT THE VERY LEAST recognize and respect each other's love of America and liberty, and try to find common ground. We let politicians create this "battlefield" that says one side loves America and the other side wants to destroy it. It isn't true. Finding compromises is why we have thrived as a nation. We need to block out the political aggression, question our leaders, listen to each other, and find common ground again.


Boomer Conservatives want smaller more limited Government and the Left wants bigger more activist Government. So where's the compromise?

More of less, or less of more?

I prefer competition in the 'arena of ideas'. Compare and contrast the two competing extremes, hash it out, provide facts, measure the results and decide which way is better?

That's the American way! Competition. The better plan wins the public's support. Winner gets to run the country with a better plan, loser goes home and plays solitaire.
 

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Really?

OK if you say so. I won't argue that, I'll just file it in your dossier to use as future reference.

I do wish as far as this Trump influenced by Russians story goes you'd practice what you claim is your ongoing policy in this post.
No no no, you're totally right ATL, Trump vetted his people spectacularly. The FBI is just running a smoke screen for Clinton.....STILL. Obama is still in control of the IC and Congress. Manafort is a beacon of American loyalty. Flynn was fired by Trump because Trump is just infallible and it's what he wanted after such a long tenure at his position.
 

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If these ties are true, at the VERY LEAST it signals the Trump is HORRIBLE at vetting the people he hires to advise him in key positions. Why isn't that AT LEAST an issue for his lovers and crazed fans? The man hired a possible Russian agent as his foreign adviser, a self-identified foreign agent as his campaign chairman, and a liar as his national security advisor. But all of this Trump- Russia stuff is political smoke, and Trump is the smartest guy on the world, and it's all America first all the time, right?

Trump never met Page. Page was very briefly a foreign policy advisor to Trump's campaign.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/10/carter-page-ex-advisers-tenuous-ties-donald-trump-/
 

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Boomer Conservatives want smaller more limited Government and the Left wants bigger more activist Government. So where's the compromise?

More of less, or less of more?

I prefer competition in the 'arena of ideas'. Compare and contrast the two competing extremes, hash it out, provide facts, measure the results and decide which way is better?

That's the American way! Competition. The better plan wins the public's support. Winner gets to run the country with a better plan, loser goes home and plays solitaire.
Solid ATL, you're such a community guy aren't you? As long as everyone in your community shares your values and desires for life.....they can be free. Otherwise it's winner take all, right?

Maybe you and Trump can establish a "winner" nation that kicks all of us solitaire playing losers out for good?
 

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Ah, come on America is all about political discourse. From Hamilton - Jefferson on down, disagreement and compromise can lead to a strong and powerful nation. We have to AT THE VERY LEAST recognize and respect each other's love of America and liberty, and try to find common ground. We let politicians create this "battlefield" that says one side loves America and the other side wants to destroy it. It isn't true. Finding compromises is why we have thrived as a nation. We need to block out the political aggression, question our leaders, listen to each other, and find common ground again.

In my opinion we've passed the point of no return as far as reconciliation between the left and right is concerned. Plus the left is ignorant of history and reality, like my man Thomas says so well...

 

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We let politicians create this "battlefield" that says one side loves America and the other side wants to destroy it. It isn't true

Boomer just the other day you posted that you hate to stand by and watch Trump destroy the country. You also often assert that the Right does not respect our Liberty, and simply wants to dictate how we should live.


How do these statements square with your stated position in post #38 of this thread or even post #18?

Explain.
 

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In my opinion we've passed the point of no return as far as reconciliation between the left and right is concerned. Plus the left is ignorant of history and reality, like my man Thomas says so well...

Because those conservative, "hands off", "let big business run free" policies worked so well before FDR didn't they?
 

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Watched an interview with Page over the weekend. All of his speeches land work in Russia occurred well before campaign. It was only after his name came up as a possible advisor that the FBI got involved. Sounds like "go get political dirt" to me.
Sure. Law enforcement should always simply believe everything the person being investigated says, right? I mean, most court cases should just stop at "not guilty"....it would save a lot of time.
 

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Sure. Law enforcement should always simply believe everything the person being investigated says, right? I mean, most court cases should just stop at "not guilty"....it would save a lot of time.

What is his crime boomer? What is he being investigated for?
 

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No no no, you're totally right ATL, Trump vetted his people spectacularly. The FBI is just running a smoke screen for Clinton.....STILL. Obama is still in control of the IC and Congress. Manafort is a beacon of American loyalty. Flynn was fired by Trump because Trump is just infallible and it's what he wanted after such a long tenure at his position.

All I'd like to know is what any of them did wrong, what did Trump do with or for the Russians to steal this election from Hillary? Isn't this the main concern?
 

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Boomer just the other day you posted that you hate to stand by and watch Trump destroy the country. You also often assert that the Right does not respect our Liberty, and simply wants to dictate how we should live.


How do these statements square with your stated position in post #38 of this thread or even post #18?

Explain.
I'd like for you to post exactly where I said Trump was destroying the country. Destroying the environment maybe, destroying the credibility of the Oval Office maybe.

I believe many on the right (due to their personal religious fervor) do not want to allow personal liberty to those that do not believe in what they believe. I do see it as unAmerican in thought. But I believe even the most crazed right wing religious zealot loves this nation, and there own personal liberty. It's where the common ground exists. Through understanding, empathy, respect and States Rightas we can find a place where left and right enjoy the same liberty together under the American nation.
 

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All I'd like to know is what any of them did wrong, what did Trump do with or for the Russians to steal this election from Hillary? Isn't this the main concern?
I'm not sure what definition you apply to the word INVESTIGATION, but to me that means things are still being determined.

And ATL, my original post in this thread was that my personal distrust of Trump makes me think there is something more to all of this, but AT THE VERY LEAST his loyalists should recognize that he has done a very bad job of vetting people he's place in key positions.

I've also commended him on his hire of Haley and nomination of Gorush, so don't get all polarized brother. Read everything, not just what soothes your delusional internal narrative.
 

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What is his crime boomer? What is he being investigated for?

Being audacious enough to challenge the Clinton's and Democratic establishment. This "Russian hack/puppet" narrative is merely a smoke screen to deflect from the real crimes of the Clintons and probably Obama himself.
 

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I'm not sure they list that on the FBI website, I check real quick.......nope they don't, I guess they might play the cards close to their chest and all

I'm sure they'll let us know once they find out whatever it is they're looking for.

Then you can unload on Trump (or the Dems if they're behind all the alleged Russian meddling in our election)
 

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I'm sure they'll let us know once they find out whatever it is they're looking for.

Then you can unload on Trump (or the Dems if they're behind all the alleged Russian meddling in our election)
Huh? They've already let us know what they are looking for.

And call me crazy, but I think Russia is behind the Russian meddling in our election. #hottake
 

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Being audacious enough to challenge the Clinton's and Democratic establishment. This "Russian hack/puppet" narrative is merely a smoke screen to deflect from the real crimes of the Clintons and probably Obama himself.

I'm not suggesting that, but I honestly wouldn't be any more surprised if there was some Democratic operative inside that DNC who leaked those e-mails to Wikileaks anymore than I'd be surprised that Obama promised those Mullah's in Iran they can have their nukes in a few more years as long as they signed that treaty to make him look good for his legacy.

Everybody thinks that Trump's the bad guy here but don't we already know the DNC sandbagged Sander's whole campaign and tried to disrupt Trump's while everyone was distracted?
 

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Huh? They've already let us know what they are looking for.

And call me crazy, but I think Russia is behind the Russian meddling in our election. #hottake

OK well I'm all ears Coop.

What have they found? How did they steal it away from Hillary, and how did Trump benefit?

What'd they (Russians) give him? How'd they pull it all off?
 

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OK well I'm all ears Coop.

What have they found? How did they steal away from Hillary, and how did Trump benefit?

What'd they give him?
What? No one has said they've reported their findings. It's the federal government FFS. It will probably drag on for years. You asked what the investigation was for and what they were looking for. Asked and answered in Dir. Comey's appearance at the House Intel Committee hearing earlier this year.