Obama called slaves "immigrants"

atlkvb

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Your religion is empty and vain.

My Faith is as strong as ever countryroads89, so strong I can still find it in my heart to forgive your foolishness through the power of Christ. I pity you, because without his amazing Grace I'd actually only have nothing but hatred for you.

But I will Pray for your Salvation, and repentance from Sin and I also have enough Faith to know the Lord's word does not return in vain. So I will leave you with Almighty God's Word and hope you find it within yourself to heed his very sage Wisdom


Proverbs 18:2-3 Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions. Doing wrong leads to disgrace, and scandalous behavior brings contempt.

Finally countryroads89 the Word of God says:
Psalm 14:1.
Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!
 
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only have nothing but hatred for you

You have demonstrated that quite well.

This post is rich. You call me practically every name in the book and turn around and quote scripture attempting to vilify me and show me I am going to hell and show how redeemed you are and how you are praying for my salvation. [laughing]
 

atlkvb

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You have demonstrated that quite well.

This post is rich. You call me practically every name in the book and turn around and quote scripture attempting to vilify me and show me I am going to hell and show how redeemed you are and how you are praying for my salvation. [laughing]

you misquoted me countryroads89, but it's OK I know you can't help yourself being so full of hatred.

btw the actual quote was:
''I can still find it in my heart to forgive your foolishness through the power of Christ. I pity you, because without his amazing Grace I'd actually only have nothing but hatred for you".
 

atlkvb

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This post is rich. You call me practically every name in the book and turn around and quote scripture attempting to vilify me and show me I am going to hell and show how redeemed you are and how you are praying for my salvation.

I didn't say you were going to Hell countryroads89, I said according to Almighty God's Word you are a fool.

If you go to Hell, that will be by your choice to continue being what you've been warned not to be, and continuing to not recognize Almighty God's Wisdom which will quite easily keep you from being such as you've been identified by your self deceit and arrogance.
 

TarHeelEer

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Carson could lose 50 IQ points and still be smarter than Obama. Yet the left picks up on something like this, crucifies him and now they learn their anointed one said essentially the same thing. Embarrassing.

He's not a politician. He doesn't think through his statements well, and in some cases, makes some really dumb statements. This statement not included.
 

torontoeers

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My point on Carson's comment is that Canada has lax immigration. It is entirely possible (as evidenced by recent border crossing of Minnesota immigrants into Canada and no, you can keep them) that migrants/refugees/immigrants can gain access to the U.S. by crossing the Canadian/U.S. border. Perhaps that is of concern to him. After all, Obama promised us that our vetting was much, much better than the rest of the worlds (ergo, Canada's is not as good as ours).

Now, one more time, answer my question. No more excuses.
OK...please provide an example or two of Canada's ' lax immigration policy', which has affected the US in a negative manner. You do know both Border Agencies are more interlinked now than ever right? Constantly providing meaningful Intel back and forth.
Perhaps the idiot statement by Carson was him simply pandering to his base...regardless it was cavalier and stupid. Do you feel National Guard troops are warranted on the Northern border? And where will you put them along the thousands of miles it extends? Surely you find this idea a ridiculous waste of time and money don't you?

As for how the media treated Obama in comparison to Carson, perhaps a bias exists, I don't know...however when he lays whoppers like this one out there...well he certainly deserves a bit of ridicule or at least queried on it, no?
 

WVPATX

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OK...please provide an example or two of Canada's ' lax immigration policy', which has affected the US in a negative manner. You do know both Border Agencies are more interlinked now than ever right? Constantly providing meaningful Intel back and forth.
Perhaps the idiot statement by Carson was him simply pandering to his base...regardless it was cavalier and stupid. Do you feel National Guard troops are warranted on the Northern border? And where will you put them along the thousands of miles it extends? Surely you find this idea a ridiculous waste of time and money don't you?

As for how the media treated Obama in comparison to Carson, perhaps a bias exists, I don't know...however when he lays whoppers like this one out there...well he certainly deserves a bit of ridicule or at least queried on it, no?

Obama was the one who said we vet refugees and migrants unlike any other country. He was the one that said it takes 2 to 3 years to go through the process. If Obama's tell me the truth, this means that Canada's policies on immigration or more laxed than ours. If you think he's lying, then give us the facts.

I personally don't feel National Guard is required on the border but perhaps Dr. Carson does. That does not make him stupid or an idiot. You may disagree but I guarantee you he is infinitely smarter than you are.

The US, and for specifically New York City, is a much, much bigger target than anything Canada has to offer.

And your comment that "perhaps a bias exists" either shows your ignorance of the US media or your stupidity.
 
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Keyser76

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Lol, I love it when whitey blacksplains **** to people, I'll leave the Carson critique to my friends of color. Or as Samuel Jackson said it. I missed the "involuntary" part in carsons text, but hey, you guys are in charge, make it happen, lol.
 

Mntneer

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OK...please provide an example or two of Canada's ' lax immigration policy', which has affected the US in a negative manner. You do know both Border Agencies are more interlinked now than ever right? Constantly providing meaningful Intel back and forth.
Perhaps the idiot statement by Carson was him simply pandering to his base...regardless it was cavalier and stupid. Do you feel National Guard troops are warranted on the Northern border? And where will you put them along the thousands of miles it extends? Surely you find this idea a ridiculous waste of time and money don't you?

As for how the media treated Obama in comparison to Carson, perhaps a bias exists, I don't know...however when he lays whoppers like this one out there...well he certainly deserves a bit of ridicule or at least queried on it, no?

Considering traffic cameras on the northern border recently captured these images of illegal activity, the national guard on the northern border may be justified after all.
 

op2

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My Faith is as strong as ever countryroads89, so strong I can still find it in my heart to forgive your foolishness through the power of Christ. I pity you, because without his amazing Grace I'd actually only have nothing but hatred for you.

But I will Pray for your Salvation, and repentance from Sin and I also have enough Faith to know the Lord's word does not return in vain. So I will leave you with Almighty God's Word and hope you find it within yourself to heed his very sage Wisdom


Proverbs 18:2-3 Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions. Doing wrong leads to disgrace, and scandalous behavior brings contempt.

Finally countryroads89 the Word of God says:
Psalm 14:1.
Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good!

"My Faith is as strong as ever countryroads89, so strong I can still find it in my heart to forgive your foolishness through the power of Christ. I pity you, because without his amazing Grace I'd actually only have nothing but hatred for you."

If you need his amazing Grace to prevent you from having nothing but hatred for others then please by all means, keep believing in his amazing Grace.
 

torontoeers

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Obama was the one who said we vet refugees and migrants unlike any other country. He was the one that said it takes 2 to 3 years to go through the process. If Obama's tell me the truth, this means that candidates policies on immigration or more laxed than ours. If you think he's lying, then give us the facts.

I personally don't feel National Guard is required on the border but perhaps Dr. Carson does. That does not make him stupid or an idiot. You may disagree but I guarantee you he is infinitely smarter than you are.

The US, and for specifically New York City, is a much, much bigger target than anything Canada has to offer.

And your comment that "perhaps a bias exists" either shows your ignorance of the US media or your stupidity
You said we had 'lax immigration ' yet offer zero proof other than some kind of quasi end around relating to what Obama said...in fact you've been doing it numerous times in this thread PAX...Complete semantics....whatever....
 

Keyser76

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"My Faith is as strong as ever countryroads89, so strong I can still find it in my heart to forgive your foolishness through the power of Christ. I pity you, because without his amazing Grace I'd actually only have nothing but hatred for you."

If you need his amazing Grace to prevent you from having nothing but hatred for others then please by all means, keep believing in his amazing Grace.
They think God is on their side, that didn't work for General Lee either!
 

WVPATX

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You said we had 'lax immigration ' yet offer zero proof other than some kind of quasi end around relating to what Obama said...in fact you've been doing it numerous times in this thread PAX...Complete semantics....whatever....

It is lax when compared to ours therefore Carson may be justifiably concerned. The proof I offer is based on what our President told us. Is he lying? Also, Your PM says so:

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau embraced refugees, also temporarily prohibited from entering the U.S., making a pointed comment about not discriminating on religious grounds: "To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada"

So you welcome Iranians, the largest state sponsor of terror in the world. You welcome Yemenese where they have no functioning government and therefore no way to vet them. What database do you check if you have no government? Remember, Obama called these countries the most dangerous in the world for a reason.
 
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dave

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Lol, I love it when whitey blacksplains **** to people, I'll leave the Carson critique to my friends of color. Or as Samuel Jackson said it. I missed the "involuntary" part in carsons text, but hey, you guys are in charge, make it happen, lol.
So you are a racist. As if that wasnt obvious.
 

op2

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They think God is on their side, that didn't work for General Lee either!

That reminds me of this song fro the late 1980s on the World Party album "Goodbye Jumbo," which was a pretty great album. (World Party was basically just one guy, Karl Wallinger, so props to Karl for the album.)

 

torontoeers

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That reminds me of this song fro the late 1980s on the World Party album "Goodbye Jumbo," which was a pretty great album. (World Party was basically just one guy, Karl Wallinger, so props to Karl for the album.)


Ship Of Fool's could also easily apply it seems...enjoyed World Party...
 

dave

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Lol, you are some dumb ****ers on here that is for sure. If you have to tell folks ya ain't racist or they are racist but your not, your probably a bit racist.
Another logical breakthrough by a really stupid liberal.
 

Popeer

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Carson could lose 50 IQ points and still be smarter than Obama.
[roll]

Ben Carson is proof that you don't have to be smart to be a brain surgeon. Both statements were pretty silly to refer to slaves as immigrants.

Here's what Obama said: ... those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves.

And here's what Carson said: There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.
 

dave

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[roll]

Ben Carson is proof that you don't have to be smart to be a brain surgeon. Both statements were pretty silly to refer to slaves as immigrants.

Here's what Obama said: ... those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves.

And here's what Carson said: There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less.
I dont think either comment is silly. Ithink the reaction to them is silly.
 

Popeer

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I dont think either comment is silly. Ithink the reaction to them is silly.
They were silly. Slaves were not "immigrants" -- immigrants come of their own free will. Slaves weren't given a choice.
 

dave

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They were silly. Slaves were not "immigrants" -- immigrants come of their own free will. Slaves weren't given a choice.
They didnt come on their own free will but they did stay when they were freed. I dont see the issue. It is almost like folks want to act like saying that is insulting. At the end of the day through all their tribulation they had a chance to live the America dream....at least the ones who lived long enough.
 

~IRWT~

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Carson is about as non-politician as you can get in a heavily politicized world. He was essentially saying the same thing Obama said. But phrased it in a manner which linear simple minded thinkers get enraged over.

My advice to him would be to stop and think long and hard about anything he's going to say, and then don't say it.

I actually agree with both of their statements.

"a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence."

Obviously slaves were forced to come over in the belly of a ship but the point stands.

They are trying to draw a parallel and don't deserve to be criticized by those whose ancestors had a choice in the matter. Fact is, African-Americas have ancestors that were here from the beginning and confuses me with people with slavic or say Italian sir names names think they have these historic claims that others don't.