Trumpcare
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I do feel sorry for liberals on the board. They defended Obama at every turn. Now, his signature domestic legislation, Obamacare, is going down. His other domestic accomplishments were mostly accomplished through executive orders and will likely go down as well, at least for the most part. Lastly, his regulatory agencies issued many new regulations, which will be dismantled, at least the most important ones.
And we all know his foreign policy has been a failure. Syria. Russian reset. Libya. Iran. Iraq. North Korea. China. Israel (which Trump will fix very, very quickly).
For a guy that promised hope and change, we got lots of change but most of which will be undone. And hope is near all time lows in the U.S. He will become a very inconsequential President.
Trump may follow him and be a failure as well. We will have to wait and see.
And we all know his foreign policy has been a failure. Syria. Russian reset. Libya. Iran. Iraq. North Korea. China. Israel (which Trump will fix very, very quickly).
For a guy that promised hope and change, we got lots of change but most of which will be undone. And hope is near all time lows in the U.S. He will become a very inconsequential President.
Trump may follow him and be a failure as well. We will have to wait and see.
It really is amazing how simple minded these morons really are. Talk about mind boggling.
This is where we see if Congress has any balls. It's time for them to step up to the plate and get some wood on the ball. If they have something better, great I'm all for it. But all we've heard until now is how bad ACA is and that's just whining.
It seems to me that simple minded is passing a partisan law with no support from the opposing party thus ensuring rancor, hostility and opposition. Simple minded is to design a law which is so unpopular and is currently nearing a death spiral, so bad in fact, that Dems admit major changes are needed. Simple minded is to require a mandate with no enforcement mechanism.
From the beginning, GOP wanted NO healthcare plan, wanted healthcare to be carved out in the marketplace. The fact that they are supposedly going to put one together now is only because ACA is there now.
One: it got passed didn't it?
Two: watch, even in repeal congress will have to change the system in place prior to Obamacare.
You missed my point. You don't pass a major piece of legislation like this with no opposition votes. It almost ensures its demise. The opposition will never accept it. And it gets repealed when the opposition gets back into power. Very stupid move on the Dems part.
You second point is correct. It is now up to the GOP to replace Obamacare. But my strong guess is the some Dems vote for the replacement.
Here is my position. Keep ACA in place. Don't repeal it. Fund it for exactly what the DNC lied to all of us and said it would cost. It will either stand on it's own or it won't.
If you were a betting man, what kind of odds would you need to bet that it stays without additional funding?
If you were a betting man, what kind of odds would you need to bet that it stays without additional funding?
Oh the GOP can't wait to parade ACA out in shackles for all to see, then draw and quarter it, then prop its head on the London Bridge to scare the masses. Then four years later after a congressional bloodbath, a plan closely resembling the original ACA will be passed.
I like my plan better. Show what a dogshit piece of legislation it really is and hammer home the point of what happens when you let abject stupidity and emotion drive policy. Just let it completely fail and refuse to save it through bailouts but leave it in place and remind everyone weekly as its happening who the key players were and the ridiculous sound bites they gave.
The reality is, while you all whine and cry about ACA and the GOP having no backup plan, ACA won't last without significantly propping it up financially.
Sounds like a good way to win re-election. I say you convince them all to go for it.
So the whole premise of this thread is spite. Have you lost your mind? It was a neiner neiner neiner, you've bitched, now show us your plan. Absence of a plan does not make ACA any more affordable, workable, or solution oriented. We don't have to have a plan. Your plan failed. Pretty simple. No reason to break the bank bailing stupidity out when slow the approach down and methodically look for a viable solution which is what should have occurred at the onset of Gov't Healthcare.
The whole premise of the thread is "show us something concrete", which the idiot has never done. All through his entire campaign he never offered anything of substance. He used great words like it's going to be great, the economy is going to be wonderful, trust me, believe it, you'll see, blah blah blah.
Did he ever show his tax returns? No.
He has never offered anything of substance. He uses magical phrases the uninformed and uneducated idiots fall for.
Con man.
But it will force change on some level. I'm sure Obama wishes it could be his legacy, but history will at least credit him for forcing a change.
Historians tend to be extremely liberal so I am sure they will judge him in a very, very favorable light however Obamacare has been a disaster. Not sure how you shine that one up.
Amazing knowledge!! wow I've never heard one person say anything bad about Obamacare except for on this board and right wing talking heads. Many millions of Americans are thankful for all or many aspects of it. Republicans want to keep the most popular parts of it. Your hyperbole is over the top as usual but that is like the sun coming up.