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TampaBaySkers

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I'm sure that's true but I casually looked into what it would take to buy a vacation home. The insurance seemed pretty crazy. Maybe it's not a big deal to someone from there. I just can't imagine what people will be paying in 20 years if the trend continues. Didn't there used to basically be 1 big hurricane a decade? Where lately it's been about once every 2 years or so?
Incorrect. Insurance is high because home values doubled in a few years, and the crazy amount of lawsuit/insurance fraud in FL. DeSantis signed a bill to help with lawsuit fraud so hopefully it will bring some insurance companies back to the state
 
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Huskers123456

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"They" made a plug-in hybrid Ford that I bought last year.
I realize they are still out there. When the first Prius's came out I thought, damn, I bet there will be hybrids like that everywhere in 15 years. Gas engines that alternate to battery. 15 years later and it seems everyone forgot about them. I just think that was a better alternative for the majority of Americans at this point in time.

I don't want to plug anything in. I have expensive rural electricity.
 
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I realize they are still out there. When the first Prius's came out I thought, damn, I bet there will be hybrids like that everywhere in 15 years. Gas engines that alternate to battery. 15 years later and it seems everyone forgot about them. I just think that was a better alternative for the majority of Americans at this point in time.

I don't want to plug anything in. I have expensive rural electricity.

Hybrids rule....Toyota (and i'm sure others) have em dialed. Bought one of the first Lexus RX 400's made...damn thing got 25mpg in town. That was what? 18 years ago it seems? We bought a new Volvo that does even better, 28 routinely in town. That's what they should be pushing...and hybrids don't have a leash on em.
 

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It’s expensive now because all these fvcktards fleeing New York and their terrible government and driving up prices here
Same in North Carolina. Literally filling up with NY, NJ, & Penn people. It's ridiculous and a lot of them are bringing their same mindset... I want to tell them, that failed you, try a different mindset.
 

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Hybrids rule....Toyota (and i'm sure others) have em dialed. Bought one of the first Lexus RX 400's made...damn thing got 25mpg in town. That was what? 18 years ago it seems? We bought a new Volvo that does even better, 28 routinely in town. That's what they should be pushing...and hybrids don't have a leash on em.
Exactly. That was my thought. If you got 25 mpg 18 years ago I assumed there would be a big push and that technology would improve a bunch.

I know its shocking to a lot of people but EV's don't work for many Americans.
 

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Debunked huh? Would love to see that literature. Bet my next paycheck I could show such "findings" are traced back to corporate big oil or such nefarious sources. Or a grifter who is in the .01% of the world's scientists who aren't with the overall consensus (also likely paid big bucks to be contrarian for political purposes only - or an idiot no academic institution would touch with a 50' pole).

Very few are calling for everyone to just stop breathing as you seen to imply. But EVs for most consumers needs? A clear duh. Big haul rigs will still be needed... Very few say otherwise. Only a few loonies of the left go there... And nobody actually takes them serious other than Fox "news".

We should switch to nuclear energy across the states? Another betcha. Anything else is idealistic or still in big oils deep pockets.

I'd be right there with ya if we were told to eat crickets over beef. Just so ya know.

But EVs for non industry driving, and fund nuclear uptick over the next 2-3 decades? C'mon man! Embrace the future while we've got one that still resembles the normalcy of today.

Unless of course you're actually getting paid big bucks to argue otherwise. In which case I guess I'd understand, as disappointed as I'd be.
I think you’d be wise to educate yourself a little bit about the huge role of naturally occurring gases (methane) percolating up from the ocean floor into the atmosphere, volcanic activity, etc and then also take into account the variations in solar flare activity, which we have zero control over before losing sleep about cow farts.

You are guilty of climate alarmism. Yep, the climate changes, it always has, so we will adapt.

If I were you, I’d be more concerned about overfishing over prescription of antibiotics, and the loss of topsoil used to grow crops.

It’s pretty funny that people think immigrants are coming here because of climate change. They’re coming here because they live in third world countries which are wildly corrupt and inequitable. They can’t organize themselves into a functioning society, so it does make sense to pack up and move. If I lived in certain parts of certain cities, my reaction would be to get away from the crazies as well.
 

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I'm sure that's true but I casually looked into what it would take to buy a vacation home. The insurance seemed pretty crazy. Maybe it's not a big deal to someone from there. I just can't imagine what people will be paying in 20 years if the trend continues. Didn't there used to basically be 1 big hurricane a decade? Where lately it's been about once every 2 years or so?
One of the bigger problems that Florida can address is the issue of out of control litigation and roofing scams which are rampant. There’s a lot of good source material on that you can find. Addressing these would be a good start. As more companies exit the state, there’s less competition and increased risk among the remaining companies. They're not into this to lose money.
 

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They moved top fast on EV's, IMO. Hybrid's were the answer and they just skipped over them and went straight to EV's. That was a mistake. Millions of people, myself included aren't buying EV's.

All these soccer moms driving mid-sized suv's should be driving hybrids and getting 10 mpg more. Instead they have a tiny percentage of the population driving ev's.
I know. I remember 15 years ago they were talking about small SUVs getting a combined 70 miles per gallon hybrid or a three-quarter ton pickup getting 30 miles per gallon combined . That seemed to make too much sense. I expected Toyota to ramp up from there based on their experience with the Prius platform.
 

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I know. I remember 15 years ago they were talking about small SUVs getting a combined 70 miles per gallon hybrid or a three-quarter ton pickup getting 30 miles per gallon combined . That seemed to make too much sense. I expected Toyota to ramp up from there based on their experience with the Prius platform.
They could have reduced greenhouse gasses by a lot more with hybrids everywhere rather than scattered evs. And I don't think they would have needed to subsidize it as much. Can you imagine how many hybrids would be on the road if they gave some of the incentives they do for ev's?
 

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They could have reduced greenhouse gasses by a lot more with hybrids everywhere rather than scattered evs. And I don't think they would have needed to subsidize it as much. Can you imagine how many hybrids would be on the road if they gave some of the incentives they do for ev's?
Maybe the market will correct itself. Despite the Prius, Toyota is not bullish on EV at all.

They have invested a fortune into hydrogen which sounds good on the surface from a clean perspective, but has a mountain of problems to overcome as well.
 
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Maybe the market will correct itself. Despite the Prius, Toyota is not bullish on EV at all.

They have invested a fortune into hydrogen which sounds good on the surface from a clean perspective, but has a mountain of problems to overcome as well.

Prius (hybrid), and an EV are 2 totally different things. Toyota loves tbeir hybrid and builds and seĺls the **** out of them.
 

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I think you’d be wise to educate yourself a little bit about the huge role of naturally occurring gases (methane) percolating up from the ocean floor into the atmosphere, volcanic activity, etc and then also take into account the variations in solar flare activity, which we have zero control over before losing sleep about cow farts.

You are guilty of climate alarmism. Yep, the climate changes, it always has, so we will adapt.

If I were you, I’d be more concerned about overfishing over prescription of antibiotics, and the loss of topsoil used to grow crops.

It’s pretty funny that people think immigrants are coming here because of climate change. They’re coming here because they live in third world countries which are wildly corrupt and inequitable. They can’t organize themselves into a functioning society, so it does make sense to pack up and move. If I lived in certain parts of certain cities, my reaction would be to get away from the crazies as well.
nice. now if everyone will excuse me i'm going out to look for a large expanse of black top to place my new thermometer and finally get it to warm up around here another 5-10 degrees just like the experts do.
 

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The 99% is pure myth. Its akin to the people who signed off on Hunter's Russian Conspiracy letter - it is political blackmail as all things are. Do you really believe all these "scientists" believe the virus theories or remedies?

First you need to separate out your terms. Is there climate change, the easy answer is yes, and there always has been. If you are a creation or evolutionist - both agree that earth has always and will always change.

The next question is does man influence that? I am a big proponent of taking care of the earth but not worshiping it as we are doing now. God gave it to us along with everything on it and we are to subdue it. We can't control it, that is His responsibility. We are just stewards.

Where was everyone when the earth was covered with ice or water or even had more active volcanoes? Its called nature, we don't control it. But man in his infinite wisdom thinks he can or better, attempts to fleece money from the unsuspecting world in order to redistribute wealth in more equitable way rather than taking it by force.

Scientists can't agree on much unless there is money behind their choice. Consider:

“The world has been chilling sharply for about 20 years,” ecologist Kenneth Watt said in 1970. “If present trends continue, the world will be about 4 degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990 but 11 degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.”

In 1975, C.C. Wallen of the World Meteorological Organization said that “(t)he cooling since 1940 has been large enough and consistent enough that it will not soon be reversed.” Scientist Nigel Calder wrote that “(t)he threat of a new ice age must now stand alongside nuclear war as a likely source of wholesale death and misery for mankind.”

According to the San Jose Mercury News, Brown said that “entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos, said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program.”

“Refugees are expected to move to Antarctica because of the rising temperatures that will see the population of the continent increase to 3.5 million people by 2040,” the Telegraph reported. “As the world fails to act on climate change, researchers predict that global trade will collapse as oil prices break through $400 a barrel and electrical appliances will get automatically turned off when households exceed energy quotas.”

Guess we better get started on the migration. There is tons of this stuff you want to flippantly say 99% of scientists agree on. Rubbish
That stuff was being indoctrinated to us in grade school in the 70s via the weekly reader. A lot of kids were freaked out
 

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nice. now if everyone will excuse me i'm going out to look for a large expanse of black top to place my new thermometer and finally get it to warm up around here another 5-10 degrees just like the experts do.
Great point, and worth mentioning.
 

steinek11

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That stuff was being indoctrinated to us in grade school in the 70s via the weekly reader. A lot of kids were freaked out
Yep, all of the acid, rain horror stories, the Ice Age, the death of the ozone, and the likelihood that the Russians were going to hit us with nuclear bombs. Good times.
 

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I'm sure that's true but I casually looked into what it would take to buy a vacation home. The insurance seemed pretty crazy. Maybe it's not a big deal to someone from there. I just can't imagine what people will be paying in 20 years if the trend continues. Didn't there used to basically be 1 big hurricane a decade? Where lately it's been about once every 2 years or so?
No.
 

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Hope you feel liberated after learning this truth.

"The reproducibility difficulties are not about fraud", according to Dame Ottoline Leyser, director of the Sainsbury Laboratory at the University of Cambridge.

This is the key takeaway from the BBC article imo. Glad to read that some journals and agencies are doing something about the trend too.

So you're not wrong if you were to say that scientists shoot their shot much like anyone else in any industry who has even a bit of ambition as most humans do. But would be if trying to say the science is fraud outright (outside of private corporate research that is - we've seen the fraud committed in those realms like with Exxon knowing about global warming since what, the 70's?).
 

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They moved top fast on EV's, IMO. Hybrid's were the answer and they just skipped over them and went straight to EV's. That was a mistake. Millions of people, myself included aren't buying EV's.

All these soccer moms driving mid-sized suv's should be driving hybrids and getting 10 mpg more. Instead they have a tiny percentage of the population driving ev's.
I actually agree. Nobody should be driving anything short of a hybrid today, except perhaps big rig long haul stuff. I still think EVs work for most the mass of the consumer population, but hybrids should at least be deployed by those who EVs currently can't accommodate properly yet (until the battery tech advances more for range as it seems to be on the cusp of being figured out).
 

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I think you’d be wise to educate yourself a little bit about the huge role of naturally occurring gases (methane) percolating up from the ocean floor into the atmosphere, volcanic activity, etc and then also take into account the variations in solar flare activity, which we have zero control over before losing sleep about cow farts.

You are guilty of climate alarmism. Yep, the climate changes, it always has, so we will adapt.

If I were you, I’d be more concerned about overfishing over prescription of antibiotics, and the loss of topsoil used to grow crops.

It’s pretty funny that people think immigrants are coming here because of climate change. They’re coming here because they live in third world countries which are wildly corrupt and inequitable. They can’t organize themselves into a functioning society, so it does make sense to pack up and move. If I lived in certain parts of certain cities, my reaction would be to get away from the crazies as well.
If I'm guilty of climate alarmism, then I guess that makes you guilty of climate denialism with this hot take 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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I actually agree. Nobody should be driving anything short of a hybrid today, except perhaps big rig long haul stuff. I still think EVs work for most the mass of the consumer population, but hybrids should at least be deployed by those who EVs currently can't accommodate properly yet (until the battery tech advances more for range as it seems to be on the cusp of being figured out).
Go faq yourself. I worked hard to buy a sports car so good luck taking it from me. Oh and I purely use it for driving on nice sunny weekend days just to cruise around. Think I’ll take the top down and go for a long drive right now.. just for you dbag
 

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"The reproducibility difficulties are not about fraud", according to Dame Ottoline Leyser, director of the Sainsbury Laboratory at the University of Cambridge.

This is the key takeaway from the BBC article imo. Glad to read that some journals and agencies are doing something about the trend too.

So you're not wrong if you were to say that scientists shoot their shot much like anyone else in any industry who has even a bit of ambition as most humans do. But would be if trying to say the science is fraud outright (outside of private corporate research that is - we've seen the fraud committed in those realms like with Exxon knowing about global warming since what, the 70's?).
You wanted to be liberated by truth, but you failed.

We could go round and round with data that disproves one of us each time - which should show it's all garbage.

But the coup de grace for climate change/global warming/carbon pollution emissions/etc is that if you pay more taxes it'll go away better or something. What kind of retarded propaganda nonsense is that?

Never mind that ever model is wrong. The data is suspect and the people who are pushing this crap have an agenda. Keep believing.
 

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Go faq yourself. I worked hard to buy a sports car so good luck taking it from me. Oh and I purely use it for driving on nice sunny weekend days just to cruise around. Think I’ll take the top down and go for a long drive right now.. just for you dbag
What’s your sports car Tampa?
 

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You wanted to be liberated by truth, but you failed.

We could go round and round with data that disproves one of us each time - which should show it's all garbage.

But the coup de grace for climate change/global warming/carbon pollution emissions/etc is that if you pay more taxes it'll go away better or something. What kind of retarded propaganda nonsense is that?

Never mind that ever model is wrong. The data is suspect and the people who are pushing this crap have an agenda. Keep believing.
Ah, not coming to the argument in good faith. Understood - truth is subjective in your opinion.

I didn't say anything about taxes, just that everyone should be driving at least a hybrid of not an EV. Hypocritical elites should be held to the same standard as well, and fly electric jets or at least elect to fly by helicopter vs private conventional jets.

We should be building nuclear plants everywhere across the states YESTERDAY. Renewables are good, but will hardly replace coal. I prefer nuance unlike some folks.

But keep thinking fraud abounds when the very article you posted says otherwise lol.
 

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97% of co2 in our atmosphere comes from around 80 active volcanoes worldwide.
of the remaining 3% india and china create 85%.
then the sun acts up with massive solar flares that heat the earth more.
add in the placing of 95% of measuring thermometers on huge blacktops and roofs.
it's a wonder we haven't burned up and all went to hell in a hand basket.
 

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Ah, not coming to the argument in good faith. Understood - truth is subjective in your opinion.

I didn't say anything about taxes, just that everyone should be driving at least a hybrid of not an EV. Hypocritical elites should be held to the same standard as well, and fly electric jets or at least elect to fly by helicopter vs private conventional jets.

We should be building nuclear plants everywhere across the states YESTERDAY. Renewables are good, but will hardly replace coal. I prefer nuance unlike some folks.

But keep thinking fraud abounds when the very article you posted says otherwise lol.
I’ll stick with my two V-8 trucks. How do you expect us to haul horse trailers, boats and such with an EV or a hybrid. Sounds like a fool‘s errand. My 15-year-old son also drives a V-8 truck to school, just don’t see what the problem is with that.
 

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I actually agree. Nobody should be driving anything short of a hybrid today, except perhaps big rig long haul stuff. I still think EVs work for most the mass of the consumer population, but hybrids should at least be deployed by those who EVs currently can't accommodate properly yet (until the battery tech advances more for range as it seems to be on the cusp of being figured out).
Does the nations electrical grid have the necessary capacity to provide for the demands of electrical vehicles? Can we ramp up copper mining 10 fold? This is a fantasy.
 

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If I'm guilty of climate alarmism, then I guess that makes you guilty of climate denialism with this hot take 🤷🏻‍♂️
It’s not hard to see how data is falsified and then look back at all of the ridiculous predictions that were made that did not come true. Oops. It’s not even scientists that are sounding the bell. It’s dummies like King, Charles, Greta, Thunberg, and Alyssa Milano trying to frighten low information folks
 

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97% of co2 in our atmosphere comes from around 80 active volcanoes worldwide.
of the remaining 3% india and china create 85%.
then the sun acts up with massive solar flares that heat the earth more.
add in the placing of 95% of measuring thermometers on huge blacktops and roofs.
it's a wonder we haven't burned up and all went to hell in a hand basket.
For sure, there's an accumulative effect at play that can't be overlooked. But aside from natural sources, it's not all just India and China as far as mankind's industrial contributions...The US both by it's large driving population/lack of public transportation infrastructure and companies that offshore those jobs to China contributes directly as well.

As the still leader of the free world, we could do so much more by leading by example as a nation within the global community in this endeavor.

An overlooked upside to going mostly hybrids and EVs, and going renewables heavy and especially nuclear (nearly fully weening ourselves off of fossil fuels) - Russia and China take the backseat in geopolitics real hard.

Foreign policy win for the US and West in general if the transition can be achieved before those two plus Iran get too big of a head to take their current malignant activities to their logical extremes 👍