Insane Fact - Puts Things In Perspective

rgrachek

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I don't think Mickey can do this. He's been coaching for 20 years in systems that looking nothing like 90's Nebraska. Most of his experience is in the south with super talented rosters that run modern offenses. And, if hired, he's going to assemble a staff of coaches that come from various place, none of which resemble 90s Nebraska. If you really want Nebraska to "go back in time" we simply need to hire the coach with an existing staff that is already coaching and winning with a dedication to the run and physical defense. Who would that be? I don't know. I just don't see Mickey doing it, because that's not what he's been coaching for 20 years.
I don't see him doing it either. All I was saying is Mickey as HC with this system is way better than bringing in a "proven" coach who runs the same old system we have been running for the last 6 years.
 

TheNewNU_rivals50820

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I definitely think you have a point. On the one hand if Trev is SERIOUSLY considering hiring MJ then I guess sure, make him the interim. Maybe Trev is being calculating and he knows that MJ is the kinda guy that will build public support. But if he ends up hiring someone else after 70% of these fans fall in love with MJ, then all he did was turn up the heat on the skillet without realizing he was cooking his own ***.
I dont think anyone is gonna love him when we lose 56-10 Saturday.
 

SuperBigFan

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Hey man, we’d be lucky if that unemployed guy would come back and tell us all how we shouldn’t care, and that he’s a great defensive mind. Never mind that he owns the majority of the worst defensive performances in team history, those were just flukes! Flukes I say! Let’s bring back Bo!
So you do want him back? Usually you seem like you don't like him.
 

bigboxes

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Hey man, we’d be lucky if that unemployed guy would come back and tell us all how we shouldn’t care, and that he’s a great defensive mind. Never mind that he owns the majority of the worst defensive performances in team history, those were just flukes! Flukes I say! Let’s bring back Bo!
Wisconsin just scored again!
 

bigboxes

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I don't think Mickey can do this. He's been coaching for 20 years in systems that looking nothing like 90's Nebraska. Most of his experience is in the south with super talented rosters that run modern offenses. And, if hired, he's going to assemble a staff of coaches that come from various place, none of which resemble 90s Nebraska. If you really want Nebraska to "go back in time" we simply need to hire the coach with an existing staff that is already coaching and winning with a dedication to the run and physical defense. Who would that be? I don't know. I just don't see Mickey doing it, because that's not what he's been coaching for 20 years.
90s Nebraska ain't coming back. Ever. Osborne himself said he would have changed to a spread offense. TO could win in any era. He was smart, knew how to motivate people, and wasn't afraid of change.
 

rgrachek

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90s Nebraska ain't coming back. Ever. Osborne himself said he would have changed to a spread offense. TO could win in any era. He was smart, knew how to motivate people, and wasn't afraid of change.
OK, lets just keep doing what we're doing!

Jesus, a power running game with some option and play action passing. What the hell is so hard about that and why do you cling to the current failure? Tell me why that's easier to defend than 4 WRs and the shotgun.
 

Lincoln100

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I think an equally worse stat was the one from the MN game. 0-34 after being behind by 10 or more. 34 games in a row. How far does that go back? Quite a way probably and this is MN.

As soon as the announcer said it, I knew we were going to screw it up.

We just keep finding ways to set the wrong records in a major way. If Jim Harbaugh is not nice Saturday, we may see some other offensive rushing records be broken.
Yes, it was very frost-esque
 

Lincoln100

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I dont think anyone is gonna love him when we lose 56-10 Saturday.
I think they will. Most driving the narrative don't care about the results (or if they do, easy to blame Frost, Whipple, whoever). It will still be "kids love him, he's a straight-shooter, he's a great recruiter, he loves Nebraska, name someone else who is guaranteed to make us great not named Urb."
 

bigboxes

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OK, lets just keep doing what we're doing!

Jesus, a power running game with some option and play action passing. What the hell is so hard about that and why do you cling to the current failure? Tell me why that's easier to defend than 4 WRs and the shotgun.
Osborne would win today with a modern offense. Others success has nothing to do with our failures.
 

dinglefritz

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It sucks that we had an AD that was such a ***** that he could not handle working with Bo so he canned him.
IF Tom would have shown some sack and fired Bo when he refused to can Carl, Tom could have prevented this whole mess. Tom had cause that no court would argue with and he deferred. There wouldn’t have been a Riley hire.
 

SuperBigFan

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IF Tom would have shown some sack and fired Bo when he refused to can Carl, Tom could have prevented this whole mess. Tom had cause that no court would argue with and he deferred. There wouldn’t have been a Riley hire.
Imagine a world where Mike Riley never coaches at NU??? Those 3 years still don't seem real.

I did kind of like Banker though.
 

WHCSC

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I think they will. Most driving the narrative don't care about the results (or if they do, easy to blame Frost, Whipple, whoever). It will still be "kids love him, he's a straight-shooter, he's a great recruiter, he loves Nebraska, name someone else who is guaranteed to make us great not named Urb."
MJ is loved in the same way a walk-on from outstate Nebraska is loved
 

mgbreeze

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90s Nebraska ain't coming back. Ever. Osborne himself said he would have changed to a spread offense. TO could win in any era. He was smart, knew how to motivate people, and wasn't afraid of change.
I don't know, I don't want to be an argumentative prick, but I'm not sure how much I'd agree that he embraced change. I know he has said stuff about the spread, but ultimately I still think he'd be running the ball until it didn't work and then I think he'd run it some more. His guiding principle would still be to bend other teams to our will physically, something that hasn't been true around here for a LONG time.
 

ivan brunetti

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I think there are still so many bowls that 5-7 can get you an invitation.

So, there is still Husker hope!
 

fivewords

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Imagine a world where Mike Riley never coaches at NU??? Those 3 years still don't seem real.

I did kind of like Banker though.

nebraska is one more bad coaching hire away from being Colorado. Your already the Indiana basketball of football, but your teetering on becoming Colorado football. BoB could stop that from happening. Rhule probably would too. Freeze would have nebraska in the first B1G championship game within two years. Our division is weak and there for the taking ... until pods that is, but that could end up being even easier for us.
 

fivewords

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I think there are still so many bowls that 5-7 can get you an invitation.

So, there is still Husker hope!
Getting to 5 is still laughable. The Iowa-nebraska game will be a fluffer, but the other two are bending nebraska over
 

bigboxes

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I don't know, I don't want to be an argumentative prick, but I'm not sure how much I'd agree that he embraced change. I know he has said stuff about the spread, but ultimately I still think he'd be running the ball until it didn't work and then I think he'd run it some more. His guiding principle would still be to bend other teams to our will physically, something that hasn't been true around here for a LONG time.
Osborne started off as a pro style oc/HC at NU. He was always evolving. He said he would have gone to a spread offense if he had not retired. I'm convinced he would have been successful in whatever offense he ran.
 

SuperBigFan

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nebraska is one more bad coaching hire away from being Colorado. Your already the Indiana basketball of football, but your teetering on becoming Colorado football. BoB could stop that from happening. Rhule probably would too. Freeze would have nebraska in the first B1G championship game within two years. Our division is weak and there for the taking ... until pods that is, but that could end up being even easier for us.
Hmmmm...sounds like you are trying to pretend to be a Husker fan?
 

8990

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Our problems post-Osborne can be directly linked to a down tick in recruiting. Solich did well so long as he coached Osborne's recruits. But he and his staff did not recruit well and the downward slide began in 2002 exactly four years after he took over. You could already see it a bit in 2001 despite our good record which was more the product of one truly exceptional player -- Crouch -- than it was excellence across the board which is why we got exposed by CU and then Miami at the end. But Solich should have been retained if for no other reason that firing him ended the reign of college football's most unique offense which fit well with Nebraska. It was our damn identity and firing Solich killed that identity.

Callahan recruited very well and should have been retained but forced to fire Cosgrove. I truly think his recruiting could have gotten us somewhere since he was an excellent offensive line coach and offensive coach in general. And in the year he was fired he had some big time offensive line commits lined up who bailed. All that was missing was defensive coaching. Callahan was the victim of the fact that he took over a mere seven years post-Osborne and so the long shadow of the 90's and the expectations that era raised was still in force.

Pelini's staff was decent but not great at recruiting which is why all of his teams were just "decent" but got boat raced by the very good teams. And even his defense became very average once he lost Callahan's recruits (Suh anyone?) Suh was yet another example of Callahan's excellent recruiting. One of the best defensive lineman in the history of the game.

Riley and Frost both had early success at recruiting but mainly with skill position players. Both coaches failed miserably to recruit high level elite lineman on both sides of the ball.

Our next coach and his staff must be elite recruiters. If they aren't then we will be right back here in three to four years having this same conversation.
No, Callahan was the victim of getting blown out on a regular basis.
 
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Vince Lombardi ain’t saving the Huskers now. It’s Nebraska and nobody’s coming unless paid. Get that billionaire to throw out some major cash and maybe you can get good enough to again compete against some of the Big Ten West teams. It’s just reality.
 

phoenix4nu

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Vince Lombardi ain’t saving the Huskers now. It’s Nebraska and nobody’s coming unless paid. Get that billionaire to throw out some major cash and maybe you can get good enough to again compete against some of the Big Ten West teams. It’s just reality.
Iowa sucks. That’s reality.
 

bshirt73

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I don't think Mickey can do this. He's been coaching for 20 years in systems that looking nothing like 90's Nebraska. Most of his experience is in the south with super talented rosters that run modern offenses. And, if hired, he's going to assemble a staff of coaches that come from various place, none of which resemble 90s Nebraska. If you really want Nebraska to "go back in time" we simply need to hire the coach with an existing staff that is already coaching and winning with a dedication to the run and physical defense. Who would that be? I don't know. I just don't see Mickey doing it, because that's not what he's been coaching for 20 years.

That's downright scary partner. But your post forces me to change my mind. Thank you for your insight sir!
 

redli33

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Yeah, it would be really hard to hire him if they end the season on a 5-6 game losing streak.
He had a great opportunity, it's not entirely his fault because he was handed such a bad situation...but to get the job he had to do more with it than he has. It sucks, but he needed to get bowl eligible at least to be taken seriously as a candidate.
 

salsa red

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Fans are the only thing keeping NU relevant. The admin and egghead academics at the university probably hated football forever.
 

bshirt73

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I don't know, I don't want to be an argumentative prick, but I'm not sure how much I'd agree that he embraced change. I know he has said stuff about the spread, but ultimately I still think he'd be running the ball until it didn't work and then I think he'd run it some more. His guiding principle would still be to bend other teams to our will physically, something that hasn't been true around here for a LONG time.

Lol!! That's for damn sure as it's fluffball that so very, very many want. Of course we just keep being a losing machine but boatloads of our fans still want more of it.

God help us.
 

steinek11

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I don't know, I don't want to be an argumentative prick, but I'm not sure how much I'd agree that he embraced change. I know he has said stuff about the spread, but ultimately I still think he'd be running the ball until it didn't work and then I think he'd run it some more. His guiding principle would still be to bend other teams to our will physically, something that hasn't been true around here for a LONG time.
That's the beauty of football. A prolific passing game is fun, but if your passing sucks, you better have something to fall back on. TO trusted his ability to move the ball on the ground while minimizing mistakes and eating up clock. When he got a lead, he forced the other team to change what they wanted to do in order to catch up.

Conversely, in the times we ran up against a good opponent, we worried that we couldn't play catch up with a ground control game. There's simply wasn't enough time in the game.

Modern offenses that spread out the field and rely on great players making things happen in the open field with quick score ability is desirable.

The reason I would favor a run first mentality is because quarterback play is so spotty everywhere. In the NCAA or the NFL, it seems there are never more than 10 guys in either that can really sling it. We've never come close to having a really good passer short of Zac. Taylor.

But dynamic runners who are serviceable passers are more readily available. Same concept. Get them into space and chew up yards with their feet or the guy they are pitching it to. It's never bothered me that the pros turn up their nose at old Nebraska football. Just win
 

moralvictories

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That's the beauty of football. A prolific passing game is fun, but if your passing sucks, you better have something to fall back on. TO trusted his ability to move the ball on the ground while minimizing mistakes and eating up clock. When he got a lead, he forced the other team to change what they wanted to do in order to catch up.

Conversely, in the times we ran up against a good opponent, we worried that we couldn't play catch up with a ground control game. There's simply wasn't enough time in the game.

Modern offenses that spread out the field and rely on great players making things happen in the open field with quick score ability is desirable.

The reason I would favor he focused run first mentality is because quarterback play is so spotty. In the NCAA or the NFL, it seems there are never more than 10 guys in either that can really sling it. We've never come close to having a really good passer short of Zac. Taylor.

But dynamic runners who are serviceable passers are more readily available. Same concept. Get them into space and chew up yards with their feet or the guy they are pitching it to. It's never bothered me that the pros turn up their nose at old Nebraska football. Just win
The biggest problem is, we can't move the ball on the ground consistently. That's why we are forced to be "pass happy" because our running game isn't effective.
 

steinek11

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The biggest problem is, we can't move the ball on the ground consistently. That's why we are forced to be "pass happy" because our running game isn't effective.
Sure, our current line is very suspect. Equally bad at run blocking and pass protection. But given a choice, those guys want to be moving forward and putting guys on their butt.

I'd love to be strong here. Tackling is so poor in the NCAAs. This explains a lot of Kansas State's success. They are committed to a street fight every play. Most teams want no part of that.
 

mgbreeze

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That's the beauty of football. A prolific passing game is fun, but if your passing sucks, you better have something to fall back on. TO trusted his ability to move the ball on the ground while minimizing mistakes and eating up clock. When he got a lead, he forced the other team to change what they wanted to do in order to catch up.

Conversely, in the times we ran up against a good opponent, we worried that we couldn't play catch up with a ground control game. There's simply wasn't enough time in the game.

Modern offenses that spread out the field and rely on great players making things happen in the open field with quick score ability is desirable.

The reason I would favor a run first mentality is because quarterback play is so spotty everywhere. In the NCAA or the NFL, it seems there are never more than 10 guys in either that can really sling it. We've never come close to having a really good passer short of Zac. Taylor.

But dynamic runners who are serviceable passers are more readily available. Same concept. Get them into space and chew up yards with their feet or the guy they are pitching it to. It's never bothered me that the pros turn up their nose at old Nebraska football. Just win
I'm a baseball guy and I love the way smart teams "exploit inefficiencies" i.e. do something different than what everyone else is doing. There are very few teams that are truly committed to a run first mentality. I question whether Nebraska is ever really going to be successful doing the same thing as everyone else. Maybe.
 

rgrachek

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Imagine a world where Mike Riley never coaches at NU??? Those 3 years still don't seem real.

I did kind of like Banker though.
You know what's really scary? We brought Frost in here to replace Riley, and Frost's best year was about the same as Riley's worst year. Riley actually had us in a bowl game 2 of 3 years. Riley beat Michigan State towards the end of a season when they were ranked #6 and barely lost to Iowa when they were #3. Riley actually won a bowl game. That's how low we are now.
 

steinek11

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I'm a baseball guy and I love the way smart teams "exploit inefficiencies" i.e. do something different than what everyone else is doing. There are very few teams that are truly committed to a run first mentality. I question whether Nebraska is ever really going to be successful doing the same thing as everyone else. Maybe.
We've been trying for 20 something years. That's a big enough sample size for me.