No more blackshirts

dand84

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Deserved is not the tradition. The tradition is we gave the starters the black jerseys. You didn't win it for play. You got it because you were named the starter. That was it.
i’m gonna disagree a bit. You definitely got it for your individual play and could lose it just as easily. Every week you had to earn it as a starter. It was tied to you as a player and your depth chart position.

maybe you meant team play? I agree with that.

As the years have rolled on, it has turned into something else being handed out in some ceremony and being tied somewhat to team defense.
 

SuperBigFan

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I don't think anyone has a REAL problem with it, but like others have said, it is tradition that it was just something the starters wore.

Generally, for teams you have two categories

Tradition
Goals

Tradition are the repeated things that have happened over time: Blackshirts, yelling out GOOOOOO BIIIIIIG REEEEEED on the streets, bars and in the game. Flying hotdogs, (the new 3rd Q light show, that is not a tradition yet, but looks like thy ar trying to make it one)

Goals are things that you aspire to reach. Holding a team under 100 yards rushing, holding them to less than 20 points, scoring more than 30 points, no flags, no turnovers. Things that are measured.

You can argue that they are living up to the blackshirt tradition but then we would need to know what that standard is, is it yards, points, wins, what?

But that is not the case, it was just something for the starting 11 guys on D.
 

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i’m gonna disagree a bit. You definitely got it for your individual play and could lose it just as easily. Every week you had to earn it as a starter. It was tied to you as a player and your depth chart position.

maybe you meant team play? I agree with that.

As the years have rolled on, it has turned into something else being handed out in some ceremony and being tied somewhat to team defense.
I never said you couldn't lose them. Yes, someone else could be named the starter and then they would get the blackshirt. It's not that hard. THAT'S how you motivate. Take away the starting position and give it to someone else. Not take away the practice jersey. You earn the the starting position. The jersey just comes along with it.
 

Redscarlet

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I don't think anyone has a REAL problem with it, but like others have said, it is tradition that it was just something the starters wore.

Generally, for teams you have two categories

Tradition
Goals

Tradition are the repeated things that have happened over time: Blackshirts, yelling out GOOOOOO BIIIIIIG REEEEEED on the streets, bars and in the game. Flying hotdogs, (the new 3rd Q light show, that is not a tradition yet, but looks like thy ar trying to make it one)

Goals are things that you aspire to reach. Holding a team under 100 yards rushing, holding them to less than 20 points, scoring more than 30 points, no flags, no turnovers. Things that are measured.

You can argue that they are living up to the blackshirt tradition but then we would need to know what that standard is, is it yards, points, wins, what?

But that is not the case, it was just something for the starting 11 guys on D.
You forgot red balloons after the first score of the game for NU.. That tradition been around longer then handing out the Blackshirts..
 
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SuperBigFan

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You forgot red balloons after the first score of the game for NU.. That tradition been around longer then handing out the Blackshirts..
Damn helium shortage! (Oh and crazy college dorks that complained about turtles or birds...losers)
 

dinglefritz

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When the blackshirts were first introduced the players had to earn then every week, so if you played like crap against Kansas you di have it for the next game
So at this point I think it’s safe to say these guys have some provin to do. Good decision
 

Redmich

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If they need to be earned - in the future what is the minimum number of games that should be played before they are awarded?

surely performance against nonpower 5 teams shouldn’t count

probably should wait until 5-6 games have been played each season before one can adequately assess if they have been properly earned
 

BleedRed78

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I never said you couldn't lose them. Yes, someone else could be named the starter and then they would get the blackshirt. It's not that hard. THAT'S how you motivate. Take away the starting position and give it to someone else. Not take away the practice jersey. You earn the the starting position. The jersey just comes along with it.
That's how I'd do it if I was the coach. Starter? Blackshirt. Sucking lately and you get benched? Next man up gets your Blackshirt. Prove me wrong, earn it back and nab it from the guy.

Anything more it's just silly. I wish they didn't do away with them. Defense is finally geling...
 

nostromo78

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ITS F$%KING EMBARRASSING! *kicks trash can*

I have been embarrassed each and every time the TV guys talk about the 'blackshirts' and our defense. Its kind of like putting lipstick on a pig. The last time we had a true blackshirt defense was when Suh and David were on the field. Possibly for a few years after. Those teams were hosed because the offense was so bad. What we have had since Riley and Frost got here do not resemble blackshirt defenses this school had come to be known for. Yeah, we can keep handing these out to the 1st teamers, and Im sure it means a lot to them, but its all just been so bad for so long.

If we start shutting teams down, go on a run and win some games with some great defense, Im 100% sure those blackshirts come back.
 

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I'm assuming now during practice the defense wears white and the offense wears red so when they scrimmage they can tell who is in offense and who is on D? Or does the D wear some other color mesh jersey? Like the green shirts.
 
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what other long standing traditions should cease when the team isn’t very good

take the horseshoe down?
do away with the tunnel walk?
Take the N off the helmets?
Million dollar question... WHO made this a tradition. The coaches started it as the starters on defenses because all the gold pullovers were sold out. During the defensive hay day, the media picked up on it and ran with it. Did the coaches make this a status symbol and create the myth or was it the fans and media? The Silver Bullets of tOSU Buckeyes are no more as well.

MJ is clearing the distractions and trying to get back to fundamentals, this is a great first step. IF MJ is retained he can then put the parameters to the Black Shirts, if not, he may have made it easier for the new regime to make the changes.
 

inWV

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The black shirt tradition was started during Devaney. Black mesh shirts were bought by Mike Corgan, who apparently got a good deal on them because the black color didn't sell well. It started as a way to tell defensive from offensive players after the shift to the 2-platoon system.
 

dand84

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If they need to be earned - in the future what is the minimum number of games that should be played before they are awarded?

surely performance against nonpower 5 teams shouldn’t count

probably should wait until 5-6 games have been played each season before one can adequately assess if they have been properly earned
I think that is the wrong approach. If you are going to have blackshirts, they should be what they have always been: 1st team practice jerseys. The tradition exists because the Blackshirts used to beat the snot out of the opposition every Saturday, win or lose, for 30ish years, not because we want them to be some kind of faux participation trophy. After you played Nebraska, you felt it.
 

Redmich

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I wonder if the players have been instructed that throwing the bones is forbidden until further notice
 

Wasker77

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what other long standing traditions should cease when the team isn’t very good

take the horseshoe down?
do away with the tunnel walk?
Take the N off the helmets?
I think you are comparing apples to oranges. The horseshoe represents good luck, the tunnel walk is way to get the crowd pumped up and to celebrate the start of the game and the N is a symbol of the university and state. A Blackshirt denotes excellence. It originally was just the color of the shirt the defensive starters wore in practice. It evolved into a symbol of excellence. Blackshirts at one time had a standard of greatness. The last several years I think they have been handed out like candy. I think many, certainly not all players, had a sense of entitlement that was undeserved.
 

dinglefritz

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I don't think anyone has a REAL problem with it, but like others have said, it is tradition that it was just something the starters wore.

Generally, for teams you have two categories

Tradition
Goals

Tradition are the repeated things that have happened over time: Blackshirts, yelling out GOOOOOO BIIIIIIG REEEEEED on the streets, bars and in the game. Flying hotdogs, (the new 3rd Q light show, that is not a tradition yet, but looks like thy ar trying to make it one)

Goals are things that you aspire to reach. Holding a team under 100 yards rushing, holding them to less than 20 points, scoring more than 30 points, no flags, no turnovers. Things that are measured.

You can argue that they are living up to the blackshirt tradition but then we would need to know what that standard is, is it yards, points, wins, what?

But that is not the case, it was just something for the starting 11 guys on D.
I know it when I see it. A half against a crappy team isn’t enough. 4 quarters every game then let’s talk.
 

dinglefritz

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The black shirt tradition was started during Devaney. Black mesh shirts were bought by Mike Corgan, who apparently got a good deal on them because the black color didn't sell well. It started as a way to tell defensive from offensive players after the shift to the 2-platoon system.
Didn’t he run down to Kip’s Sporting Goods and all he had enough of was black? Otherwise all of our practice jerseys were the same color.
 

inWV

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Didn’t he run down to Kip’s Sporting Goods and all he had enough of was black? Otherwise all of our practice jerseys were the same color.
Apparently Corgan was a bargain shopper, the store had a lot of black ones cause they didn't sell well and they cut him a deal.
 

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I go back and forth over this. I think next coach just needs to be consistent on this. Bo's idea was good in theory but we seemed to play bad everytime they got handed out. If we want to go the OG route stick with that and do not take them away unless someone is getting moved to second string.

If we want to turn them into some sort of individual thing like 5th year senior who get's playing time and the best/dominate players on the team. Then do that.

I would leave that up to the next coach. Just like if they want to do a new tunnel walk song every week or keep it the way it was. Or if they even want a 4th quarter song to leave it up to the coach.
 

Redscarlet

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Didn’t he run down to Kip’s Sporting Goods and all he had enough of was black? Otherwise all of our practice jerseys were the same color.
Apparently Corgan was a bargain shopper, the store had a lot of black ones cause they didn't sell well and they cut him a deal.
It wasn’t Mike Corgan it was George Kelly who bought them because the owner said he couldn’t get any takers for these black jerseys and George said I’ll take them..
 

dinglefritz

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It wasn’t Mike Corgan it was George Kelly who bought them because the owner said he couldn’t get any takers for these black jerseys and George said I’ll take them..
Thank God he didn’t just have a bunch of pink ones…….
 

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I'm glad Joseph did this, the message needed to be sent. The true meaning of the Blackshirts is really nothing more than saving some cash dating back to the early sixties. Head coach Bob Devaney ensured the two squads would be visually distinguishable during practice by having the offense and defense wear contrasting colors.

Assistant coach Mike Corgan was tasked with obtaining the new jerseys. The sporting goods store he visited reportedly gave him a good deal on black, because the color had not been selling well. The new jerseys were assigned to be worn by the defense.

As the Nebraska Defense became nationally recognized for it's play the defensive starters became known as the Blackshirts and it stuck. Nebraska hasn't really played up to Blackshirt standards since 2009 when Ndamukong Suh last played for Nebraska, it's become diluted over the years. Sometimes you need to tear down and rebuild and that's case as far as Joseph is most likely convinced of.

You know Joseph is really trying to light a fire under the defenses butts and I don't blame him one bit because a black jersey is meaningless if the player is not up to the past standards. Now if only we could figure out how to fix our OL issues we might have a good year going forward.

 

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It wasn’t Mike Corgan it was George Kelly who bought them because the owner said he couldn’t get any takers for these black jerseys and George said I’ll take them..
I'm not sure it was Kelly got them cheaper, I think it may have been because the black mesh wasn't selling well it was the only color they had 11 of in stock.
 

Redscarlet

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I'm not sure it was Kelly got them cheaper, I think it may have been because the black mesh wasn't selling well it was the only color they had 11 of in stock.
You may be right, but I know the seller couldn’t get rid of them…Remember George Kelly telling the story and it might be on the DVD Coach Devaney..
 

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Mickey's doing the right thing here. He realizes this program is needing to be rebuilt from the foundation up. If the Blackshirts need to remain in the closet until the culture is reestablished, so be it. Raise the bar.
 

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I guess “ long standing” Is a relative term 🤣🤣 When I first started going to home games from the late 70s through the early 90s I don’t remember tunnel walks or blackshirts.

I moved away 93-94 and back in ‘98 (yes, I missed all those title runs). Blackshirts are what the 1st team starters used to wear at practice and I don’t remember people talking about them all that much.

I think most of the traditions we know now started in the mid-90s. I think Callahan was the coach when they turned it into a hand out thing.
The hell…

I don’t really care about this decision, but what is everyone talking about in this thread? The Blackshirts go all the way back to the 1960s. It was started under Bob Devaney and by the time I started following Husker football in the early 1980s it was already a HUGE thing and a great source of pride for the program and the fans. I remember having t-shirts with blackshirts on it when I was like, 6 or 7. Even back then it was considered one of the best traditions in all of college football.

Now the tunnel walk and all that started fairly recently as I don’t remember that when I was a kid or even when I went to my first Husker game in 1989. But the blackshirts? They are as much a part of college football lore as anything else.

Some of y’all need to study up on Nebraska football history, holy crap 😄
 

Redmich

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Given the state of strength and conditioning I certainly hope any mention, stadium chants, signage and merchandise in relation to Husker power are indefinitely suspended
 

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who cares, just give me a sound fundamental team with great play calls and great effort.
in the deed, the glory
 

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im a big mickey fan but this is really making me question him
Why would this make you question Mickey? You were a an over the top Frost supporter even with all the losing and embarrassing management of the program he provided. But you question this? You might need to reevaluate what is actually important to get this program out of the cellar.
 

Redmich

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If Mike Riley had decided to do away with the blackshirts for the majority of a season I suspect it would have been met with widespread condemnation

Often people’s opinions are influenced more by who made a decision rather than the actual decision
 
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Redscarlet

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If Mike Riley had decided to do away with the blackshirts for the majority of a season I suspect it would have been met with widespread condemnation

Often people’s opinions are influenced more by who made a decision rather than the actual decision
Two totally different circumstances, Mickey played for Nebraska, Riley didn’t.. Now if you would have posted what if Scott Frost decided to do away with the blackshirts for the majority of the season would it have been met with widespread condemnation..
 

Redmich

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Two totally different circumstances, Mickey played for Nebraska, Riley didn’t.. Now if you would have posted what if Scott Frost decided to do away with the blackshirts for the majority of the season would it have been met with widespread condemnation..
Why does who a head coach played for have any bearing on whether a decision made decades removed from their playing days has any merit?
 

Redscarlet

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Why does who a head coach played for have any bearing on whether a decision made decades removed from their playing days has any merit?
For one thing before you go there, just because their not returning for this season doesn’t not mean if he is the head coach next year he won’t be using the tradition next season..

You have your opinion on the subject I have mine, but having the fact he actually played here means more than some hoody Doody or ex NFL coach rid of them..