I don’t think it’s in the plans at all to hire any new assistant coaches. They’re just going to roll with what they have.
Chinander has been fired
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Nebraska is currently 128th in defense.
Riley’s last season Nebraska finished with the 94th ranked defense.
Callahan’s last season Nebraska finished with the 113th ranked defense.
The defense was never “good” under Chins.
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Riley’s last season Nebraska finished with the 94th ranked defense.
Callahan’s last season Nebraska finished with the 113th ranked defense.
The defense was never “good” under Chins.
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well, it's his right to do what he wants I guess.. let's see how it plays out.. the whole thing hurts bad enough, that I have to look at it as one big joke anymore.. sad, but I don't know how else to process it.
I get that.
If Mickey Joseph fired every underperforming coach on our staff, he would be all alone. I don’t see how that helps us.
how many of those 128 play that aggressive style of defense, vs something like what Iowa would play?
Point is, for that scheme, he actually did a good job with it.
Never was a fan of Frost's/Chins scheme to begin with.. it was always no fear of failure to hurry up and get the ball back to the offense for this tempo based scoring explosion that never happened.
This is what I don't understand. Why wasn't it the right decision? This is on track to being the worse defense I have ever seen at NU. What does MJ have to lose? All I know is this defense is definitely not working. That falls in chin.
I think a lot goes into the day to day role of the defensive coordinator. He was also familiar to the players in that role. Even if he wasn’t performing well, he was still a coach. I think this just destabilizes our program more, and we can’t actually replace him with anyone good because it is September and Joseph’s hopes of taking over are hanging by a thread.
But the mob is momentarily appeased, so there is that.
I'm going to laugh my *** off if Bo Pelini comes walking in on Monday and says.. "I'm Back MFers!!!"
This is not mob mentality. I don't agree with that. How can we justify the performances of GS and this week with a ridiculous scheme against Oklahoma. He is putting his players in horrendous situations. It's really unbelievable.
it's not love for Chins.. quit being dumb.
now you don't have a defensive coordinator.. wtf is so hard to understand?
you have a special teams guy who is going to try to coach up your d?
how does that make the head coaches job easier??
if you can't understand this, nothing I can say will help you.
They fired Frost. You should at least be a little happy. I hate this losing, too. But how TF can it get any worse? If anything, we're seeing if Mickey is up for the head coach job. Not that he'll win a lot of games. If he doesn't prove to be worthy by the end of the season, then we still keep him on staff and we hire someone else.
why not fire Rioala and Ruud, and Dawson too? Fire everyone.. that's how we will win more!
PS. I was happy about firing Frost. But what MJ is doing now, just puts himself into a deeper hole
I want to see Mickey try to win and not just continue on the same. It hasn't been working. Frost wouldn't make any changes. Joseph has. Like I said, why not? And I did read out your well reasoned response. I like that MIckey is trying anything to win. He won't get the job just standing pat.
Well all three of those coaches are pretty terrible, so it probably wouldn't hurt too much.
Literally any one of the assistant coaches could put the players in a better position to make plays. There is no gap integrity and that's really easy to fix. Reimer and Henrichs running into the d lineman on a repeated basis is easily fixed. They had to fire Chinander. He is trying lose games.
I for one, do not see it as a mob mentality problem. It has much more to do with MJ hitching his wagon to a guy that has not done his job very well.
I get what you are saying....now what? Bill Busch is our answer?!?! Totally understand where you are coming from. The problem is, if you leave EC in place as the DC, there is really very little to no chance of seeing a change or improvement.
An example of this is a couple of run plays that I mentioned during the game. Is it all on our backers that they don't move over two gaps on a puller in front of them, while the C and G double the opposite side DT? Maybe, but we all have seen the same damn thing repeatedly.
It CERTAINLY may not work to make that change. You could be right....and I could be wrong. You definitely can't just take a guy that was acting as the DC and strip him of his duties while keeping him on staff, though.
I agree at this point from here on out though....we are what we are. You can't just fire everybody. It is what it is, at this point. MJ is going to have to probably play the string out with what resources and coaches he's got. Good or bad.
How do we know if Chins adjustments in the second half stopped the scoring or if Oklahoma was content to stop taking shots and just run the clock?
I bet run/pass second half was heavier run and snaps later on the play clock…but I’m not watching the tape to check.
I bet run/pass second half was heavier run and snaps later on the play clock…but I’m not watching the tape to check.
well by firing chins, he appeased the mob, (the accountability thing) but by doing it without a plan, he hurt himself and the players most likely..
let's say we were in an alternate reality and he fired chins and BP came in to coach the D for 8 games, as a favor to MJ, then that's an upgrade and tells me the guy is thinking at least logically about trying to win more games.
Pulling out the plugs in your boat without a good plan to replace it, sounds like a chinese fire drill, but on water.
I hope everybody can swim, cause y'all getting wet now.
The only person who stopped Oklahoma from scoring in the 2nd half was Brent Venables. They could of hung a 100 on us if they’d of wanted.
Chins didn’t get fired for Saturdays game. He got fired for what he’s failed to do since he arrived, field a competent defense. The numbers don’t lie.
We also don’t know about the possibility that he was off the market going forward. We did just fire his best buddy.
It is only September 18.
Going forward, I envision a lackluster effort from demoralized players and doomed coaches…in short, a train wreck. It is going to be a long season.
Frost should have been fired last year.
I was not going to argue that it helped us.. maybe it did a little, but the game was kind of over already. We came out and turned the ball over, and that was kind of it and we started subbing in the 3rd if I recall correctly.
His plan is evidently, addition by subtraction. As I said, we'll just see if he is right.
Yeah, well....we don't even have a boat at this point. We may not even have the blow up floating rings that 5 year olds use. Like I said, will it work? Will we improve? I don't know. In fact, I doubt it.
This is exactly my perception of things now.
He had a somewhat manageable situation and made things worse in my opinion.
There was some speculation that there was some division between chins and mj in regard to the edge rusher recruit spot, and mj's recruit went elsewhere while chins got his recruit instead.. that kid has now decommitted.
This was all sipple's wondering if that has something to do with it.
His contract runs until the end of 2023 at $850,000 per year. He'll get the full amount of his contract, offset by any money he makes at a new job during that time.
I looked at the participation level for the game, and sometimes the numbers are not totally correct, but I'll use what they show.
I lost interest before halftime, but did watch the whole game. Because of the blowout, it looked like NU was substituting liberally, turns out, on defense, that was not true.
On defense, NU played 21 kids. So they went 2 deep. NU only played 6 DB's.
NU has 21 DB's on the roster. Some are likely banged up, but these are some of the DB's that didn't play in the 5 touchdown loss:
Singleton, Brown, Tyreke, Martin, Kaine Williams, Pola-Gates, Brandon Moore, and 8 more DB's.
Are they injured? Are these kids in the doghouse? Do they dog it at practice or have academic issues? Don't they know the coverage(s)? How can so many of them be mistakes that can't even make the field in a blowout at halftime?
NU has allowed 528/306/652/580 yards in their 4 games this season. It looks like allowing 400-600 yards a game will be the norm going forward. Would retaining Chinander have lowered that number? I doubt it.
Saturday, OU could have easily totalled 750-800 yards had they left the dogs in for awhile longer. The defense has become a complete "no contest" for opposing offenses. Combine that with the lack of playing more kids on defense and I don't see where losing the DC is going to make any difference.
NU is horrible at all 3 levels of defense. If NU had even 1 level playing great defense they would have a small chance. NU's DL can't match up with any OL's, the LB's can't make tackles and the DB's are a sieve on pass defense in addition to being unable to tackle.
Teddy goes down on offense leaving the ole' brothers (Corcoran and Benhart) at OT's. Allen goes down but Ervin will fill in just fine. We see CT will crumble when pressured.
We may get to see the worst that we've seen in history of this program. Now we likely have every coach on the staff dusting off their resume's and players who may make a mass exit to the transfer portal.
Until a complete overhaul happens, this program is on its death bed.