Wise words from a husker legend

pgainey

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Words that should have been heeded after year 3

we all saw what we saw after 2 years and year 3 was confirmatory

year 4 was a result of refusing to believe what our eyes were telling us due to pure and simple nepotism.
 

rrthusker

Heisman
Jul 24, 2001
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Sage advice. If Frost was anyone other than an ex Husker QB National champion he would have been fired after year three. Riley was fired and yet had a much better record. Bo was fired with a far superior record. Yet here we are wallowing in the mud with the worst Husker coach arguably in history.
 
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The record may have turned out the same, but AM should’ve been benched during or at the very least after the Illinois game.
 

9and4_rivals188421

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How about a straight-up trade with Alabama for Bill O'Brien? Fraudst can re-hab his image as an offensive consultant for Saban.
 

dm1330

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The record may have turned out the same, but AM should’ve been benched during or at the very least after the Illinois game.
Keep in mind that Martinez's mistakes cost us the MIchigan game, the Purdue game and the Illinois game. Cannot recall all the other games he cost us but there have been plenty. Frost did not make those mistakes. Granted he could have benched Martinez but from what most of us have seen, the backups would not have been any better now or the past few years. Our backup a few years ago is now third string at Rice so that tells me something.
Frost did not miss all those PAT's and field goal kicks. Do those mistakes make him a bad coach??? Frankly don't know. Yeah coaches take the blame when loses occur as that is how it works. I am certainly no expert here but have been watching Husker football since the early 70's and really believe the talent level the past 10 years or so has been some of the lowest I have seen, give or take a few players. Times have changed and so have the kids that play college football. Most think they will play in the NFL and go to the schools that will put them there. Sad time to be a Husker fan right now. Will let those in charge who make the big bucks decide whether Frost needs to stay or go.
 

B1G RED RULES

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Sage advice. If Frost was anyone other than an ex Husker QB National champion he would have been fired after year three. Riley was fired and yet had a much better record. Bo was fired with a far superior record. Yet here we are wallowing in the mud with the worst Husker coach arguably in history.
I agree in part, but hasn’t every Husker coach that has been fired been let go by an AD that didn’t hire them? If so, I would hope Trev follows that trend ASAP.
 
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Keep in mind that Martinez's mistakes cost us the MIchigan game, the Purdue game and the Illinois game. Cannot recall all the other games he cost us but there have been plenty. Frost did not make those mistakes. Granted he could have benched Martinez but from what most of us have seen, the backups would not have been any better now or the past few years. Our backup a few years ago is now third string at Rice so that tells me something.
Frost did not miss all those PAT's and field goal kicks. Do those mistakes make him a bad coach??? Frankly don't know. Yeah coaches take the blame when loses occur as that is how it works. I am certainly no expert here but have been watching Husker football since the early 70's and really believe the talent level the past 10 years or so has been some of the lowest I have seen, give or take a few players. Times have changed and so have the kids that play college football. Most think they will play in the NFL and go to the schools that will put them there. Sad time to be a Husker fan right now. Will let those in charge who make the big bucks decide whether Frost needs to stay or go.
I am not asking for Frost to be fired. He’s made mistakes, but I’m tired of the coaching carousel. I am tired of AMart and would rather watch Nebraska lose with Smothers or any other QB.
 
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Keep in mind that Martinez's mistakes cost us the MIchigan game, the Purdue game and the Illinois game. Cannot recall all the other games he cost us but there have been plenty. Frost did not make those mistakes. Granted he could have benched Martinez but from what most of us have seen, the backups would not have been any better now or the past few years. Our backup a few years ago is now third string at Rice so that tells me something.
Frost did not miss all those PAT's and field goal kicks. Do those mistakes make him a bad coach??? Frankly don't know. Yeah coaches take the blame when loses occur as that is how it works. I am certainly no expert here but have been watching Husker football since the early 70's and really believe the talent level the past 10 years or so has been some of the lowest I have seen, give or take a few players. Times have changed and so have the kids that play college football. Most think they will play in the NFL and go to the schools that will put them there. Sad time to be a Husker fan right now. Will let those in charge who make the big bucks decide whether Frost needs to stay or go.
What Frost has not done is replace those players who are incapable of playing because being in over their head or injury. How do you know that the QB's behind AM are not capable of playing this year. What little playing time they have had makes me believe they can. Being in charge makes you unpopular to at least one segment of people you influence. Frost is choosing poorly.
 

mgbreeze

All-Conference
Dec 16, 2004
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Do those mistakes make him a bad coach???
YES! Are you serious? Good coaches win. Bad coaches lose. Do you honestly believe that a good coach couldn't have this exact group of players solidly in a bowl game right now?
 

Tarheelhusker

All-Conference
Mar 28, 2003
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No more friggin’ excuses! Frost reached the Peter principle, the man needs fired post haste!

Keel haul that man stem to stern, port to starboard. Toss his carcass to the sharks. Arrr matey.
 
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mgbreeze

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I am not asking for Frost to be fired. He’s made mistakes, but I’m tired of the coaching carousel. I am tired of AMart and would rather watch Nebraska lose with Smothers or any other QB.
I've felt the same to this point. But Frost seemingly refuses (REFUSES) to adjust and make changes. Not sure I can take another year of Frost and Martinez. At this point I'm good with firing Frost.
 

JOHNNY N

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Sage advice. If Frost was anyone other than an ex Husker QB National champion he would have been fired after year three. Riley was fired and yet had a much better record. Bo was fired with a far superior record. Yet here we are wallowing in the mud with the worst Husker coach arguably in history.
But he is Frost and that makes the situation different.

That said, after yesterday I'm not sure how retaining him could possibly be justified.

Just a shame it's not going to work out.
 

dpnavy

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Jan 24, 2012
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Words that should have been heeded after year 3

we all saw what we saw after 2 years and year 3 was confirmatory

year 4 was a result of refusing to believe what our eyes were telling us due to pure and simple nepotism.

I watch a lot of college football since the 1960s and forward! A new Qback coach and a new offensive line coach can turn this around in 1 yr! Adrian needs a couple of good running backs, not have to be great to take the pressure off of the young man! He feels like he has to do it all! A perfect scenario for a Bob Devaney type individual to come in and produce results! Scott not talking to the team after the game and hearing that older players encourage him to talk to the younger players is the pits! He will get 1 more yr, even If I think the results won't change! It's only a game, not life! GBR
 

regionsdoc

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Keep in mind that Martinez's mistakes cost us the MIchigan game, the Purdue game and the Illinois game. Cannot recall all the other games he cost us but there have been plenty. Frost did not make those mistakes. Granted he could have benched Martinez but from what most of us have seen, the backups would not have been any better now or the past few years. Our backup a few years ago is now third string at Rice so that tells me something.
Frost did not miss all those PAT's and field goal kicks. Do those mistakes make him a bad coach??? Frankly don't know. Yeah coaches take the blame when loses occur as that is how it works. I am certainly no expert here but have been watching Husker football since the early 70's and really believe the talent level the past 10 years or so has been some of the lowest I have seen, give or take a few players. Times have changed and so have the kids that play college football. Most think they will play in the NFL and go to the schools that will put them there. Sad time to be a Husker fan right now. Will let those in charge who make the big bucks decide whether Frost needs to stay or go.
Frost appears to be a slow blinker as a coach. Gets stuck and can't/won't adjust.
1) He appears to be the last person in the country who can't see that AM is not an answer at QB.
2) It took him 9 games to figure out he has a JUCO all-american kicker who can hit XPs and chip shot FGs.
3) Per the announcers yesterday, they just started practicing QB sneaks last week. In year 4. After all the goal-line, shot gun fiascos....(audible sigh)....
 

vic.valiant

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Keep in mind that Martinez's mistakes cost us the MIchigan game
Not here to stop a good Frost bash but I respectfully disagree this.

Martinez was a warrior in that game and officiating notwithstanding there were 3 minutes left in the game with Nebraska ball on their own 25 yard line with the score tied 29-29.

Nebraska was a long way from winning that game and Martinez was the only reason that The huskers were in it at all.

Go Blue!
 

steinek11

All-Conference
Apr 18, 2004
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Not here to stop a good Frost bash but I respectfully disagree this.

Martinez was a warrior in that game and officiating notwithstanding there were 3 minutes left in the game with Nebraska ball on their own 25 yard line with the score tied 29-29.

Nebraska was a long way from winning that game and Martinez was the only reason that The huskers were in it at all.

Go Blue!
Nice try, we're not keeping Frost
 
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John Cook made that tough decision by benching Lexi Sun. Frost can’t bring himself to do it.
Other than not running up-tempo anymore (because we can't execute it without committing penalties) there's not a single material thing we are doing today (while losing) than we did over the last 4 seasons -- (while losing).

No big staff shakeups.

Same QB coach that hasn't developed any of the QB's that have come through here.

Same RB coach that hasn't elevated a single back outside of Ozigbo.

Same lame QB under center that hamstrings the entire offense and commits the same mental mistakes he was committing his freshman season.

Same total lackadaisical approach to ST until they get so bad they're directly causing losses (for some reason we have to fix that annually mid-year).

Virtually no changes, no adjustments that haven't been forced on him.
 

jteten

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I don’t understand. Virtually everyone knows we need to move on. Simple take is simple. However, if this is what it takes to get everyone on board, then okay.
 
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Words that should have been heeded after year 3

we all saw what we saw after 2 years and year 3 was confirmatory

year 4 was a result of refusing to believe what our eyes were telling us due to pure and simple nepotism.

Not me, Ive been warning everyone here since the 4th game of 2018 this staff is incompetent.
 
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How about a straight-up trade with Alabama for Bill O'Brien? Fraudst can re-hab his image as an offensive consultant for Saban.
No way in hell Saban would trust his offense to someone as incompetent and stubborn as Frost. We would take OBrien however, quite eagerly.
 

kingofcarsdirk

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The record may have turned out the same, but AM should’ve been benched during or at the very least after the Illinois game.
I agree the record may have been the same but the loses to OU, MSU, and Mich would have been by 14+ without Amart. He really has only had 1 terrible game, a couple bad ones, but mostly good to great games by him this season. Look I get it, the Backup QB is always the most popular on a team. Worked really well for us last year. McCaffrey was terrible. We have not had a good backup since Joe Ganz.
 

BuckysBoys1

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I am not asking for Frost to be fired. He’s made mistakes, but I’m tired of the coaching carousel. I am tired of AMart and would rather watch Nebraska lose with Smothers or any other QB.
Until Smothers plays like Luke McCaffrey and everybody says well maybe AM ain’t so bad. Been there done that!
 

mgbreeze

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Dec 16, 2004
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Until Smothers plays like Luke McCaffrey and everybody says well maybe AM ain’t so bad. Been there done that!
So let me get this straight - because McCaffrey sucked we never take a look at another quarterback in a game?
 

catch54

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Feb 5, 2003
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I agree the record may have been the same but the loses to OU, MSU, and Mich would have been by 14+ without Amart. He really has only had 1 terrible game, a couple bad ones, but mostly good to great games by him this season. Look I get it, the Backup QB is always the most popular on a team. Worked really well for us last year. McCaffrey was terrible. We have not had a good backup since Joe Ganz.
I'll add until yesterday, A Mart had only three int's for the season. His fourth interception yesterday was more on Allen.

At 19:00.

 

BleedRed78

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Until Smothers plays like Luke McCaffrey and everybody says well maybe AM ain’t so bad. Been there done that!
I don't get this. The limited action I've watched of him this season, I thought he looked decent. Nowhere near as inept as McCaffrey was and can at least actually pass the ball. Couple that with running it, why not see if the guy doesn't light a fire for his team?
 

dpnavy

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Jan 24, 2012
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Yes, going way, way back in the 1975 Fiesta Bowl, Tom O. replaced future pro Qback Vince Ferragamo in the 1st quarter with Terry Luck when he threw a interception. The Qback room at Huskers is bare, no one ! Would have been nice tohave had Rutgers Qback Vedral around! Quarterback room a mess, offensive a under achieving bunch, and no really good running backs!
 

mgbreeze

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No I’ve seen Smothers throw the football. He is brutal.
What's brutal is thinking or saying any version of "well maybe AM ain't so bad." You've seen Smothers throw 11 passes on the season, we've got 3 wins and you're still thinking we should stick with AM. Brutal. We literally have nothing to lose.
 

huskat

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The main problem is the unbelievable failure of building depth at the QB position. I believe Frost is probably right...AM does give us the best opportunity to win. Unfortunately, the best QB we have continually makes bad decisions and routinely chokes when we need him to rise to the occasion. When a player signs with us, it is every coach's job to immediately go out and find someone better. That didn't happen for 4 years at the QB position.

Let's also be honest...special teams has cost us as many games this year as AM has. Special teams has also been miserable for 4 years, and probably even much longer.