Nick Rolovich
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Nobody knows is correct. What I do know that some elderly in-laws of mine (80s) were vaccinated months ago with Pfizer's vaccine. Both contracted the Delta variant recently and both have recovered with minimal illness. It does in fact save lives. Locally we see it time after time. The vaccine is preventing lots of deaths in at risk citizens. The statistics don't lie on this one. Again, I'm against vaccine mandates and I'm not for vaccinating young kids. Public health is a numbers game. Vaccination is warranted in adults by the numbers. I do not disagree that there has been horrible misinformation by Fauci etal.
Unfortunately we have had ruling political elite for decades at the very least. It probably actually started in the late 1800s due to everything from paying legislators what we do and all the perks they get. The health care coverage and retirement plans they give themselves is criminal. I agree that forced vaccine mandates for this deal are not warranted, won't be effective at producing population immunity, and probably unconstitutional.
You know dingle, you are one of the very, very few willing to admit that mistakes have been made by the people setting the rules.
It's a shame that the actual truth has not been allowed to be transmitted to the overall public that would allow them to make their own decisions.
Until vaxxers see actual microscopic evidence of what occurs inside the body will they ever begin to have informed consent. They may never be ready to see what the actual autopsies reveal.
The truth has in many cases been told even in some cases by the MSM networks but when it isn't favorable to their "people" they gloss over it, spin it and most people ignore it. The thing to remember is that probably at least half of America doesn't pay attention. Then there's always those unwilling to admit that their side screwed up. As I've posted many times, Fauci screwed this up by first lying to the American people and then by politicizing his position. I do believe that the rank and file professionals in the CDC and NIH are doing their best to try to offer good guidance.
The truth is what is provable. I don't need someone to tell me what I'm supposed to "think".
What has been proven is that nearly all that has come out of the mouth of Fauci, Birz, Collins and Walensky is a lie. They are provable lies. Why would I consider what they say as the truth?
Humans have a long track record of choosing [perceived] popularity over objective reality. For half of the world's population the enlightenment never happened.
Interesting read from ESPN:
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ESPN = CNN = nothing to see here.
Having said that, he won't be winning any lawsuits. Our country has made it clear it prefers dystopia to liberty. You can vote your way into slavery (which we didn't btw, it was imposed from without), but you have to shoot your way out.
Having said that, he won't be winning any lawsuits. Our country has made it clear it prefers dystopia to liberty. You can vote your way into slavery (which we didn't btw, it was imposed from without), but you have to shoot your way out.
As expected. Just another uninformed casualty of the misinformation that's pervasive today. The religious exemption request was simply a strategy to avoid compliance with the mandate.
you would've been 100% in favor of Hitler had you been born to a different generation.
I know you're gonna come back with some drivel about "muh saving lives" but even you've had moments of self-honesty where you realized it was more about getting to boss around a populace that you've never liked.
gonna go out on a limb and suspect you subscribe to most of the leftist propaganda, including the branch that is radically in favor of ending lives.
The man refused to abide by the rules set forth for his job. No thanks. His services not needed.
Where is the proof that the vaccine causes cancer? Cancer takes time and it is has been less than a year since we started vaccinating. Good grief.
He sounds like a buffoon. Honestly odd because most who have made their way into his position are sharp as tacks.
lol, go back to reddit
clean your room too, can't expect to control the lives of others when you can't handle the microcosm that is your personal space.
Mandates on a drug under EUA? That has never made it to SCOTUS. There is no FDA approved vaccine available to the general public in the US. That is a fact.
But more to the point, what is the legal benchmark for mandating ANYTHING? Demonstrating overwhelming public good.
In the case of vaccines, that demonstration is the prevention of transmission and herd immunity. Do these "vaccines" which do not work like previously mandated vaccines, and which have far less evidence of safety OR efficacy than any of the previous vaccines that have been mandated, clear that bar in any way? These "vaccines," which do not prevent the spread of the virus, which are proven to reduce or eliminate symptoms but have no scientific backing to claim reduced transmission (and indeed, since symptoms are dampened despite comparable viral loads, people are more likely to spread it without knowing they have it, and therefore, it is likely that transmission is increased once vaccinated, not decreased), and are treating a disease that can be extremely dangerous and even fatal to those in certain easily identified high risk groups, but has proven to be fairly minor for anyone who is healthy below the age of 50, and less dangerous than the flu for those under 25? These "vaccines" that actually required the CDC to change their official definition of a vaccine, in order for these to conform?
The justification for vaccine mandates has always hinged on them working to stop the spread, and these flat out do not do that. If you're at high risk, the vaccine may very well save your life. But we shouldn't vaccinate kids (for COVID). An employer absolutely should not be able to mandate it. And absolutely, no government entity skulls be able to mandate it.
We can debate the insurance surcharges, and I'm kind of in favor as if it is allowed, it opens up the door for all sorts of employer surcharges for risky behavior, and if they're stupid enough to do it for only COVID and not others, it opens them up to lawsuits for discrimination. Anyone who smokes should be charged more, those who are obese, those that don't exercise, etc. Every company who engaged in any surcharges would obviously be expected to conduct a thorough analysis on which risk behaviors resulted in the highest medical costs/premium increases. I presume pregnancy and child birth would be a big one.
You serious Clark? Might want to review the current FDA authorizations before commenting. If you delete this quickly you could avoid some embarrassment.
Where is the proof it doesn't? You nor anyone else can say with any certainty that the vax is safe. For exactly the reasons you stated. I'm not against it, but I'm 100% against the mandates. Everyone should have the right to decide for themselves, free of duress and coercion. And there's no justification for vaccinating children.
I've read them. I know what they say. Do you?
I'll tell you what. I live in Nebraska. If you can find a location that is currently providing to the public the FDA approved Comirnaty vaccines in the state, I'll write a $100 check to the 501c3 charity of your choice (with very few exceptions).
This is taken directly from the FDA's FAQ page:
A: The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine has the same formulation as the FDA-approved Comirnaty COVID-19 vaccine and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness.
Other items of note from the FAQ page, along with the BLA Approval letter:
A: It is not known if the vaccine protects against asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection.
A: Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission.
A. Post-authorization safety surveillance data pertaining to myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the tissue surrounding the heart) demonstrate increased risks of myocarditis and pericarditis, particularly within 7 days following the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, with the risk being higher in males under 40 years of age than in females or older males. The observed risk is highest in males 12 through 17 years of age.
A: While there have been no specific studies in these groups, there is no contraindication to receipt of the vaccine for pregnant or breastfeeding women. Pregnant or breastfeeding women should discuss potential benefits and risks of vaccination with their healthcare provider.
And this, which comes DIRECTLY FROM the BLA Approval letter:
We have determined that an analysis of spontaneous postmarketing adverse events reported under section 505(k)(1) of the FDCA will not be sufficient to assess known serious risks of myocarditis and pericarditis and identify an unexpected serious risk of subclinical myocarditis.
Bottom line: You know not of what you speak. The risk of the jab to healthy sub-40 males is especially pronounced, especially compared to the virus itself. And for kids, it's asinine to require them to be vaccinated, and potentially dangerous. Read the BLA Approval letter for yourself, and how many tests that are typically required before Approval have been deferred, and when we can expect the data.
There's strong and compelling evidence it works to reduce or eliminate symptoms in the infected. If you're at high risk, it may very well be advisable for you to take it. There's scant evidence it reduces transmission. And those under 40 don't need it, unless they have other risk factors. Facts.
The Pfizer Biontech vaccine is fully approved by the FDA for everyone 16 and older. In Nebraska. Full stop. Stop spreading nonsense.
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine
FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine, now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.
Good to know it’s for everyone. Maybe those coming into the nation who’ve been exempted by the federal Government from being tested or vaccinated can be offered that, if they can be found.The Pfizer Biontech vaccine is fully approved by the FDA for everyone 16 and older. In Nebraska. Full stop. Stop spreading nonsense.
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine
FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine, now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.www.fda.gov
There was already 30 million here unvaxxed, untracked. I'm pretty sure the zipperhead you're replying to is on record as saying he prefers illegals to have more rights than citizens.
Oh, and Biden has exempted the legislative and judicial branch of government from his martial law edicts.
It's almost like he's bribing the judiciary to not allow any push-back ... it sure as hell is working. Ahhhhh, government corruption, you can never have too much, if you're a swamper.
Which part of "legally distinct with certain differences" do you not understand?The Pfizer Biontech vaccine is fully approved by the FDA for everyone 16 and older. In Nebraska. Full stop. Stop spreading nonsense.
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine
FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine, now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.
I gave you the exact quote from the FDA. I gave you the link. Is there any scenario where your intelligence, whatever that may be, would override your cognitive dissonance?
You say that there is no FDA approved vaccine in Nebraska. You say that is a fact. On this planet that would be incorrect. On your planet, wherever that might exist, you and your conspiratorial troll zombies believe whatever you want to believe. Or not. I don't really give a damn. You're a lost cause anyway.
Comirnaty IS FDA approved. No one is denying that. Comirnaty is not available in Nebraska, or anywhere in the US, to the general public, at this time. Prove me wrong. Where could someone go to get the Comirnaty vaccine? Call around. Find me the place.
This is just a fact. There's no conspiracy. Just misinformation by people like you. The FDA approved a vaccine, but it isn't available yet. NO ONE is taking an FDA approved vaccine. They're ALL under EUA. The Pfizer-BioNTech is "The same formulation, but legally distinct, with certain differences....."
Again, no conspiracy, I'm against mandates. I'm not against the vaccine, and think it makes sense for many at-risk populations. But it doesn't stop the spread at all, and therefore there's ZERO justification to get it other than to protect yourself. And that's a personal choice.
Prove what??? It's the same thing. Every vaccine has a brand associated with it. Pfizer has branded theirs as Comirnaty. It's a marketing name for the same exact product. It's already fully approved. It has been fully approved since August per the FDA announcement on their website. Your willful ignorance is tiresome. I'm done.
