Criminalize alcohol already...
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Is this in any way related to that monster of a thread about legalizing weed already? It's fairly obvious everyone is set in stone on it. Those who have no knowledge of it, like half the posters on here, will adamantly stomp their feet and ignore the issue and keep spewing nonsense about how it's going to ruin society, etc until it ends up being legalized in their place of living and then they'll be silent about it when you point out none of their "chicken little" fears ever materialized.
There's someone that has posted in the other thread about how Denver is handling the legal weed. You should check it out.
Lol. Those who have no knowledge are against it, while the knowledgeable ones are for it.
Way to paint with a broad brush.
In the 1930s Harry J. Anslinger, head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, turned the battle against marijuana into an all-out war. Some believe that he was motivated less by safety concerns—the vast majority of scientists he surveyed claimed that the drug was not dangerous—and more by a desire to promote his newly created department. Whatever the impetus, Anslinger sought a federal ban on the drug, and to this end he initiated a high-profile campaign that relied heavily on racism. Anslinger claimed that the majority of pot smokers were minorities, including African Americans, and that marijuana had a negative effect on these “degenerate races,” such as inducing violence or causing insanity. Furthermore, he noted, “Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.” Perhaps even more worrisome to Anslinger was pot’s supposed threat to white women’s virtue. He believed that smoking pot would result in their having sex with black men.
Aided by an eager news media—and such propaganda films as Reefer Madness (1936)—Anslinger eventually oversaw the passage of the Marihuana Tax Act in 1937, which effectively made the drug illegal across the United States.
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Aided by an eager news media—and such propaganda films as Reefer Madness (1936)—Anslinger eventually oversaw the passage of the Marihuana Tax Act in 1937, which effectively made the drug illegal across the United States.
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I believe I saw Omaha had around 100-300 dui's between November-January's of last year, but yeah it's the marijuana that's causing parents to kill their kids and potentially harm innocent others.
Probably a waste of time, because it can be spun/exagerrated either way to try and get people worked up. If the poster is against weed, he'll scower the internet for any story he can find that's bad, then promote it like it's the normal "day in/day out" lifestyle now.
What it comes down to is this: marijuana is practically everywhere. Just because it's "illegal" and you don't see it, doesn't mean your neighbor isn't getting high. But legalizing weed does nothing in regards to "drugs" entering a community - like it or not, if your neighbors want weed, they'll get it. Criminalizing it does nothing to stop it from being in your neighborhood. That's what those against it should learn.
Macro vs micro, right? ; - ) Generally though, I get the impression that those against it think like this: "I don't want marijuana in my community, we have a nice place to live and weed will bring in all these problems." Reality: "weed is already in your community, anyone wanting it can get it pretty easily, and you just aren't aware."
Yep. Here in Kansas, it is everywhere. I work with many who partake and are very intelligent/responsible people.
How would you know what weed does? You are a virginHow would you know? Your judgement is off from being high.
I'm not high at work
i don’t care if people smoke it eat it or what ever they do with it, but I have seen the destruction it has done to a lot of small towns why worse than alcohol, biggest thing is after weed these people want a bigger fix so in comes the meth so not only are they smoking weed they are doing meth. No you have slums starting up and these people are like locust one shows up next thing you know you have ten in the same neighborhood
because it eventually makes me sleepy. And because it would be a waste of good weed.
Would you want to drink beer at work or at home?
they were simply meth heads without any meth until they found some. The vast majority of weed users never graduate to meth, heroin, crack, etc. Caffeine could easily lead to meth as well.
Weed is more of an introspective drug at higher doses.
I don’t have a problem if anyone needs to medicate themselves to escape the reality of their miserable lives. My problem is paying for the collateral damage many become after using their preferred medications.
Well, I feel better knowing you work with intelligent people who use it.
We have had this discussion in the past and you never respond. Have you actually read the current research on its use? Since it was technically illegal, not much research was done but there is plenty now. But go ahead and use yourself and friends as good reasons to partake. The "science" is not on your side but like the drug itself, If it makes you feel better....
No. Not nearly as popular. Harder to get, unless you know someone. Plus they are more likely to steal - weed is so cheap no one needs to steal in order to buy some.
Fear mongering. They don't know what a weed user looks like, does for a living, etc. They just picture "skid row" from those 1980's made-for-tv movies and the thought of that coming to a place near them scares the begeebies out of them. However, I know people in this camp and have been high off marijuana around them and they had no clue I was high, or that I even use.
Edit: for the record, I'm middle-aged, work in an office, and have a Masters degree.
I don't mind being educated on this one, or at least having civil discussion, as small towns are one thing I can't speak all that intelligently on. (cue someone to quote that last line and replace "small towns" with some sarcastic wording.)
So a few questions:
1. Do you think keeping it illegal stops the problem or just makes it longer before what you describe happens? Wouldn't these kids just drive somewhere else and buy it, and bring it back? In other words, legalizing it takes down a dam that was already leaking and can't be patched, no? Just that the flood comes sooner?
2. I do have the impression there is less to do in small towns, as friends have said that's why they drank so much in high school was because there was nothing else to do. So from that perspective, I can see people moving from beer to weed then to meth, as they are looking to cure boredom. Fair enough point. But in the metro areas, we have plenty to do, so there wouldn't be that progression. For me, I've been smoking for over 20 years or so, and I've never even considered moving on to meth. I'm perfectly happy getting high and stopping with weed, as are thousands of others in larger areas. So do we punish the masses to save the few in small towns?
3. Couldn't your problem of users moving on to meth be solved by going after meth harder? What I mean is, instead of 10 cops pursuing weed and another 10 cops pursuing meth, how about no cops pursuing weed and twenty cops going hard after anyone looking for meth? And tell the prosecutors to not offer any deals whatsoever to meth users and push for the max EVERY time? Get the meth users in prison and leave the weed users alone? Would that work?
Fair enough, but can't we legalize weed and still stop paying for what you're talking about? And not all people who smoke have miserable lives, why take a cheap shot like that?
I agree with this and I think pot should be legal but I am also guessing that every methed out dude probably used weed first and still uses weed.
Probably also drank first as well.
I think if people really knew how many "normal" people smoke/eat some weed...they would be shocked.
I know you weren't talking to me, but can you sum up the effects that you're talking about? And if you believe that science, how do you feel about covid 19 science? Not trying to derail the discussion, but you can't pick and choose the science you want to believe to suit your opinions. If you believe science when it says "marijuana = bad" then you have to believe the science when it says "covid vaccine = good" or you're hypocritical.
But beer is bad for me, but I'll still drink. Sugary drinks are bad, but I'll still have soda with my lunch. Fatty foods like pizza are bad, but we still eat pizza. Looking at the obesity in this country, I'd bet far more non-weed smokers will have health issues than us weed people. Time will tell.
True statements, but that doesn't make weed a "gateway" drug. The reason people go from alcohol to weed and then maybe to something else is because of 2 things: a) ease of access and b) affordibility. When in high school, did you drink beer or scotch? I drank beer, because it was cheap and it was everywhere. But now I like scotch. Does that mean beer "gatewayed" me to scotch? Or course not. Now I can afford scotch.
It's a recreational activity. All activities have risk. It is up to personal decision to weigh the pros and cons.
McDonalds, alcohol, tobacco, rollercoasters, etc.
What science are you referring to?
We expect a bunch of people with bruised knees for Scott Frost to be able to have a debate on substances? Lol
What else will people stuck in the 90’s have to blame when they lay a hand on their wife because bubble screens aren’t working
This is purely anecdotal and I'm all in for marijuana legalization, but almost all the people I've known who use weed regularly have little self-control to regulate it themselves. They'd rather be stoned than sober. While there is definitely a discussion to be had about the harm being done while stoned vs drunk, to me addiction doesn't necessarily coincide with the substance, it's the desire to escape reality.
I live in the Denver metro area, so I don’t need to read some anonymous post to know what’s going on here. Legalized weed is fine. Many people use it, many people don’t. To each their own. No big deal.
The statement about medicating wasn’t aimed at only people smoking weed, it’s aimed towards anybody who has to alter their normal state. I personally think there is more collateral damage from drinking alcohol than there ever will be from weed. I know many people who cannot function without having to drink to get a buzz.
I simply don’t buy the argument that people choose to partake in any of these activities because they see you some sort of health benefit in it, that it taste good, etc. You take your first sip, toke, injection, (however the drug is administered) in the hopes to feel better (a buzz). Yes, some people can manage it without becoming a burden on society - others cannot.
There is no way “not” to pay for it. Taxpayers are already paying for the damage - if a drug is legal or not. So I imagine taxing it could ease the burden some…
