Helton out at USC

dinglefritz

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USC fans can afford to be delusional. They will almost always get their first choice, money is no problem, and the list of top flight coaches who would want that job are as long as it gets. USC might be the best job in the country all things considered.
They haven't been getting their first choice lately. They've got issues and 5 million in LA is like getting paid 3 million elsewhere because of the taxes. The luckiest guy in America is the guy getting paid 5 million in Texas or Florida. The cost of living is relatively low and the their is no state income tax.
 
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They haven't been getting their first choice lately. They've got issues and 5 million in LA is like getting paid 3 million elsewhere because of the taxes. The luckiest guy in America is the guy getting paid 5 million in Texas or Florida. The cost of living is relatively low and the their is no state income tax.
how about Gruden inking a $10M/year contract in dumpy norcal only to be relocated to no state income tax Vegas??

guy got a $3M raise over night without needing to deal with any paperwork!
 

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USC is trying to get ahead of everyone else. That early firing method can backfire if they’re not careful.

My personal top pick would be Tony Elliott if you can convince him to leave Dabo’s staff, which is incredibly tight-knit. Native Californian and only 41 years old, also has won the CFP’s 2x. I could see Fickell, O’Brian too. No way they go after Fleck… I guess we’ll see how the competent the USC football office is!
Its not. Since Pete left. They've hired a philanderer, an alcoholic, and a PE teacher. Helton was probably more qualified than a PE teacher but he's not a big name. USC likes keeping things "in the family" much like NU does. So they'll most likely go with a guy with USC ties.
 

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how about Gruden inking a $10M/year contract in dumpy norcal only to be relocated to no state income tax Vegas??
Damn. I was out in Oakland a few weeks ago. I've never seen so much trash in a city in my life. Garbage all over the highways and rightaways. What a mess. Even wine country is a mess until you get further up the valley past Napa. Unbelievable how much Newsome has done for them....
 
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They haven't been getting their first choice lately. They've got issues and 5 million in LA is like getting paid 3 million elsewhere because of the taxes. The luckiest guy in America is the guy getting paid 5 million in Texas or Florida. The cost of living is relatively low and the their is no state income tax.

The next coach is going to get more than 5mil.
 

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Its not. Since Pete left. They've hired a philanderer, an alcoholic, and a PE teacher. Helton was probably more qualified than a PE teacher but he's not a big name. USC likes keeping things "in the family" much like NU does. So they'll most likely go with a guy with USC ties.
PE Teacher!! I’m rolling 🤣

It seems like USC, Texas, Tennessee, Miami and Nebraska all have similar issues with boosters.

USC better get a coach who can dominate SoCal recruiting, that’s their bread and butter back to the top. They should never lose guys out of their own backyard like Najee Harris, Bryce Young, Kayvon Thibodeaux, etc.

Pete knew that college football is a recruiting game, and so does Urban Meyer, which makes me wonder if he sneaks away from the Jags… but who knows. If the USC deep pockets flop again, which there’s a good chance they do that, UCLA might slowly start to take over in popularity among SoCal teens. Chip Kelly knows the importance of a tough line, as LSU found out a couple weeks ago getting pushed around the field.
 

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Maybe. Considering he only had 1 poor year at USC, he probably would have won enough games.

USC has treated that dude poorly. He took over for Kiffin/ Ed Orgeron when USC hired Sarkisian as HC. He won the bowl game. Sarkisian kept him on staff, so when Sark went on his bender, they make Helton the interim then ultimately name him permanent. So he is 1-0 after Kiffin, 5-4 after the Sark fiasco. Then he goes 10-3 and 11-3. In 2018 they go 5-7 and they start looking for reasons to get rid of him. What does he do? turns it around and goes 8-5 and 5-1, and they are still looking for reasons to get rid of him.
Rough gig that pays well.
 

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They haven't been getting their first choice lately. They've got issues and 5 million in LA is like getting paid 3 million elsewhere because of the taxes. The luckiest guy in America is the guy getting paid 5 million in Texas or Florida. The cost of living is relatively low and the their is no state income tax.
The top marginal rate in CA is about 13%. On five million that's $650k (which doesn't get applied to the whole income). Are there other taxes on top of this?
 

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I've always wanted a job where you can totally screw up and get paid $50 to go away. Corporate CEOs and college blue blood coaches have it made.
Dude, coaches have created such an amazing industry for themselves.

They never **** on each other
They all hire each other over and over
They pretend they work 18 hour days and that they HAVE TO WORK 18 HOURS A DAY even though they can only be with the players for like 20 hours a week.
 

dinglefritz

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The top marginal rate in CA is about 13%. On five million that's $650k (which doesn't get applied to the whole income). Are there other taxes on top of this?
It's not entirely income tax. It's insurance costs, fuel prices, ridiculous real estate costs, etc. I probably exaggerated the effect of the income tax but there is no doubt that it's a helluva lot more expensive to live in LA than other areas of the country. You have to add in Los Angeles's 9.3% city income tax to the equation as well. That's 22%+ going for state and local income taxes. That's still over a million more per year in income tax on a 5 million dollar salary than they would pay in Texas or Florida.
 
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It's not entirely income tax. It's insurance costs, fuel prices, ridiculous real estate costs, etc. I probably exaggerated the effect of the income tax but there is no doubt that it's a helluva lot more expensive to live in LA than other areas of the country. You have to add in Los Angeles's 9.3% city income tax to the equation as well. That's 22%+ going for state and local income taxes. That's still over a million more per year in income tax on a 5 million dollar salary than they would pay in Texas or Florida.
You really don't know what you're talking about. There are no city income taxes in California.
 

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Man, if Williams does a great job they should keep him as the HC. That guy will recruit at that school like Pete did.
The guy just keeps failing upward. Sure he can recruit, but he can't coach worth a lick. That would be an absolute disaster if they hired Williams to a full-time HC role, so I'm all for it!
 

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And a familiar face will take over as the interim:


This is a terrible move for USC. First firing Helton as their head coach after the first couple games and now handing Donte Williams the reigns, a guy who couldn't even look after his own position group while here. Helton was actually a good coach who USC didn't ever want to give a chance. I'm predicting this whole process will be an epic disaster for them.
 

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They are also setting themselves up for a Ed O/Helton situation where the team plays well the rest of the way and the players and part of the fan base love Donte and want him to be HC.
I see Donte letting the team run amok and not winning another game this season as a more likely scenario.
 

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I see Donte letting the team run amok and not winning another game this season as a more likely scenario.

Who knows. They are talented and the coordinators will run the O, D and ST. In the short term they could win some games, which could create a whole new set of head aches. Glad it’s not our circus this time.
 
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This is a terrible move for USC. First firing Helton as their head coach after the first couple games and now handing Donte Williams the reigns, a guy who couldn't even look after his own position group while here. Helton was actually a good coach who USC didn't ever want to give a chance. I'm predicting this whole process will be an epic disaster for them.
He was here for about 10 months. ha ha ha

Williams will be nothing but a facilitator, Orlando will coach D and Harrell will coach O.. Williams will call TOs and manage clock.
 

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He was here for about 10 months. ha ha ha

Williams will be nothing but a facilitator, Orlando will coach D and Harrell will coach O.. Williams will call TOs and manage clock.
And in those 10 months, he managed to turn our secondary into a dumpster fire.
 

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Now Eric "sleeping with" Bienemy is supposedly in the mix. No head coaching rumors are complete without him.
 

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Bieneiemy would LOCK DOWN Los Angeles area, especially if he kept Dante Williams on staff.

I believe Franklin would also lock it down and if he can recruit top 10 talent every year to Happy Valley it would be scary what he can do in Los Angeles.

As far as Cristobal, I think it would be stupid for him to leave Oregon. The media in Oregon is kind of like Lincoln. He can have down year there, 7 wins or less and no one will care. Willie Taggert got it started there and could have stayed there, but he chose a high pressure school (FSU) and didn't even last a year n a half!

At USC you are on the hot seat even if you win 8 games. Its week to week, month to month....Rose Bowl or BUST!
 
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dinglefritz

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You really don't know what you're talking about. There are no city income taxes in California.
You're right. I read a bullet point that the local income tax in Los Angeles was 9.3%. In actuality what that information appeared to be in reference to is the average rate paid by citizens of Los Angeles. It didn't specify whether that was state, federal or the two combined.
 

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Just a reminder of how crazy these searches can be and how full of it some sports reporters are:

 

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Gruden would be a great hire because it would be such a bad hire. Everyone but USC fans would LOVE how bad it went.

Franklin would dominate the pac lame. I was hoping NU had hired him away from Vandy.
 
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I don't know and yes, he would. He would have top 3 recruiting classes every year.
if you say so. you are a Super Big Fan, after all.

me, I think the pac12 a meat grinder of a league similar to the b1g & james franklin would do about the same as he's done at psu in socal

the offseason and preseason have long been the best times of his coaching career, so I'm not surprised a Nebraska fan puts tons of stock into those months when they're not playing. it's been our highest point, too.
 

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if you say so. you are a Super Big Fan, after all.

me, I think the pac12 a meat grinder of a league similar to the b1g & james franklin would do about the same as he's done at psu in socal

the offseason and preseason have long been the best times of his coaching career, so I'm not surprised a Nebraska fan puts tons of stock into those months when they're not playing. it's been our highest point, too.
I do say so.

The pac lame sucks like the big lame only he would dominate recruiting in that conference.
 
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I do say so.

The pac lame sucks like the big lame only he would dominate recruiting in that conference.
the pac & b1g are very similar, the difference being they're typically underrated and the b1g is overrated at the start of the year

there is nothing to suggest franklin would do any better at usc than he's doing at psu except conjecture. the reasons you'll point to are identical to the reasons everyone thought frost would succeed at NU.