Yep I know a nurse at Methodist and staff shortage is more of a issue than Covid cases at this time…
Mask protocols at NU sporting events
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The issue is virus mutation. Everyone wants to approach Covid now the same way that we did a year ago, but we can’t because of Delta. Doctors have been saying since day one, when the vaccines first rolled out back in December, that we were in a race against a virus mutation that would evade our vaccines. The mRNA vaccines were designed with 95% efficacy against the original Covid virus. And guess what. When the US as a whole and regional areas hit roughly 50% vaccination rates our Covid positive rates dropped substantially. Here in KC we case rates we had not seen since March 2020. Basically we hit a low point and everyone decided the pandemic was over.
Enter Delta. Vaccine efficacy has dropped to roughly 65% which means 30%-35% of fully vaccinated individuals are still going to contract the virus. Fortunately the vaccine is still holding up against severe illness. The reason for masks, we’re starting to see in studies out of Israel, is that vaccinated individuals are transmitting delta whereas they were not under the original virus. The R0 of the original virus is 2, meaning one individual will infect 2 others. The R0 of Delta is 8. And the R0 of Delta among vaccinated individuals is roughly 6. So vaccinated people are spreading the virus at a lower rate than unvaccinated people but still at a significantly higher rate than the original.
Here’s the real crux of the issue at this point IMO. How many resources and what financial impact should we as a society now accept? You’re right, other than kids under 12, everyone in the US can receive a vaccine. IMO, once every school age child can receive a vaccine I’m all for natural selection. People should choose. But if you choose not to be vaccinated how many resources should be expended on your care if you end up in the hospital or with long term chronic illness because of your choice?
The reality is we have yet to see the financial impact of Covid on the Health Care sector. IMO, if you thought inflation and the cost of health care was expensive before Covid, you haven’t seen anything yet. We’re another year or so before the medical bills really begin to hit and the impact they are going to have on insurance premiums and taxes to fund Medicare and Medicaid will be significant. IMO, Covid and the financial fallout on the healthcare system could be the thing that drives the US to a single payer system.
So if you as individual choose not to be vaccinated does that give doctors, nurses and the rest of society that did choose the vaccine the right to deny you the care you need because of your choice? You choose to exercise your right and freedoms, do we get our choice too?
Ultimately the answer is no. People make stupid choices all the time, and we still give them care. But it seems a valid question under the circumstances and one being asked more and more often.
Makes sense. Our area hospital had a similar issue a couple of weeks ago and needed to pull in more staff because Missouri had filled up Sioux City and Sioux Falls hospitals with referrals. Good luck trying to hire a nurse or respiratory therapist right now. Even if you could, it's tough to hire somebody you probably won't need a month from now.
Maybe Because it’s not a vaccine in the typical sense. It creates antibodies in a different way than vaccines we are used to that use actual small amounts of the virus itself. It just useds tricks to create proteins.
The exact same amount of resources we expand to smokers, vapers, chewers, fatties, druggies, alcoholics, anorexics, bulimics, those who don't get the flu shot, etc, etc.
My wife is a RN so naturally I know quite a few nurses. Some of them are leaving the major hospitals in Omaha because those hospitals are mandating their employees to get the vaccine.
I have a relative looking to move back to Omaha & they're applying to hospitals & clinics that aren't mandating the vaccine.
Right or wrong, that's probably not helping the staff shortage either.
No. I don’t know of anyone working on a Delta specific vaccine. I have read that Moderna is working on their original vaccine to provide greater response to Delta through a booster, but nothing specific to Delta other than that.
I think so far based on preliminary findings that a booster of the original vaccine will provide enough protection from Delta that a Delta specific vaccine is unlikely.
Long term I don’t think we will ever eradicate Covid. I think the vaccine will be much like the flu vaccine. We’ll get an annual booster that will prevent most infections but it’s primary purpose will be to prevent serious illness and death.
If this is a valid question for those not taking the Covid vaccine then it's also a valid question for all the other health issues people choose to partake in their lives.
Do we want to go down that road?
Plenty of nurses have had Covid and their reluctant to not getting the vaccine becomes their immune by having the virus..
Yes. And the same question has been asked in relation to everything from seat belts, to smoking, to helmets for motorcycle riders, to high fructose corn syrup and sodas.
Ultimately do we want to go down that road. No. But to deny its validity is to basically disregard its persistency over a myriad of issues over the past several decades.
just wondering who would enforce people wear masks at the games if large sections of the stadium take them off. ive rarely seen any real enforcement anywhere with masks during all of this. are police going to escort everyone out one by one? are they going to give a 15 yard penalty to the home team? will they cancel the game?
I don't know all the reasons, but I think the main one is because they have a 99% survival rate if they were to contract Covid.
I can understand that. I believe our health officials (from local UNMC Dr's all the way up to Fauci) missed a huge opportunity with Covid to tell people one of the ways to protect themselves against serious Covid complications is to get healthy.
Not only would that have helped against Covid (not solve it, help against it), it would've helped with a slew of other issues.
Instead they rolled with masks.
I used to work as a paramedic in kc and I will tell you hospital's there were always at captivity. Ku was always the worst. Idk how many patients I put in a bed in the halls because they were so overwhelmed or got redirected to another hospital because they were full. It happens more often then not. Truman med was always at capacity it seemed. Paramedics only have to sit with them till they give the report to the nurse which is not very long. They don't sit with them for hours like they are implying. 5 mins at most. Hospitals like to operate at high capacity that is how they make money. Icu beds are always at capacity in winter due to flu or pneumonia. The thing that make me so made is nobody is talking about diet with this pandemic. If our society became metabolically healthy not many people would be getting hospitalized but when 88% of people are not metabolically healthy this virus take a bigger toll. Really any virus for that matter. We eat out way to much and it's disgusting. Nobody takes the time to home cook anymore.
As much as I’d like to home cook, I work all day and am tired by dinner time. Need time to relax, partake in hobbies, and do chores in the evenings. And I don’t even have kids yet. But that means microwave meals and eating out cuz they save time and energy.
In this age of two working parents it’s a sacrifice to cook dinner. There’s a reason the stay-at-home mom was responsible for it back in the day… nobody wants to cook at 6 o’clock after a long day of work.
I’m all for encouraging women to have careers (if they want one… many are pressured by modern day feminists into having one). But this is one of the negative side effects of it.
Strongly recommended but not required. It says in the article that the only places it is required in Memorial Stadium are elevators and the press box.
I would assume KU and Truman would be pretty full most of the time. KU is one of the best in KC and both hospitals are downtown located in more urban settings. And probably get a significant am out of trauma overflow from the suburbs.
And yes some dialogue around health would have helped significantly. I know for me personally, I’m 40 (que the Mike Gundy gifs), I was in arguably the best shape of my life prepandemic. So I got Covid and breezed through it. I know many others who were not so fortunate though.
My wife and I went through this in 2019. It was way more stressful having the both of us working with 3 kids. Yeah the extra money was nice, but it wasn't necessary nor worth it to us so in Feb 2020 my wife started staying at home & it's been great.
Before kids I worked my butt, we lived below our means, etc to ensure my wife could stay at home some day in the future if she choose to.
Many of our friends ask us how we do it, but we don't live in a $300k+ house, we don't go on expensive vacations & we don't drive the newest vehicles.
I’ve post many times in different threads about Covid, insurance and our company.
So many people here know my stance on these subjects.
I don’t know how or when because I didn’t have symptoms. I had Covid sometime between February & August of 2020. I know this because I had an antibody test that came back that I did.
It was then that started doing my own research on this since the vaccine wasn’t an option. I like so many don’t trust our government, specially since January 20th.
In the past year after, the data available for people is much better. It now is starting to include vaccination rates, deaths, co morbidity that greatly added to that rate, and much more.
Since I had natural antibodies I didn’t want the vaccine, we didn’t have a company mandate that our employees had to be vaccinated.
Since we do a lot of work for & on government locations. We are required to follow what ever mandates they put in place. August 2nd we started another multi year, multi million dollar project in Alaska. Knowing that all federal contractors are required to vaccinated. July we started having the 25 guys that we were sending that weren’t already vaccinated to get their shots. I added myself to that list of 11 others.
We fly in to Fairbanks and drive over to the job site. We actually were staying in a barracks on the base. The military all is vaccinated so what could go wrong. Aug 7th several individuals said that they didn’t feel that great. We followed the base protocol and reported it. Those people were sent out to an isolated area waiting for results to return. Mind you that we are 1 of like 3 different contractor groups working at this time, so it just wasn’t our group.
Long story fast forwarded 80+ people including me all tested positive for the variant. No one died, or needed hospitalized but some really were sick for about a week. We later were told by the base medical personnel that they in fact had 250 immigrants from the southern border housed on the base. That they infected the vaccinated staff caring for them. We got infected eating at the base chow hall with other military employees who also were infected.
The point of this story is simple
1) don’t trust our government when it comes to this. They are doing a horrible job of putting out facts
2) Do your own research, talk to your doctor, your health your responsibility.
3) Planes load of immigrants are not being vaccinated but housed on every military base across the country. Where they are kept until they are Covid/Variant free. Then released into communities across the state.
4) The vaccines are safe to most people but several things you need to know.
Vaccination doesn’t mean you won’t get it
Doesn’t mean that you can’t or won’t transmit it to others
Being vaccinated doesn’t mean that it won’t mutate into different strains.
Paper, & cloth masks are less than 50% effective, only the N95 masks worn properly are.
5) Being unvaccinated doesn’t put others at anymore risk then a vaccinated individual. The unvaccinated individual has a higher of getting sicker/ dying specially if they have other health issues.
I hope everyone is smart with their decisions, educates themselves.
Our government says one thing but obviously does another. Please don’t turn this into a political thread that wasn’t the point.
Enjoy your weekend, I’ll be in Lincoln for the Northwestern game! Until then ... #GBR
So many people here know my stance on these subjects.
I don’t know how or when because I didn’t have symptoms. I had Covid sometime between February & August of 2020. I know this because I had an antibody test that came back that I did.
It was then that started doing my own research on this since the vaccine wasn’t an option. I like so many don’t trust our government, specially since January 20th.
In the past year after, the data available for people is much better. It now is starting to include vaccination rates, deaths, co morbidity that greatly added to that rate, and much more.
Since I had natural antibodies I didn’t want the vaccine, we didn’t have a company mandate that our employees had to be vaccinated.
Since we do a lot of work for & on government locations. We are required to follow what ever mandates they put in place. August 2nd we started another multi year, multi million dollar project in Alaska. Knowing that all federal contractors are required to vaccinated. July we started having the 25 guys that we were sending that weren’t already vaccinated to get their shots. I added myself to that list of 11 others.
We fly in to Fairbanks and drive over to the job site. We actually were staying in a barracks on the base. The military all is vaccinated so what could go wrong. Aug 7th several individuals said that they didn’t feel that great. We followed the base protocol and reported it. Those people were sent out to an isolated area waiting for results to return. Mind you that we are 1 of like 3 different contractor groups working at this time, so it just wasn’t our group.
Long story fast forwarded 80+ people including me all tested positive for the variant. No one died, or needed hospitalized but some really were sick for about a week. We later were told by the base medical personnel that they in fact had 250 immigrants from the southern border housed on the base. That they infected the vaccinated staff caring for them. We got infected eating at the base chow hall with other military employees who also were infected.
The point of this story is simple
1) don’t trust our government when it comes to this. They are doing a horrible job of putting out facts
2) Do your own research, talk to your doctor, your health your responsibility.
3) Planes load of immigrants are not being vaccinated but housed on every military base across the country. Where they are kept until they are Covid/Variant free. Then released into communities across the state.
4) The vaccines are safe to most people but several things you need to know.
Vaccination doesn’t mean you won’t get it
Doesn’t mean that you can’t or won’t transmit it to others
Being vaccinated doesn’t mean that it won’t mutate into different strains.
Paper, & cloth masks are less than 50% effective, only the N95 masks worn properly are.
5) Being unvaccinated doesn’t put others at anymore risk then a vaccinated individual. The unvaccinated individual has a higher of getting sicker/ dying specially if they have other health issues.
I hope everyone is smart with their decisions, educates themselves.
Our government says one thing but obviously does another. Please don’t turn this into a political thread that wasn’t the point.
Enjoy your weekend, I’ll be in Lincoln for the Northwestern game! Until then ... #GBR
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Depends what kind of cloth. Yellow cotton cloths flying around enough might do it haha.
By the time a jab is released for the Delta, a new strain will take it's place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place. Then when a jab is released for that strain, a new strain will take its place.
Boosters supposedly seem to be helping. I expect that we'll know more in a few weeks. I would think they're working on a better match for the variants in the next round of vaccine I bet we'll be taking within a year. I don't know that people with healthy immune systems have much to worry about yet if they've been vaccinated. I got my third dose a week or so ago. My reaction to the vaccine was a little more pronounced this time but I also suspect that I may have been exposed to COVID in the past month.
It will be interesting to see if they can churn out a revised vaccine soon or if Delta is just going to have to run through the population. My suspicion is that it's going to run through the population before they can adjust the antigens in a vaccine. The good news is that the vaccine does seem to offer some protection against Delta. Hopefully we'll avoid the nursing home deaths this go around. Every single seasoned citizen I know is out living life and not worrying about it anymore. Enough is enough.
maybe. That's pretty much how it works with influenza too. I'll take every "jab" they make. I'm not quite ready to turn over the farm to my heirs just yet.
I don't know what they're doing with Pfizer's. I had Moderna's and I already got boostered. I'm in a fairly high risk category with asthma and I'm on a T cell suppressor for an autoimmune disease which fits the criteria from the CDC. Other than that I'm pretty healthy, not overweight and I get lots of sunshine and exercise. I would bet that I had COVID right before I got my 3rd booster but don't have any way to prove it.
There are damned few that I know of refusing to get vaccinated and in my experience they are largely nurses without a very good scientific background. Not every nurse is a smart nurse or even good nurse. I know of exactly ONE Dr. in our area medical community of about 100 Dr.s who refuses to get vaccinated and he's a senile whack job urologist who writes goofy letters to an area newspaper. Even the docs who had COVID were getting vaccinated. I probably wouldn't get vaccinated if I had tested positive for COVID previously.
Have had my Pfizer shots and my father is now living with me at 94 and he has had his but we go out and eat in restaurants quite frequently not to mention I went to quite a few CWS games this summer..
Maybe. It’s quite possible. Which is exactly why I said future vaccines could be much like the flu vaccine. Give you protection from most flu strains, but not be entirely effective against all flu strains thus rendering even the vaccinated sick. But with primary function of limiting severe illness and death in place.
I get that. Cooking does take time. I'm guilty of eating fast food a lot. Once I started looking at what they put into our foods It turned me off. Its crazy to think that what we are eating is ok and all approved by the fda for human consumption. I make the time to make my own food now and plan around it. Most meals are 30 min meals so no worse then leaving and going to pick up something from a restaurant. I plan my meals and eat leftovers so I'm not cooking everyday. More or less meal prep. Makes it much easier to not eat out and a lot less stressful finding time to cook.
Thank you. Don't get me wrong, it's not perfect (kids drive my wife crazy many days, haha), but the less running around to & from work and more family time together is what we're going for.