I doubt the Freshman basketball team is required raise funds or have revenue to afford uniforms. So no, high school athletics doesn't work like that.
These poor girls in Bennington
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I enjoyed the suggestion that they were not trying to bring down the boys but to bring up the girls from the burden of less desirable garments and equipment and better gym times.
As if additional monies are magically obtained by the benevolent hand of government so that all may be equal.
What noble people.
When my kids were in soccer I had to pay cash out of pocket to clothe, equip, and officiate the games they would play. Everybody got paid except coaches and sideline flag monitors who were all parents.
When we disentangle our sports from government the Title IX stuff goes away.
Perhaps the days of high school sports are (and should be) done.
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As if additional monies are magically obtained by the benevolent hand of government so that all may be equal.
What noble people.
When my kids were in soccer I had to pay cash out of pocket to clothe, equip, and officiate the games they would play. Everybody got paid except coaches and sideline flag monitors who were all parents.
When we disentangle our sports from government the Title IX stuff goes away.
Perhaps the days of high school sports are (and should be) done.
Go Blue!
I think you are talking more about little kids and/or club soccer? Not high school sanctioned sports?
All sports that require public money.
When its an individual's money there is nothing to complain about, right?
When its public money people will contend for that pile of cash which has been procured by gub'ment. Often the people contending for it are the ones who disproportionately benefit from it.
If I and Mr & Mrs X pay $10 each in taxes that ends up funding the girls tennis team and Mr & Mrs X have a daughter that plays on that very same tennis team then who benefits and who pays for that benefit?
I contend that the X's should pay $200 for their own daughter thus allowing me and 18 other citizens of the city or state to keep our $10 dollars and spend it as we see fit.
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Ive been on a few budget committees over the years. What I found out very quickly? People LOVE spending other people's money.
You missed the point. Humans are constantly saying things aren't as good as they used to be, or that things are going down the drain. And yet we live and we die and it all keeps going. The Rome thing was an offhand reference, I could've referenced any period in time to make the point that people living AT THAT TIME were whining about how things used to be better, how we've turned our backs on God, blah blah blah. It's bullcrap.
I have a girl in high school and I will tell you that girls sports always take a backseat to boys sports. Girls get leftover equipment/uniforms, are not recognized the same even when the girls team is superior to the boys team in the same sport, and, generally, are treated as second rate. At one time, girls sports were not great but now, I can make the argument that girls sports surpass the boys in a lot of areas. If you watched the girls state bball tournament last week, which I am sure most of you didn't, the quality of bball was great and can be much more entertaining than the boys. As for facilities, I can understand a softball facility being smaller than a baseball facility but if it is uniforms, travel, practice times, recognition, etc., the boys shouldn't be prioritized. These girls put just as much time and effort in as the boys and they deserve equal treatment.
I am not sure it is about beating them though. In a high school sports, unless you are talking about high school football in a few states, there is very little, if any revenue generated. In our high school, pre covid, we averaged about 4000 fans per game for 5 maybe 6 home games, barely enough revenue generated to fund the varsity let alone all the sub-varsity teams. Yet the Freshman B team will inevitably take priority over the varsity volleyball team in all aspects. It is what it is, but you can't blame people for speaking out about inequities in high school sports when, like I said, everyone is taking money from the district, city, county or state cofers.
I will say, I would much rather watch college softball than college baseball. I am not alone either. I believe, in at least 2 or 3 years since 2015, the WCWS had better TV ratings than the CWS.
I understood your point. I think you missed mine.
The poster said we have turned from God and will reap what we have sown. When we embrace a world view of relativism then we must accept that his point of view is as valid as yours or anybody else. However, many on this thread chose merely to mock him and his beliefs rather than address his point.
Your point of the coffee patron in Rome is invalid because he was right, Rome (or empire of your choosing) was all going to hell and is now dust.
What if HuskerOH is correct?
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ps. Your thesis on the responsibility of Christianity bringing down Rome is a new one on me. Did you even read your post supporting this position?
"The decline of Rome dovetailed with the spread of Christianity, and some have argued that the rise of a new faith helped contribute to the empire’s fall. The Edict of Milan legalized Christianity in 313, and it later became the state religion in 380. These decrees ended centuries of persecution, but they may have also eroded the traditional Roman values system. Christianity displaced the polytheistic Roman religion, which viewed the emperor as having a divine status, and also shifted focus away from the glory of the state and onto a sole deity. Meanwhile, popes and other church leaders took an increased role in political affairs, further complicating governance. The 18th-century historian Edward Gibbon was the most famous proponent of this theory, but his take has since been widely criticized. While the spread of Christianity may have played a small role in curbing Roman civic virtue, most scholars now argue that its influence paled in comparison to military, economic and administrative factors."
Yes, I read it. And it stands for exactly the premise that I posted it to support. You understood my point, so thanks for acknowledging that. I don't understand your point, at least as far as you keep ignoring the bigger point in order to continue an inane debate about Rome. The United States isn't going anywhere in my life or yours and yet you want to keep arguing that you're right about how it's going down the drain. To repeat: It's bullcrap. By all means continue with your hysterics.
I have not argued anything other than that we as a people should remove sports funding from government then all those Title IX issues go away.
Your premise was that those naughty Christians brought Rome down then you posted a blurb that says that view is a big pile of steaming poo. I did not bring up Rome you did. I said it was irrelevant by saying "empire of your choice". I did not say that the United States is going down the drain in anybody's lifetime.
Who is hysterical?
Merely saying "It's bullcrap" is not a convincing argument.
You want so bad to win you care nothing about truth.
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TampaDumb, that was about as stupid of a statement when responding to a post as I've seen. Where did I say they could beat the boys, retard? I said their product is superior in a lot of ways and they deserve equal uniforms, equipment, scheduling, recognition. I can tell you this, the US women's soccer team is certainly more entertaining and infinitely more successful than the US men's team. They sure grow them dumb in Florida.
I know enough about youth athletics to know that parents of girls sports teams are far more intense and borderline insane with their "support" of their child.
You can make the argument (please don't), but you and the parents you are sitting with at your girls games are literally the only ones doing so.
I never said that Christians brought down Rome. That's 100% false. So I guess we know who can't read.
What are you talking about? To be clear, you are saying girls should not be given equal equipment, uniforms, practice time, scheduling, recognition in high school. Is that right, bigot?
True. You presented it as a valid idea because you do not recognize irony then provided supporting documentation that said it was a dumb idea.
I withdraw the statement.
Now about that claim of hysterics...
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Great, you admit A) you were wrong, and B) you're still right. That Michigan education wins again! LOL. But thanks for admitting I was right. For the record, this is a message board, no one "wins." Some people just look dumb.
Please don't call me a bigot for disagreeing with you but rather read my response below and answer honestly....
What is "equal" in this scenario? For example...if less people are involved in an activity (my sons freshmen baseball team had 125 people try out to girls softball that was like 35-40??), if less people are required to do said activity (less people means less coaches needed, admin staff, etc), and if less time is needed at practice fields because there are less people doing it so you don't need to be there as long but the players end up with the same amount of reps because they didn't have to share as much, and less people are in the stands for whatever activity we are talking about, and less money is required to run it because every single metric used to make this activity happen is less which means it costs less, then what is fair? Are you suggesting the different sports all get the exact same amount of dollars to run them? Because that doesn't seem fair to me, so what's your suggestion?
Now that’s just rude of you confusing the uneducated parent of the year.
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I think he has some valid points....I just don't think it's wise to start calling people bigots because you disagree with them.
Imma gonna say something her I still cannot wrap my brain around that I'm going to say. Complaints like this and the legal action, etc, etc, is why the term white privilege is gaining traction. For example, my girlfriend of 18 months yesterday was a social worker in the deep south for over a decade, we're talking deep, south, after that she worked in a grade school when she got tired of driving so much as a guidance counselor...I told her about this story and she literally laughed out loud. Literally, laughed. For over a decade she worked with people who would LOVE to ***** about this stuff, but there is no opportunity in many of those places to even get to a point to complain about it. Maybe we should keep that in mind sometimes to.
Lastly, think about how impossible it is to please every parent and kid in a school district and what a thankless job it can be trying to do it. There is never enough money or time.
So try outs are what, one day? After that how many are on each team baseball and softball in this example? It's got to be fairly close
It was just one example...but well done picking that out and running with it. Many high schools field two freshmen baseball teams because of demand...does softball do that? Does softball also have a JV team and a varsity team in conjunction with the freshman team?? Do most schools do that?? IDK the answer...I was just trying to provide some examlles of why it might seem off balance, but really isn't when all factors are considered.
That would be me. It's an excellent word, IMO. Sometimes (after slipping on my dungarees) I like to sit on the davenport, prop my feet up on the hassock and ruminate over what word I should use next.
Having coached a few years at the sub varsity and varsity levels in three different sport over the years in high schools. Much of the differences depend on the focus of the school. The girl’s sports I coached were given quality equipment and uniforms because the schools prioritized those sports. I have coached at boys sports that the coaches joked we were behind the freshman girls tennis team that didn’t exist in priority for equipment and funding for even basic needs to coach and prepare our teams.
Schools set the tone. Success helps and so does interest in the sports at those schools.
Knowing some of the coaches at Bennington, this situation feels like a push using the current climate as an assist.
May the girls teams there be treated well. May some additional facts come out that explain the decision making process by those that are making them.
Schools set the tone. Success helps and so does interest in the sports at those schools.
Knowing some of the coaches at Bennington, this situation feels like a push using the current climate as an assist.
May the girls teams there be treated well. May some additional facts come out that explain the decision making process by those that are making them.
Since I guess namecalling is OK now, I get to call you an idiot because you can't read.
You said, "At one time, girls sports were not great but now, I can make the argument that girls sports surpass the boys in a lot of areas." I quoted you and replied, "You can make the argument (please don't), but you and the parents you are sitting with at your girls games are literally the only ones doing so."
Where did I say anything about "equal equipment, uniforms, practice time, scheduling, recognition in high school", idiot?
Women's soccer players are smaller, slower, less powerful, don't kick as hard or far, and don't possess any skills that the men don't also have. Since it's literally the same game (unlike baseball/softball),...serious question, what about women's soccer is more entertaining than men's?
In KS, the Activities Association makes the call on these things. They limit how many VB or FB coaches each size school can have. They don't care how many kids try out, that's up to the school to figure out how you get down to a manageable number through try outs, cuts, etc.
Each school then decides how to pay those coaches. Generally it is a % of the base or a dollar amount and a %. The biggy there is you have teacher's unions that give their blessings through mandatory negotiations so you can have one sport get more than another and women's more than men's at times.
There is also, or at least there is supposed to be, a limit on practice time so that answers your court/field time but you also get your numbers down to manage that. I don't know of any school that keeps 125 kids out for 9 spots on a baseball team.
I had a few people that wanted to "coach" because they thought really help a team. In KS, that is against the rules and KSHSAA does not allow "volunteer" coaches. You get what you get based on your school size.
Your quote, "I know enough about youth athletics to know that parents of girls sports teams are far more intense and borderline insane with their "support" of their child.
You can make the argument (please don't), but you and the parents you are sitting with at your girls games are literally the only ones doing so."
What about your point was directed at my argument that high school girls deserve equal treatment? Huh? You and TampaTard and the rest who use the argument that girls are inferior to boys athletically or the support of girls by their parents are not responding to what I or the whole point of the Bennington argument is. Girls in HIGH SCHOOLS deserve the same quality of uniforms, equipment, practice time, etc. as boys. End of story. My point that girls sports can be even better than boys to watch is meant as a personal observation also having two sons who play. Your point made absolutely no sense except you and the TampaTard believe HIGH SCHOOL girls don't deserve the the same level of EQUIPMENT, UNIFORMS, PRACTICE TIME, ETC. Get it? It's not about being superior athletically, or whether the US Women's team can't beat the men's team (which isn't about HIGH SCHOOL equity and this case is), it's about the dollars spent and opportunities provided should be equally weighted. If a baseball field is larger than a softball field, that makes sense. If a HIGH SCHOOL girl's team doesn't get the same level of UNIFORMS, EQUIPMENT, TIME, TRAVEL, which I have definitely seen, then it's shame on the HIGH SCHOOL system and something should change.
That's easy...none, you idiot. My point wasn't directed at your "equal treatment" comments at all. It was specifically targeted at your comment that "girls sports surpass the boys in a lot of areas ", which is why I quoted it. Again, read and try to comprehend what I write, idiot.