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Migue Lobo

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Running the option.

With the level of kids we can recruit, we could run that offense even better.

Also being the only offense in the B1G that runs it. Coaches would only have 3-4 days to plan to stop it.

Gives us immediate brand and identity. It’s not like we are recruiting Joe Montana’s anyways to play QB. We already have McCaffery on the roster...
 
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How does their QB squat so low under center? Butt has gotta be no more than 3 inches off the ground.
 
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Migue Lobo said:
Running the option.

With the level of kids we can recruit, we could run that offense even better.

Also being the only offense in the B1G that runs it. Coaches would only have 3-4 days to plan to stop it.

Gives us immediate brand and identity. It’s not like we are recruiting Joe Montana’s anyways to play QB. We already have McCaffery on the roster...
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This works in theory, but with so few high school kids running it really limits the pool of developed skill position athletes you can recruit from.
 
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Crazyhole said:
This works in theory, but with so few high school kids running it really limits the pool of developed skill position athletes you can recruit from.
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You need athletes that can run and play physical and lineman that can fire off the ball run and cut.
The system can be taught.
 
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Crazyhole said:
This works in theory, but with so few high school kids running it really limits the pool of developed skill position athletes you can recruit from.
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Not sure it’d be good for our defense either. They wouldn’t be able to effectively practice against more standard offenses.
 
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This is a terrific idea guys. Next year when Nebraska plays:

Louisiana- Monroe
Mercer
Navy
Middle Tennessee State
Citadel
UT San Antonio
Georgia Southern
Air Force



That option game should help us a ton.
 
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Crazyhole

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1. Discipline
2. Option offense
3. Huge fan base
4. Lose to west Virginia

All we need is #1 and #2, then our dreams will come true.
 
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Crazyhole said:
This works in theory, but with so few high school kids running it really limits the pool of developed skill position athletes you can recruit from.
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This is a bad take. I think it works this way for qbs when you are talking about option -> spread, but other way around not so much. You can’t turn joe daily into a pro style qb, but you could take a mert and make him run triple option under center.
 
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With the high powered, quick strike offenses in college football these days, the option wouldnt work against better teams. If you get down by 2 TDs then game over in most cases.
 
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donahues17 said:
With the high powered, quick strike offenses in college football these days, the option wouldnt work against better teams. If you get down by 2 TDs then game over in most cases.
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The option would work just fine today. Georgia Tech usually had decent to good offenses while Paul Johnson was there. Their defense was usually the problem.
 
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oldjar07 said:
The option would work just fine today. Georgia Tech usually had decent to good offenses while Paul Johnson was there. Their defense was usually the problem.
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Well is your point that we should be trying to achieve a decent to good offense? While I agree that it would be a step up from where we currently performing, I’m not sure a decent team wins more than 6-7 games in the B1G.

Paul Johnson was 82-59 at Georgia Tech.
 
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EastOregonHusker said:
Well is your point that we should be trying to achieve a decent to good offense? While I agree that it would be a step up from where we currently performing, I’m not sure a decent team wins more than 6-7 games in the B1G.

Paul Johnson was 82-59 at Georgia Tech.
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The way Paul Johnson ran it is different than we did. Besides I think we could get much better players than Georgia Tech did. So yes, an option offense can still be a great offense. Especially if we were able to bring in the type of players Tom had in the 90's and with his kind of coaching, TO would be able to run over any modern defense running the exact same schemes he did back then.
 
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oldjar07 said:
The way Paul Johnson ran it is different than we did. Besides I think we could get much better players than Georgia Tech did. So yes, an option offense can still be a great offense. Especially if we were able to bring in the type of players Tom had in the 90's and with his kind of coaching, TO would be able to run over any modern defense running the exact same schemes he did back then.
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Isn’t that what we tried with Solich? Maybe TO was the only one that could effectively run his offense.
 
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dinglefritz

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Isn’t that what we tried with Solich? Maybe TO was the only one that could effectively run his offense.
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For all of Frank's problems with clock management and play calling, his downfall wasn't his ability to run Tom's offense. His downfall was his recruiting and his staff's lack of professionalism. First there was Bohl's personal problems which lead directly to that blowout at CU. Then there were a myriad of problems with alcohol, drugs and personal behavior with other guys the next year. It was a mess. His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40s by Rivals and he didn't have a QB. Joe Daly was not going to cut it.

Pederson's relationship with Dave Wannstedt is ultimately why Frank got fired when he did IMO. IF not for that, I think Frank would have stuck around at least one more year. Timing is everything in life and Wannstedt really f'd Pederson over by backing out of their verbal agreement from what I've heard. I knew several weeks before the end of the regular season that Frank was toast. A booster of substance very close to Pederson and Frank told me that. He also said that Wannstedt was going to get canned at Miami and he had agreed in principle to coach the Huskers. My what a sticky web old Pedie wove.
 
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dinglefritz said:
For all of Frank's problems with clock management and play calling, his downfall wasn't his ability to run Tom's offense. His downfall was his recruiting and his staff's lack of professionalism. First there was Bohl's personal problems which lead directly to that blowout at CU. Then there were a myriad of problems with alcohol, drugs and personal behavior with other guys the next year. It was a mess. His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40s by Rivals and he didn't have a QB. Joe Daly was not going to cut it.

Pederson's relationship with Dave Wannstedt is ultimately why Frank got fired when he did IMO. IF not for that, I think Frank would have stuck around at least one more year. Timing is everything in life and Wannstedt really f'd Pederson over by backing out of their verbal agreement from what I've heard. I knew several weeks before the end of the regular season that Frank was toast. A booster of substance very close to Pederson and Frank told me that. He also said that Wannstedt was going to get canned at Miami and he had agreed in principle to coach the Huskers. My what a sticky web old Pedie wove.
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And Wannstedt eventually went on to PiTT and Callahan ended up beating Pedy’s original hire twice...

Pederson was so conceded he thought he was going to turn Nebraska into his own National power..
 
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dinglefritz said:
For all of Frank's problems with clock management and play calling, his downfall wasn't his ability to run Tom's offense. His downfall was his recruiting and his staff's lack of professionalism. First there was Bohl's personal problems which lead directly to that blowout at CU. Then there were a myriad of problems with alcohol, drugs and personal behavior with other guys the next year. It was a mess. His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40s by Rivals and he didn't have a QB. Joe Daly was not going to cut it.

Pederson's relationship with Dave Wannstedt is ultimately why Frank got fired when he did IMO. IF not for that, I think Frank would have stuck around at least one more year. Timing is everything in life and Wannstedt really f'd Pederson over by backing out of their verbal agreement from what I've heard. I knew several weeks before the end of the regular season that Frank was toast. A booster of substance very close to Pederson and Frank told me that. He also said that Wannstedt was going to get canned at Miami and he had agreed in principle to coach the Huskers. My what a sticky web old Pedie wove.
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Exactly how it went down
 
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dinglefritz

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scarletred said:
And Wannstedt eventually went on to PiTT and Callahan ended up beating Pedy’s original hire twice...

Pederson was so conceded he thought he was going to turn Nebraska into his own National power..
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If you looked at Wannstedt's resume, he was VERY qualified to be a college head coach. Ironically, I thought when Pitt fired him that they had pulled the trigger too early and that their expectations were unrealistic. He had recruited some really good kids and had some nice young talent on his roster. I think Pitt screwed the pooch by firing him. Wannstedt would have been a MUCH better fit at NU than Callahan but I doubt he would have won enough to placate the people who were pissed about Frank getting fired. Damn I'm glad I'm not a football coach.
 
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dinglefritz said:
For all of Frank's problems with clock management and play calling, his downfall wasn't his ability to run Tom's offense. His downfall was his recruiting and his staff's lack of professionalism. First there was Bohl's personal problems which lead directly to that blowout at CU. Then there were a myriad of problems with alcohol, drugs and personal behavior with other guys the next year. It was a mess. His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40s by Rivals and he didn't have a QB. Joe Daly was not going to cut it.

Pederson's relationship with Dave Wannstedt is ultimately why Frank got fired when he did IMO. IF not for that, I think Frank would have stuck around at least one more year. Timing is everything in life and Wannstedt really f'd Pederson over by backing out of their verbal agreement from what I've heard. I knew several weeks before the end of the regular season that Frank was toast. A booster of substance very close to Pederson and Frank told me that. He also said that Wannstedt was going to get canned at Miami and he had agreed in principle to coach the Huskers. My what a sticky web old Pedie wove.
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Do you think Frost would recruit better for that offense in our current situation?
 
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dinglefritz

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Do you think Frost would recruit better for that offense in our current situation?
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I'm a little confused as to what your asking but yes I think Frost's recruiting would be much better than Frank's. I also think Frost could run much of Tom's offense with the current guys he has on the roster. Really in some ways he's taking some things from Tom already. I would LOVE to see him line them up in the I at times and run some old school option and fullback plays just to give a different look to the defense. The Niners run much of the same shotgun spread stuff that NU does and then they'll line up with a fullback. It can be done but you really need to have a true fullback IMO to do it. Motioning a 6-7 TE to do a fullback's job isn't the same thing.
 
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We should keep a tally on how many of these threads get posted. Every time one of the service academies or GT is on the field.
 
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WHCSC said:
Isn’t that what we tried with Solich? Maybe TO was the only one that could effectively run his offense.
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Solich turned the offense into almost exclusively relying on the quarterback. Still got us to a national championship game. Solich also wasn't as effective at calling the option pass. This was the real secret to TO's option attack in the 90's. The option itself could get maybe 8-10 yards a pop when it was run well, but when TO called the option pass at the opportune time, that baby was just 6 points waiting to happen.
 
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dinglefritz said:
For all of Frank's problems with clock management and play calling, his downfall wasn't his ability to run Tom's offense. His downfall was his recruiting and his staff's lack of professionalism. First there was Bohl's personal problems which lead directly to that blowout at CU. Then there were a myriad of problems with alcohol, drugs and personal behavior with other guys the next year. It was a mess. His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked in the 40s by Rivals and he didn't have a QB. Joe Daly was not going to cut it.

Pederson's relationship with Dave Wannstedt is ultimately why Frank got fired when he did IMO. IF not for that, I think Frank would have stuck around at least one more year. Timing is everything in life and Wannstedt really f'd Pederson over by backing out of their verbal agreement from what I've heard. I knew several weeks before the end of the regular season that Frank was toast. A booster of substance very close to Pederson and Frank told me that. He also said that Wannstedt was going to get canned at Miami and he had agreed in principle to coach the Huskers. My what a sticky web old Pedie wove.
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Frank was def hamstrung with Tom's assistants the last few years as they got long in the tooth and didn't quite have the same fire in their belly anymore for recruiting. Only thing I feel bad about for Frank was he never got his guys for assistants except that last year with Pelini etc, but you're right the off field stuff was mounting long before that and the writing on the wall was known long ways out. I will say Frank never was the closer Tom was either when it came to recruiting....
 
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oldjar07 said:
Solich turned the offense into almost exclusively relying on the quarterback. Still got us to a national championship game. Solich also wasn't as effective at calling the option pass. This was the real secret to TO's option attack in the 90's. The option itself could get maybe 8-10 yards a pop when it was run well, but when TO called the option pass at the opportune time, that baby was just 6 points waiting to happen.
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Alot of that was because of Eric Crouch. My wife was his math teacher @ Millard North and we went to a lot of his HS games his senior year. All he did was literally run the ball almost every play, it was crazy to watch. I think Solich rode that horse same way @ DONU and even after Crouch left with the other QBs, Lord etc. Interesting thing would have been seeing him do that with Joe Dailey because he wasn't a good fit for the option as well as Billy C's offense.
 
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dinglefritz said:
I'm a little confused as to what your asking
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Solich’s recruiting was given as the reason for his downfall. I was just wondering if Frost would do any better recruiting to an option offense given our recent struggles.
 
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Solich's biggest miss was Carl Crawford, he comes to Nebraska instead of MLB and it could've been a game changer for Frank. Carl made the right choice imo as I would give my left you know what to be a MLB player.
 
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Solich’s recruiting was given as the reason for his downfall. I was just wondering if Frost would do any better recruiting to an option offense given our recent struggles.
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I think Frank didn't quite know how to recruit. He was more of a coach and technician than a recruiter.
Scott may be the opposite, so there is a chance that he could pull off this offensive scheme quite well and recruit to it.
 
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dinglefritz

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Frank was def hamstrung with Tom's assistants the last few years as they got long in the tooth and didn't quite have the same fire in their belly anymore for recruiting. Only thing I feel bad about for Frank was he never got his guys for assistants except that last year with Pelini etc, but you're right the off field stuff was mounting long before that and the writing on the wall was known long ways out. I will say Frank never was the closer Tom was either when it came to recruiting....
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My only problem with your post was that in fact the Pelini's were some of Frank's problem that last year. Carl banging a player's wife and that in turn cost us a future NFL D lineman who was cousins with that current NU player was a problem. Then you had Bo's embarrassing chase of Tom's buddy Snyder off the field. Bo on the surface may have been an upgrade as a DC, but he was horribly deficient on the recruiting front. Frank really needed a guy who would recruit his *** off. Everybody forgets Pedie's tenure as Tom's recruiting coordinator and why Tom recommended him for the AD's job. Pedie's biggest beef with Frank probably was over recruiting then followed by this staff's personal issues.
 
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