Will all due respect, you have no idea what Frost is doing. We as fans think we know the answer because maybe we played a little ball back in the day, but some of the stuff we come up with on what we think Frost is doing is comical.
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Will all due respect, you have no idea what Frost is doing. We as fans think we know the answer because maybe we played a little ball back in the day, but some of the stuff we come up with on what we think Frost is doing is comical.
Tressel? Yea Tressel ran the ball man. Urban won 1 and they ran the ball more than they passed before Herman left.
Scott Recruited too many wide receivers under 6 foot in his first 3 classes.
Finally this latest class adds some height
Reading this thread is interesting.
What the heck is the "Oregon" offense? It is just a spread offense that almost everyone uses in some fashion today. It was designed to spread the field, get players in space and put pressure on the D by creating mismatches. What is so different from Frost's spread? Or for that matter, any spread that is used today?
Over and over I see the comment about going wide. I guess Osborne didn't really run a toss sweep did he? Or an option or a wingback reverse?
It was well documented that Oregon's O was unique at the time but no longer is. It was also documented that it worked until they came up against teams with great athletes on the D side. In today's world, the benefits of the "Oregon" spread O (whatever that really was) is no longer a big advantage. That's not to say the spread concepts are still not relevant, they are as many teams use them to an extent. Many D coordinators have gone to a 4-2-5 to combat the spread offense. It is part of the evolution of the game.
Some of us have lived long enough to see about every type of O there is. All have worked at one time or another, all have advantages and disadvantages. It really comes down to coaching at the lowest level to make it work. The comment about Jimmies and Joes is good to an extent. Jimmies and Joes who know what to do and can do it within the confines of the O you are working with makes a big difference.
Something is seriously wrong in Lincoln. We continue to recruit WR's that do not produce. I thought the addition of Mills was a signal to a more power running game and it is not turned out that way. Washington was the speed and allusive back Frost coveted and there are busts all over the place in recruiting. Something is seriously wrong in player development.
I am weary of reading the play calling complaints post after post. What is the definition of a good play call? One that gains 4 yards? Did the QB change the play at the LOS? Did he utilize the RPO in that situation? Did the QB just miss his target even though it was actually a good play call but execution was the problem?
EVERY offense is designed to fool the D. I guess running option football over and over and then running an option look only to have the QB drop back and pass has been forgotten by some on here.
I am also tired of reading that we need better players to compete with tOSU. That is a true statement but maybe we need to beat Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern first. Do we have at least as good a talent base as most other teams in our division? On paper yes we do. Then what the heck is holding us back from competing with these teams. Oh, right, it is play calling I guess.
What the heck is the "Oregon" offense? It is just a spread offense that almost everyone uses in some fashion today. It was designed to spread the field, get players in space and put pressure on the D by creating mismatches. What is so different from Frost's spread? Or for that matter, any spread that is used today?
Over and over I see the comment about going wide. I guess Osborne didn't really run a toss sweep did he? Or an option or a wingback reverse?
It was well documented that Oregon's O was unique at the time but no longer is. It was also documented that it worked until they came up against teams with great athletes on the D side. In today's world, the benefits of the "Oregon" spread O (whatever that really was) is no longer a big advantage. That's not to say the spread concepts are still not relevant, they are as many teams use them to an extent. Many D coordinators have gone to a 4-2-5 to combat the spread offense. It is part of the evolution of the game.
Some of us have lived long enough to see about every type of O there is. All have worked at one time or another, all have advantages and disadvantages. It really comes down to coaching at the lowest level to make it work. The comment about Jimmies and Joes is good to an extent. Jimmies and Joes who know what to do and can do it within the confines of the O you are working with makes a big difference.
Something is seriously wrong in Lincoln. We continue to recruit WR's that do not produce. I thought the addition of Mills was a signal to a more power running game and it is not turned out that way. Washington was the speed and allusive back Frost coveted and there are busts all over the place in recruiting. Something is seriously wrong in player development.
I am weary of reading the play calling complaints post after post. What is the definition of a good play call? One that gains 4 yards? Did the QB change the play at the LOS? Did he utilize the RPO in that situation? Did the QB just miss his target even though it was actually a good play call but execution was the problem?
EVERY offense is designed to fool the D. I guess running option football over and over and then running an option look only to have the QB drop back and pass has been forgotten by some on here.
I am also tired of reading that we need better players to compete with tOSU. That is a true statement but maybe we need to beat Minnesota, Iowa and Northwestern first. Do we have at least as good a talent base as most other teams in our division? On paper yes we do. Then what the heck is holding us back from competing with these teams. Oh, right, it is play calling I guess.
Callahan's second year, he was run heavy. I went to the Iowa State game in Ames. It was a chilly night. He kept it on the ground about 75% of the time and just wore them down. Quite enjoyable. Time of possession was excellent
Play calling, QB play, pnealties, injuries to key players, youth at too many spots right now on the O line especially. We started a redshirt Freshman at linebacker because of an injury. Reimers. Then he gets his bell run trying to avoid targeting and we're down to the next guy on the depth chart for that spot. That KILLED us against Minnesota. It's been a combination of things every single game we've blown. I think we can fix it.
Interestingly when you watch some of the offenses in the NFL now with guys considered to be the best OCs in the league, they're running many of the same formations and plays that Frost runs in some form or another. Buffalo, San Fran, Baltimore etc. San Fran does like to run fullbacks in there some though......
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The easiest thing for an inexperienced O line to do is run block. Get em lathered up run blocking, then use your play action. I hope we lean on the run game tomorrow.
Well, there's really 4 main schools of the "Spread" offense. "Spread Offense" is a really vague term. Most casual fans will call it that because that's what they hear the color commentator call it. All it really explains is that the offense is using 3 to 5 wide receivers. The Spread as we know it today was initially developed by Lavell Edwards at BYU. Interestingly enough some of his pupils include Mike Holmgren, Andy Reid, Brian Billick, Steve Sarkisian, and Norm Chow. Mike Leach never played college football but guess where he got his undergrad degree from? you guessed it, BYU. Leach was also heavily influenced by Edwards offense.
One school of the spread that came out of Edwards scheme was the Air Raid, which Hal Mumme and Mike Leach as his assistant developed by taking a lot of Edwards ideas and fine tuning them into their own system at Iowa Wesleyan, Valdosta State, and finally Kentucky. Before Hal was fired for a recruiting violation by one of his assistants and Mike left to go be the OC at Oklahoma and later the HC at Texas Tech, Washington State, and Mississippi State. Leach and Mumme's former players and assistants include Kliff Kingsbury, Art Briles, Lincoln Riley, Dana Holgerson, Sonny Dykes, Neal Brown, and Josh Heupel.
Another school of the spread would be the Spread zone option. This was developed by a number of different coaches. Including Chip Kelly, Rich Rodriguez, and Urban Meyer. Chip explained the genesis of the offense from when he was at New Hampshire, his team was running out of full backs due to injuries. So they had to figure out a way to run the ball while still getting their best 11 on the field. Chip and Urban have a very long history of sharing ideas and bouncing ideas off one another going back to Chip's days at UNH. Urban hired Ryan Day as his offensive coordinator at Ohio State who is a former player and pupil of Chip's at New Hampshire. We all know Scott's history with Chip.
The third school of the spread would be what I call the smashmouth spread. There is a lot of overlap between each school but this probably has the most in common with the Spread Zone Option. Gus Malzahn is probably the most famous architect of this system, which he largely developed as a modern form of the Wing-T. Chad Morris, Dana Holgerson, Urban Meyer, and Art Briles also used a lot of the concepts when they were coaching.
The final school of the spread I would describe is the Pro Spread. The developers of this are Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren. When you see Patrick Mahomes ripping apart defenses on Sundays he's doing it was concepts that Andy learned from Edwards and has innovated throughout his time in the league. Lane Kiffin runs something pretty similar at Ole Miss now and Sarkisian also uses something I would classify as this.
Agree on lots of different things can work. No one offense is better than another. A great coach once told me you can run any offense you want. It doesn't matter if you're running Pro Style, Wing-T, Air Raid, Spread, West Coast, Maryland I, Wishbone, or Split Veer. It all comes down to execution.
The big problem in Lincoln right now is execution. Now what's to blame for that? Who knows. But it's probably a number of different things that people have already alluded to. Lack of players, poor coaching, penalties. I think Scott's a smart enough coach to work things out. I have a feeling he'll do some soul searching after this season and make some staff changes and do a better job finding the right kind of kid to bring to Lincoln.
I agree. If we're not going to bring back our old offense that Frost ran as Qb, then we might as well commit to air raid. I'm sure it'd work well for us, considering Adrian can't make more than 1-2 reads anyway. Running game would only improve from our current garbage heap by benefiting from an actual passing game.
Sometimes I wish we did get the Pirate...
Fact. It's a myth that cold weather affects the overall passing game. It could be argued however, that almost all QBs do better when playing indoors.
I've picked up on that a lot too. But good grief is our execution horrible. The NFL teams will successfully throw the ball down field whereas we cannot. That's all the difference in the world. Defenses are crowding us at the line.
IMO, the offense does not work in the B1G for a whole season. It might work in a one-off game but not all season in the B1G. Besides that, Frost has not been a good head coach for the B1G environment. Sorry, I liked Frost but he's not cutting it here.
I’d probably drop the “with all due respect” part...you’re right...people post the stupidest thoughts.
Delusional. Who are they going to get that's better? They sure as **** arent getting Urban or Chris Petersen
I feel like there is a little pistol in there-popularized by Chris Ault at UNR. Not as much as Taylor Martinez/Ameer Abdullah era Nebraska, but I think we occasionally line up in it.
Everybody wants to win. Problem with that is that there is a winner and loser in every game.
Randomly select 30 college head coaches put them on a board and throw a dart. Chances are exceptionally good it lands on a coach better than Skip Kelly. Bonus: that coach probably does not have a history of NCAA sanctions.
The UCLA QB is really athletic, but I am going to have to disagree with you on him playing on Sundays. I will be very surprised if he does. I watch a lot of Pac 12 football and I don't see it. Hey, I maybe wrong.