Chip Kelly

[Rcnut223]

I find it ironic that Chip Kelly's record in 3 years at UCLA is 10-20, Frosty's at Nebraaka is 11-20. Both run the same basic offense, both have had issues on Defense nd both inherited a mess.

Niether has been able to turn the programs they are in charge of around. Frost is #2 in the Hot Seat Ranking, Kelly is 28th.

Is the Oregon offensive scheme to blame , the wishbone died when Defense's figured out how to defend it. Has this Offense become antiquated as well? ?

Or... is the coach to Blame? Recruiting ? support? is the

 

[Headcard]

I don't think Chip is running much of the Oregon offense anymore.

 

[FortNebraska]

Only place Chip is running is to McDonalds.

And yes, the system is garbage. Time of possession matters. This style is a joke.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

The offense is predicated on attacking the weakness of the defense. If they load the box you run a screen. If they guard against the screen you run the ball and you do that at as fast a tempo as you possibly can. That is the offense. Tempo Tempo Tempo of the same play. It will look like you are running different plays but you really arent. Thats the package offense. The way teams beat this offense is they have better players that can throw off the numerical advantage by virtue of just being really damn good. But in the early 2010s this shredded defenses like FSU and Bama. I'm not sure what to think about this system. Ryan Day is running a version of it at Ohio State pretty well but Scott and Chips versions are shitting the bed.

 

[Headcard]

The offense is predicated on attacking the weakness of the defense. If they load the box you run a screen. If they guard against the screen you run the ball and you do that at as fast a tempo as you possibly can. That is the offense. Tempo Tempo Tempo of the same play. It will look like you are running different plays but you really arent. Thats the package offense. The way teams beat this offense is they have better players that can throw off the numerical advantage by virtue of just being really damn good. But in the early 2010s this shredded defenses like FSU and Bama. I'm not sure what to think about this system. Ryan Day is running a version of it at Ohio State pretty well but Scott and Chips versions are shitting the bed.

Chip and Scott are not running the same offense.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/ch...-oregon-blur-seven-years-reason-stats-college

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/fading-genius-the-sad-decline-of-chip-kelly.html

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Chip is working with a legit QB.....he may not have a record to show it but his QB is going to be playing on Sundays...ours will just be eating sundaes.


...edit, I feel kind of bad for posting that. It was a cheap shot, Adrian is giving it everything he has and I appreciate his effort, I know he wishes things were going better to.

 

[Sodakred]

No doubt the three years have sucked for both, but at least UCLA seems to be improved this year. 3-9, 4-8, 3-3 — and the three losses this year were good efforts. NU seems to be getting worse.

The big difference is UCLA can fire fat boy anytime, whereas we are stuck with our golden boy for several more years.

 

[HominidHusker]

1. Our (lack of) development of QB, OL and WR is causing us to fail
2. Lack of tempo hinders our chances to be successful
3. Tempo is predicated on not failing so much (see #1)

Might be a scheme thing, might not, but I see more results based on #1 and #2

 

[Sodakred]

Chip and Scott are not running the same offense.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/09/ch...-oregon-blur-seven-years-reason-stats-college

https://thecomeback.com/ncaa/fading-genius-the-sad-decline-of-chip-kelly.html

Not that UCLA is great this year, but the articles you quoted are over a year old. UCLA has played pretty competitively this Fall. They should be optimistic for 2021.

 

[Headcard]

Not that UCLA is great this year, but the articles you quoted are over a year old. UCLA has played pretty competitively this Fall. They should be optimistic for 2021.

OK. All I was pointing out is that he is no longer running the offense he did at Oregon, which is mentioned in both articles.

 

[Spartanhusker]

Chip is working with a legit QB.....he may not have a record to show it but his QB is going to be playing on Sundays...ours will just be eating sundaes

I'm still laughing!!!!

 

[Jhollenbeck41]

The offense is predicated on attacking the weakness of the defense. If they load the box you run a screen. If they guard against the screen you run the ball and you do that at as fast a tempo as you possibly can. That is the offense. Tempo Tempo Tempo of the same play. It will look like you are running different plays but you really arent. Thats the package offense. The way teams beat this offense is they have better players that can throw off the numerical advantage by virtue of just being really damn good. But in the early 2010s this shredded defenses like FSU and Bama. I'm not sure what to think about this system. Ryan Day is running a version of it at Ohio State pretty well but Scott and Chips versions are shitting the bed.

Is it simply due to talent that tOSU has that we obviously don't and that UCLA may or may not? Haven't watched a glimpse of Chip at UCLA to be honest. It is a little ironic that the system works with world class Oregon athletes but hasn't been tested at a place like Nebraska where the talent level isn't that.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I find it ironic that Chip Kelly's record in 3 years at UCLA is 10-20, Frosty's at Nebraaka is 11-20. Both run the same basic offense, both have had issues on Defense nd both inherited a mess.

Niether has been able to turn the programs they are in charge of around. Frost is #2 in the Hot Seat Ranking, Kelly is 28th.

Is the Oregon offensive scheme to blame , the wishbone died when Defense's figured out how to defend it. Has this Offense become antiquated as well? ?

Or... is the coach to Blame? Recruiting ? support? is the

Both. The fun and gun died out too.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

Both. The fun and gun died out too.

You have to have a running game and good defense.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Is it simply due to talent that tOSU has that we obviously don't and that UCLA may or may not? Haven't watched a glimpse of Chip at UCLA to be honest. It is a little ironic that the system works with world class Oregon athletes but hasn't been tested at a place like Nebraska where the talent level isn't that.

I think it's mainly the fact that we dont have the personnel to run it and Scott cant seem to get or hold onto the kids he needs to be able to. You need burners at Tailback and Wideout and a QB that can get them the ball. We are using a bunch of walk ons and rejects because all the athletes Scott recruited or were here (Greg Bell, Dominick Watt, Maurice Washington, Omar Manning, Spielman, Fleming, etc.) Have busted. It worked well at UCF because he had studs all over the field. Adrian cant throw and worse than that, he doesnt seem to be able to operate the offense at the tempo required. B1G defenses are big, strong, and fast enough to push these inferior athletes around throwing off the scheme. Like a great coach once said, It's about the Jimmies and the Joes not the X's and O's. Scott can brag on his Strength and Conditioning all he wants but every other B1G team has just as good of a Strength program. Frost needs to upgrade the talent and keep the talent he does have.

 

[ridge22]

One thing Chip has done is in his first year he did beat his rival USC. He also has has a couple of wins over ranked teams.

Of the Power 5 coaches hired in 2017/18 that still have their jobs Frost is the only one who does not have a win vs a ranked team. Even the dudes who have already been canned have at least 1 win vs a ranked opponent like Taggert, Morehead and Sumlin. I am guessing that is why Frost sits at #2.

 

[Jhollenbeck41]

I think it's mainly the fact that we dont have the personnel to run it and Scott cant seem to get or hold onto the kids he needs to be able to. You need burners at Tailback and Wideout and a QB that can get them the ball. We are using a bunch of walk ons and rejects because all the athletes Scott recruited or were here (Greg Bell, Dominick Watt, Maurice Washington, Omar Manning, Spielman, Fleming, etc.) Have busted. It worked well at UCF because he had studs all over the field. Adrian cant throw and worse than that, he doesnt seem to be able to operate the offense at the tempo required. B1G defenses are big, strong, and fast enough to push these inferior athletes around throwing off the scheme. Like a great coach once said, It's about the Jimmies and the Joes not the X's and O's. Scott can brag on his Strength and Conditioning all he wants but every other B1G team has just as good of a Strength program. Frost needs to upgrade the talent and keep the talent he does have.

Jimmie Johnson. My dad loves that quote. Makes more and more sense to me as I get older too. So it's talent. We just lack the overall level of talent that Frost wants to operate it at that level to do everything he wants. Understood.

 

[Jhollenbeck41]

Both. The fun and gun died out too.

Was that Florida's back in the day?

 

[oldjar07]

Chip is working with a legit QB.....he may not have a record to show it but his QB is going to be playing on Sundays...ours will just be eating sundaes.


...edit, I feel kind of bad for posting that. It was a cheap shot, Adrian is giving it everything he has and I appreciate his effort, I know he wishes things were going better to.

Their qb was actually much worse than ours as a freshman. One guy was developed, one guy wasn't.

 

[Headcard]

Only place Chip is running is to McDonalds.

And yes, the system is garbage. Time of possession matters. This style is a joke.

 

[Lincoln100]

Pretty much any system can work well with the right players and person running it

 

[Oiler402]

If chip had also played Bethune they’d have the same record

 

[FortNebraska]

You dumb

 

[Headcard]

You dumb

I would say Mike Leach knows a thing or two about offense. But your “you dumb” is certainly a compelling argument against Mr. Leach.

 

[FortNebraska]

I would say Mike Leach knows a thing or two about offense. But your “you dumb” is certainly a compelling argument against Mr. Leach.

Is that why he's about to get canned? Guy is a clown that sells tickets and locks people in sheds. The circus is in town with him.

 

[Rcnut223]

One thing Chip has done is in his first year he did beat his rival USC. He also has has a couple of wins over ranked teams.

Of the Power 5 coaches hired in 2017/18 that still have their jobs Frost is the only one who does not have a win vs a ranked team. Even the dudes who have already been canned have at least 1 win vs a ranked opponent like Taggert, Morehead and Sumlin. I am guessing that is why Frost sits at #2.

This is perhaps what angers me the most. Why can so many teams put it all together for one Saturday and beat a ranked team?

 

[Rcnut223]

Their qb was actually much worse than ours as a freshman. One guy was developed, one guy wasn't.

Maybe AM was as good as he was ever going to get as a Freshman. I truely think he has injured his shoulder again, happenmded agaianst Purdue. Watch the game again, Am is shaking and windmilling his arm as if it is sore or tight.

He was more accurate against Purdue than he was at Minnesota.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Is that why he's about to get canned? Guy is a clown that sells tickets and locks people in sheds. The circus is in town with him.

If Mississippi State is stupid enough to fire him he'll have his pick of 4 or 5 offers. He's one of the godfathers of the most innovative offense in the history of the game. I'm starting to think the only thing that can save Husker football might be the Air Raid. Look what it did for OU.

 

[FortNebraska]

If Mississippi State is stupid enough to fire him he'll have his pick of 4 or 5 offers. He's one of the godfathers of the most innovative offense in the history of the game. I'm starting to think the only thing that can save Husker football might be the Air Raid. Look what it did for OU.

Wrong

 

[SLOHusker]

Is it simply due to talent that tOSU has that we obviously don't and that UCLA may or may not? Haven't watched a glimpse of Chip at UCLA to be honest. It is a little ironic that the system works with world class Oregon athletes but hasn't been tested at a place like Nebraska where the talent level isn't that.

Chip Kelly's Oregon tempo scheme has been duplicated everywhere and it is no longer novel to defend. Additionally rules were changed to allow defenses more time to substitute. Kelly thrived on wearing defenses down but the game caught up with it.

 

[TheNewNU_rivals50820]

Wrong

I'd tell you to read the Perfect Pass by SC Gwynne but that's probably above your reading comprehension.

 

[FortNebraska]

I'd tell you to read the Perfect Pass by SC Gwynne but that's probably above your reading comprehension.

False

 

[Bart Man]

Maybe AM was as good as he was ever going to get as a Freshman. I truely think he has injured his shoulder again, happenmded agaianst Purdue. Watch the game again, Am is shaking and windmilling his arm as if it is sore or tight.

He was more accurate against Purdue than he was at Minnesota.

Iam beginning to think AM was more the same when he was a freshman but Farmer, Foster, Morgan and the rest of that offense were way better than they got credit for. Stanley definitely went up and got some of those passes. AM had more time and didn’t develop the yips until Jurgens bad snaps in 19.

 

[HuskerBruce81]

Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne was diplomatic after the game. Discussing the Buffs’ switch to a more pass-oriented offense: “There’s always a temptation to say I told you so …. But for this locale, this climate, I think you’ve got to be able to jam it at people sometimes.”

https://www.cuatthegame.com/1992/8-nebraska-the-halloween-massacre/

And Frost should know this by now. Nebraska needs power formations. Hell, I remember Callahan even pounding the rock to a few wins.

 

[Anon1656421729]

We are failing because Frost isn't adapting to the players he has, he's stubbornly pushing his system. I hate it because we end up in **** windy weather and then our pass game is dead. (Not saying we have a pass game with no wind...just the idea of the scheme) We have no run game except to sweep to the outside. We should have pounded the rock all day on Minnesota but we put a hurt QB put there in the wind and expect the pass game to work, how much of a morale boost would it have been to put it on the o line and tell them they can go win the game by being mean and shoving people around? Minnesota won because they work the fundamentals and get their 2nd and 3rd string trained to do the same. We just skip past that and think we can be cute with the playback and get ahead.

I also feel like Frost can only work on a script and if 1st down loses yards then we are grasping to get another 1st let alone score. I think the proof of this is that we don't score worth a damn in the 2nd half. Other teams adjust to us and we don't adapt. The most frustrating thing is that Frost is smart enough to run a solid fundamental offense and pepper in a few surprises but we stick with this setup and end up having no identity...like we are trying to be the jack of all trades master of none.

I don't think we improve until the man in charge takes a long look in the mirror. I've heard people say we should hire Urban Meyer...and I think we should. We should hire him as an outside consultant to come take a look at what's going wrong with the entire program...cause it ain't working. And I don't think changing some assistants will fix it.

 

[stonesak]

Nebraska head coach Tom Osborne was diplomatic after the game. Discussing the Buffs’ switch to a more pass-oriented offense: “There’s always a temptation to say I told you so …. But for this locale, this climate, I think you’ve got to be able to jam it at people sometimes.”

https://www.cuatthegame.com/1992/8-nebraska-the-halloween-massacre/

And Frost should know this by now. Nebraska needs power formations. Hell, I remember Callahan even pounding the rock to a few wins.

Ohio State seems to do just fine in cold weather, Michigan did pretty well until this season. Aaron Rodgers is an alright player too. Today's QB's have learned how to play in cold weather.

 

[HuskerBruce81]

Ohio State seems to do just fine in cold weather, Michigan did pretty well until this season. Aaron Rodgers is an alright player too. Today's QB's have learned how to play in cold weather.

OSU won national championship with a power running game and defense and get upset by Iowa and Purdue by passing too much.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't play college ball.

 

[Mack In Motion]

Wrong

Incorrect

 

[Jhollenbeck41]

Chip Kelly's Oregon tempo scheme has been duplicated everywhere and it is no longer novel to defend. Additionally rules were changed to allow defenses more time to substitute. Kelly thrived on wearing defenses down but the game caught up with it.

It certainly feels that way

 

[Headcard]

OSU won national championship with a power running game and defense and get upset by Iowa and Purdue by passing too much.

Aaron Rodgers doesn't play college ball.

The Ohio State teams all coached by the same guy?