OT-Please don't lecture me

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

Exactly. It's just not logical. If we were talking about a congressional race, you could possibly find a pattern of illegal voting in a specific are that won a candidate the election. But we're talking nationwide, many counties, some of which Trump won. So the argument really becomes "my votes were valid, his weren't" and Trump expects that to hold water?

were the exact same number of votes made down ballot as for president?

I don't know the answer, but if not, and if it's a giant disparity, then it's certainly logical, if still very unlikely.

'free' and 'fair' are strange terms to describe any election, honestly. there's boatloads spent by both sides to ensure neither of those things are ever the case.

 

[MOHUSKER]

biden winning mail-in ballots by 38% in Michigan when republicans requested more than Ds is... something

I think people can come together and unite in our skepticism of Washington again. 'rooting' for a political team is bizarre, and nobody's going to do anything for anyone except themselves, their families and their immediate communities.

Again, link over a screenshot. Michigan does not have you register by party. This is obviously faked, and you fell for it.

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-5647_12539_29836-88652--,00.html

Does a political party preference have to be declared when registering to vote?
No. Michigan voters do not register by party.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

biden winning mail-in ballots by 38% in Michigan when republicans requested more than Ds is... something

I think people can come together and unite in our skepticism of Washington again. 'rooting' for a political team is bizarre, and nobody's going to do anything for anyone except themselves, their families and their immediate communities.

Makes you go

 

[Lincoln100]

Covid and the economy.

 

[WHCSC]

It’s hard for me to say there’s fraud because voter turnout was higher. Have we ever had a more hated president?

 

[MOHUSKER]

It’s hard for me to say there’s fraud because voter turnout was higher. Have we ever had a more hated president?

By approval or %? By raw population? Yes, % wise? No, but that’s only because of population growth. The first Bush’s approval ratings were worse than Trump’s heading into the election. If we go by raw numbers, Trump was the most hated, and most appreciated.

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Not in my life time. I remember Harry Truman as being like a grandfather, so I go back a ways.

 

[mwulf]

Yeah but even people who voted for Trump admit yeah he is a scumbag but I appreciate the 10 % more in my bank account so I will look the other way when it comes to his shady dealings

 

[oldjar07]

More than 3.4%, LOL. I'm right at 9% and that's not including what I donate to my church. Include that and I'm over 10% of my income. Stop pretending like what he donates is remotely admirable.

No one is saying that he *needs* to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity, but don't you get it? He touts how the "rich" need to help the "poor". Well his actions or lack thereof sure does speak volumes. He wants everyone else to help the poor more through forced government action rather than actually doing more himself.

If socialists like him (maybe you too?) would actually put their words into action and do more to help those less fortunate then maybe this country would be a bit better off. Instead he's just a giant hypocrite.

Good for you. Maybe it's because charity isn't always the best way to help the poor. Sanders has spent his whole career pushing to improve economic outcomes for the poor, working class, and middle class so they don't have to rely on charity just to get by.

 

[WHCSC]

By approval or %? By raw population? Yes, % wise? No, but that’s only because of population growth. The first Bush’s approval ratings were worse than Trump’s heading into the election. If we go by raw numbers, Trump was the most hated, and most appreciated.

I just mean that a higher % would vote this election compared to others because of trump

 

[bshirt73]

Let’s say minority vote jumped 20%, from 50 million to 60 million. If Trump won 10% of that in 2016, he got 5 million and lost the minority vote by 40 million votes. If he jumped to 15% in 2020 he won 9 million votes, but had 51 million that were blue, meaning he lost by 42 million votes. So what did he really gain other than more time to golf, tweet conspiracy theories and try to divide the country more?

Having minorities vote for you doesn’t mean you aren’t being racially divisive. Post election attacks on predominantly black cities as corrupt is just the latest in a long line of dog whistles by Trump. America rejected Trump by majority in 2016, and rejected him and his kind far more strongly in 2020.

Wrong. The lying, thieving Dims are "already" losing House seats and they will lose to Trump also. It just sucks that chairman Moa isn't around to comfort you anymore.

 

[Tarheelhusker]

Stock market is crazy. I’ve always heard the market hates uncertainty but since Wed. you can’t get much more uncertainty yet I’m on the pass line, new dice new shooter.

 

[HuskerO58]

Good for you. Maybe it's because charity isn't always the best way to help the poor. Sanders has spent his whole career pushing to improve economic outcomes for the poor, working class, and middle class so they don't have to rely on charity just to get by.

"It's not the best way so why should he even bother giving more to charity."

He can do both you know, but he doesn't because he's a selfish hypocrite.

3.4% is rather pathetic for someone making over $500k. It's his right to give whatever, but it doesn't make it any less pathetic.

 

[Lincoln100]

I did not want Bernie. His policies are way too far out and he would have lost to Trump. I am certainly not the establishment.

Biden is legit. He is saying all the right things. More importantly, he is already working on our national problems.

I'm going to try this again. Your answer of "covid and the economy" just doesn't do justice to the legitness of Biden. What precisely are "all the right things" he is saying, and more importantly, he is already working on our national problems . . . how so?

 

[Lincoln100]

Yeah but even people who voted for Trump admit yeah he is a scumbag but I appreciate the 10 % more in my bank account so I will look the other way when it comes to his shady dealings

Shady dealings, whoa. What does that say about a person who is involved in shady dealings?

 

[mwulf]

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

My dad has had his guns for my entire life.....I'm 27, so that math works out. Hope I have mine for the next 30 years too.

So your an expert, these far left democrats are a different breed than even during the Bill Clinton era. Just wait for regulation upon regulation and taxes on thing you never thought they would. Gun confiscation is coming just ask Beto or the San Francisco ho

 

[oldjar07]

"It's not the best way so why should he even bother giving more to charity."

He can do both you know, but he doesn't because he's a selfish hypocrite.

3.4% is rather pathetic for someone making over $500k. It's his right to give whatever, but it doesn't make it any less pathetic.

He's more genuine than just about any politician out there, so you can **** off calling him a hypocrite. He does donate some of his income to charity and he's fought his whole career to improve outcomes for the poor and middle class, even when it wasn't popular among his peers to do that. It's not like charity ever comes without strings attached, so I don't really care how much he donates.

 

[mwulf]

 

[Lincoln100]

He's more genuine than just about any politician out there, so you can **** off calling him a hypocrite. He does donate some of his income to charity and he's fought his whole career to improve outcomes for the poor and middle class, even when it wasn't popular among his peers to do that. It's not like charity ever comes without strings attached, so I don't really care how much he donates.

Thats cute, nice temper tantrum. You can insult whoever you want, but if someone critisizes your Hugo Chavez, you throw your cheerios bowl across the room.

 

[HuskerO58]

He's more genuine than just about any politician out there, so you can **** off calling him a hypocrite. He does donate some of his income to charity and he's fought his whole career to improve outcomes for the poor and middle class, even when it wasn't popular among his peers to do that. It's not like charity ever comes without strings attached, so I don't really care how much he donates.

This is sooo pathetic. You're literally defending a rich man who touts helping the poor, but hardly does so himself out of his own pocket. Just demands that the rest of us do it. He's all talk and no game.

Charity comes without strings attached? Wtf are you talking about and what are you expecting back from charities you give to? That's sleazy man.

Of course you don't care. You sound as if you're just like him. I suggest you go out & do some real charity (beyond paying taxes because that's not charity) of either your time or money and here's a hint, don't ask for anything back from them.

 

[MOHUSKER]

This is sooo pathetic. You're literally defending a rich man who touts helping the poor, but hardly does so himself out of his own pocket. Just demands that the rest of us do it. He's all talk and no game.

Charity comes without strings attached? Wtf are you talking about and what are you expecting back from charities you give to? That's sleazy man.

Of course you don't care. You sound as if you're just like him. I suggest you go out & do some real charity (beyond paying taxes because that's not charity) of either your time or money and here's a hint, don't ask for anything back from them.

Bernie is fundamentally opposed to charities as he believes they take resources from the government (tax dollars) that should be used to fund systems to care for things.

 

[catch54]

that used to be the case but the Dems take ones' cake, money and way of life these days

Tell us your proposed federal spending cuts.

Tell us where we can find good data on federal spending.

 

[ILuvethe90s]

Does this board ever discuss football or just praise Mr Cheeto?

 

[oldjar07]

This is sooo pathetic. You're literally defending a rich man who touts helping the poor, but hardly does so himself out of his own pocket. Just demands that the rest of us do it. He's all talk and no game.

Charity comes without strings attached? Wtf are you talking about and what are you expecting back from charities you give to? That's sleazy man.

Of course you don't care. You sound as if you're just like him. I suggest you go out & do some real charity (beyond paying taxes because that's not charity) of either your time or money and here's a hint, don't ask for anything back from them.

He has never said as far as I'm aware that he's going to help the poor by donating to charity or that he expects others to. He has spent the last 4+ decades of his life promoting policies that improve economic outcomes for the poor and middle class. You're pulling this charity thing out of your *** to try to suggest he's a hypocrite when he's never said much about charities in the past. His whole adult life has been spent supporting policies that improve the lives of the poor and working class so they don't have to rely on charities in the first place.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

He has never said as far as I'm aware that he's going to help the poor by donating to charity or that he expects others to. He has spent the last 4+ decades of his life promoting policies that improve economic outcomes for the poor and middle class. You're pulling this charity thing out of your *** to try to suggest he's a hypocrite when he's never said much about charities in the past. His whole adult life has been spent supporting policies that improve the lives of the poor and working class so they don't have to rely on charities in the first place.

It’s a tad bit hypocritical to continually propose ‘fair share’ tax rates while taking advantage of the code you claim harms those you’ve spent a lifetime fighting for, no?

hasn’t paid a dime more than he owes. ever. The IRS accepts over payments.

I do think Bernie believes what he says and is largely genuine, in Washington terms. And I dont pay more than I owe, either. I just also don’t hop on a soapbox every chance I get to tell others they need to row harder without doing it first.

 

[oldjar07]

It’s a tad bit hypocritical to continually propose ‘fair share’ tax rates while taking advantage of the code you claim harms those you’ve spent a lifetime fighting for, no?

hasn’t paid a dime more than he owes. ever. The IRS accepts over payments.

I do think Bernie believes what he says and is largely genuine, in Washington terms. And I dont pay more than I owe, either. I just also don’t hop on a soapbox every chance I get to tell others they need to row harder without doing it first.

I don't expect anyone to pay a dime more than they owe in taxes. The problem is when the wealthy can get away with paying extremely low tax rates because the tax system is broken. Bernie's solution is to fix the broken tax system to get the wealthy to pay their fair share, not voluntarily pay more in taxes than he has to.

 

[Jhollenbeck41]

So your an expert, these far left democrats are a different breed than even during the Bill Clinton era. Just wait for regulation upon regulation and taxes on thing you never thought they would. Gun confiscation is coming just ask Beto or the San Francisco ho

The only thing I'm really smart about is breaking my back for the pride of honest hard work, which is okay I guess. But, what gives me peace is knowing that my Liberal friend was pissed off about the Senate retaining the Senate because he knows they won't work with Biden on what he wants to do, so nothing will get done in the big picture.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Bernie is fundamentally opposed to charities as he believes they take resources from the government (tax dollars) that should be used to fund systems to care for things.

Yep.. he doesn’t want your hard earned money going to the charitable foundations of your choice. He’d rather have it go through Washington so they can take their cut and have the power to decide who gets the money.

Bernie is a fraud. Anyone who supports his communistic ideology needs to come down to South Florida and speak with some Cubans.

 

[I M HIPPY]

That works for me. Or one of Trumps first press Press Secretaries. Can't remember her name.

Remember, he never took 1 dime of salary, donated it all and came out as the only President with less wealth than before he went in.

What the hell are you talking about? Trump is the only President in modern history who DID NOT divest his business interest before taking office. Like rational or ethical people would do to prevent any conflict of interest. Because of that, the US taxpayers sent millions of dollars into Trump's pocket in a variety of ways - - paying secret service and other Gov staff to stay in his hotels, and some Gov agencies had offices in his commercial property. These just two of the more obvious ways Trump grifted way more than his salary from Gov. Furthermore, he shamelessly tried to get the G7 to be held at one of his resorts. This fantasy that Trump has ethics or is altruistic shows a shocking lack of facts about Trump. He's a real estate developer for christ's sake. A guy who has refused to pay blue collar workers and contractors time after time throughout his life. Bankruptcy six times. That's who you are pretending is some kind of Jon Naughton painting come to life.

 

[I M HIPPY]

Could be this genius

That is awesome. Is that real?

 

[steinek11]

I don't expect anyone to pay a dime more than they owe in taxes. The problem is when the wealthy can get away with paying extremely low tax rates because the tax system is broken. Bernie's solution is to fix the broken tax system to get the wealthy to pay their fair share, not voluntarily pay more in taxes than he has to.

Haven't we already established that the top 10% already pay 70% of income taxes. Define 'fair share'?

 

[steinek11]

The kind of help the poor need is not the kind they or their liberal guardians are interested in. Stop having children before you are able to support them, denounce drug use, value and seek education that leads to worthwhile endeavors. Become owners in society (homes and businesses) and reject being just consumers and renters. Strive to achieve and maintain family units. This is the winning formula. There is no other path. You could redistribute all wealth in America. Within 5 years, the smart and industrious would have it all back.

 

[Lincoln100]

I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. My point is that it's all about political signals. Trump doesn't have to concede. Republicans could decline to comment. They could say we have concerns and will be asking that the election results be reviewed. But that's not what they're doing. They're claiming widespread voter fraud with no evidence. If you've bothered to look at the lawsuits, the claims are over a few votes here and there, and still they are just allegations that could well be disproved, and far far far from widespread fraud. Nearly everything they have filed in court has been rejected because the claims they are making are extremely dubious. Even if they make some progress in the courts, do they really expect the judges to agree to toss tens of thousands of votes in 5 states? That's just ludicrous. Maybe it's worth a recount in Georgia and Arizona, but remember, when they did the recount in Florida in the Bush v. Gore election the differential was less than 600 votes. In this election we are talking nearly 50,000 in Pennsylvania alone. Is the idea to get SCOTUS to invalidate that many ballots? Seriously? Imagine if the roles were reversed. These aren't small margins. He lost by a lot and he wants to invalidate votes through the court to win the election. How can you possibly defend this position without recognizing how much that undermines our democracy? Let's just say that he prevails. You might enjoy that outcome because you prefer Trump, but if you are honest with yourself, wiping away all of your personal views on politics, you cannot possibly think that is a good thing for our country. This is how civil wars start, and yes, that scares me.

In a prior post, you used the "well Republican's started it!" argument, and here you ask if challenging the election results on voter fraud is "a good thing for our country," realizing the reality of a "civil war." So, was the deliberately misleading, fraud of a Russian collusion three year process with impeachment good for the country? No less than three years of mainstream media railing against the President and completely f'd up messaging and attack against him and many Republican's, all embellishments and exaggerations to bury him, and all based on false information that our government (possibly including O'bama and Biden) knew was false.

Was that a good thing, or did it cause a massive divide and distrust in the media and the government? Then throw in the animals that burn and loot and attack courthouses and businesses, probably 99% of the violence coming from liberals. There very well may be a civil war coming, but it isn't going to be because of the pushing by those on the right, and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell it would end up with the left winning that war. There's a divide in that party right now, and that's a good thing, and hopefully moderates can take control, but it's doubtful.

 

[MOHUSKER]

Yep.. he doesn’t want your hard earned money going to the charitable foundations of your choice. He’d rather have it go through Washington so they can take their cut and have the power to decide who gets the money.

Bernie is a fraud. Anyone who supports his communistic ideology needs to come down to South Florida and speak with some Cubans.

Not completely accurate, he wants to eliminate the tax advantages of this foundations and he wants to ensure everyone gets a baseline. After that, do what you want with your money.

Not saying I agree with Bernie’s positions, but at least represent it properly.

 

[HuskerO58]

Bernie is fundamentally opposed to charities as he believes they take resources from the government (tax dollars) that should be used to fund systems to care for things.

He's so FOS. If this his take then he's just trying to justify not giving to charity so he can keep more of his money.

Also what he wants as a tax plan isn't in place currently so in the meantime if he cared about the less fortunate (like he says he does) then he would give more to charity than a measly 3.4%.

His actions doesn't match his words.

 

[HuskerO58]

He has never said as far as I'm aware that he's going to help the poor by donating to charity or that he expects others to. He has spent the last 4+ decades of his life promoting policies that improve economic outcomes for the poor and middle class. You're pulling this charity thing out of your *** to try to suggest he's a hypocrite when he's never said much about charities in the past. His whole adult life has been spent supporting policies that improve the lives of the poor and working class so they don't have to rely on charities in the first place.

He talks about helping the poor all the time. He can talk about policies that he thinks would help poor all he wants. That's great if that's what he believes (which he clearly does). But in the meantime he can also give more to the poor directly out of his own pocket. Dude made over $500k in 2018, he has no dependents, 3 homes, etc and all he wants give to help the poor is 3.4% of his income.

He's in a position to where he can both talk about policies AND give more than 3.4% to charity. He does one & not the other which makes him a hypocrite.

 

[HuskerO58]

Haven't we already established that the top 10% already pay 70% of income taxes. Define 'fair share'?

They're so focused on the federal income tax that they don't pay attention to any of the other taxes they (the rich, businesses, etc) pay.

 

[John_J_Rambo_rivals315142]

I don't expect anyone to pay a dime more than they owe in taxes. The problem is when the wealthy can get away with paying extremely low tax rates because the tax system is broken. Bernie's solution is to fix the broken tax system to get the wealthy to pay their fair share, not voluntarily pay more in taxes than he has to.

I understand his life's work, and I don't expect anyone to pay more than they owe, but literal multi-millionaire bernie sanders telling everyone they should pay more without actually doing it himself is just a tad bit hypocritical.

he should either do as he says or step off the maple syrup crate.

 

[Lincoln100]

Not completely accurate, he wants to eliminate the tax advantages of this foundations and he wants to ensure everyone gets a baseline. After that, do what you want with your money.

Not saying I agree with Bernie’s positions, but at least represent it properly.

Ha! So you said pretty much said what Tampa said, Bernie is a communist. Thanks for representing it properly. It sure sounds so much sweeter when you represent it properly.