OT-Please don't lecture me

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I already explained this. The workforce you manage was educated by public institutions. If they weren't, they wouldn't be near as capable and you wouldn't be making near as much salary. I imagine your department might have some IP that's valuable to the company. Well if there weren't any social institutions to protect that IP, a hacker could easily steal the IP and any ideas you come up with. If you make any physical products, those are likely to be shipped on public roads. Take away the social institutions and you have no job and no wealth.
correction: take away the public institutions, you will likely have better, more well-run private ones to enable jobs and wealth.
 
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the absolute dumbest thing I've read repeatedly on this site is @oldjar07 insisting that if it weren't for government, there would be no roads, no schools, etc., when the literal advent of nationwide distribution was created by a private industrialist despite the gov't.

read a book, guy.
 
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Then why don't they already exist. What's stopping them?
they do.

private schools >> public schools. private shipping lanes >> public ones. private delivery service >> public ones. private literally everything >> public anything.

our public institutions to protect IP don't even do that. ask golf club manufacturers, whose exact designs are replicated (illegally) in China every single day.
 

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Do we want to at least wait until Team Biden takes control in January before the bitching? This resume demanded we take another look at options. We went with the next best option. If it doesn't work we can do it again in a few years
 
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JumpinJackFlash

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Huge denial. His completely losing his train of thought, and smooshing together anywhere from four to nine words into one unidentifiable word, isn't stuttering. It's a real problem, especially considering what is eagerly waiting in the wings.
You’re worried about Biden being mentally incompetent. But him yet trump has the same problems with speaking. Thinks windmills and wind turbines are the same thing. Had gone on record saying that because his uncle went to mit a long time ago that makes him just as qualified as experts in their field. He’s no worse than trump when it comes to public speaking and he won’t encourage the culture divide that has been turning into something dangerous
 

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Do we want to at least wait until Team Biden takes control in January before the bitching? This resume demanded we take another look at options. We went with the next best option. If it doesn't work we can do it again in a few years


People were calling for the White House to be blown up and Trump assassinated days after the election.

While the FBI was illegally spying on his campaign and was trying to set Flynn up.

Spare us..lol
 

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the absolute dumbest thing I've read repeatedly on this site is @oldjar07 insisting that if it weren't for government, there would be no roads, no schools, etc., when the literal advent of nationwide distribution was created by a private industrialist despite the gov't.

read a book, guy.
There might be roads and schools, but would your average everyday citizen be able to use them? Probably not.
 
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There might be roads and schools, but would your average everyday citizen be able to use them? Probably not.
that's what job interviews are for.

the average, everyday citizen isn't a requirement of those who build wealth.

do you think the gov't bends over backwards to keep corporations and the wealthy on their soil and paying their taxes for fun? no. they need them much more than corporations and the wealthy need gov't.

sorry if this offends.
 

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I understand his life's work, and I don't expect anyone to pay more than they owe, but literal multi-millionaire bernie sanders telling everyone they should pay more without actually doing it himself is just a tad bit hypocritical.

he should either do as he says or step off the maple syrup crate.
No you see they must be forced to pay more before they'd be okay with paying more.
 

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Do we want to at least wait until Team Biden takes control in January before the bitching? This resume demanded we take another look at options. We went with the next best option. If it doesn't work we can do it again in a few years



Ummm... I seem to remember when Trump won that we heard how it was fraudulent, #notmypresident, Russia collusion, etc... Also, a few weeks ago a poll showed that like 23% of Democrats felt elections were fair and now that number is like 90% since Biden won.

All of this **** is ridiculous. Biden is not my choice, but it looks like he won fair and square. I'm good with it. I'm not happy about it, but I am also going to move on and hope that he does a great job for this great country.
 

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that's what job interviews are for.

the average, everyday citizen isn't a requirement of those who build wealth.

do you think the gov't bends over backwards to keep corporations and the wealthy on their soil and paying their taxes for fun? no. they need them much more than corporations and the wealthy need gov't.

sorry if this offends.
Exactly you just proved my point. Private companies don't have to care whether their private roads serve the needs of the lowest rungs of society. They don't have to care whether their package service, although it may be higher quality, doesn't serve the needs of the underclass. They don't have to care if internet service goes only to the big cities where they make the most profit, while leaving unprofitable rural areas out.
 

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Ummm... I seem to remember when Trump won that we heard how it was fraudulent, #notmypresident, Russia collusion, etc... Also, a few weeks ago a poll showed that like 23% of Democrats felt elections were fair and now that number is like 90% since Biden won.

All of this **** is ridiculous. Biden is not my choice, but it looks like he won fair and square. I'm good with it. I'm not happy about it, but I am also going to move on and hope that he does a great job for this great country.
Appreciate the reasoned reply
 

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You’re worried about Biden being mentally incompetent. But him yet trump has the same problems with speaking. Thinks windmills and wind turbines are the same thing. Had gone on record saying that because his uncle went to mit a long time ago that makes him just as qualified as experts in their field. He’s no worse than trump when it comes to public speaking and he won’t encourage the culture divide that has been turning into something dangerous
He's much worse, I can tell, because I pay attention. And Biden went on record as saying to black people everywhere, that if you don't vote for him, you ain't black. Do you want to play this stupid game? Biden is losing it, period. Won't encourage cultural divide? You clown. Read above, and also, during his campaign, he said to a young black woman that white kids don't get pulled over by cops. His VP candidate visited Jacob Blake. His commercials were less than subtle about black people getting killed by cops. He explicitly stated "systemic racism" in his recent incoherent rambling speech. Romney was gonna put them "back in chains." He's a phony, but he is weak, like you, so it doesn't come off as being too bad.
 

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I already explained this. The workforce you manage was educated by public institutions. If they weren't, they wouldn't be near as capable and you wouldn't be making near as much salary. I imagine your department might have some IP that's valuable to the company. Well if there weren't any social institutions to protect that IP, a hacker could easily steal the IP and any ideas you come up with. If you make any physical products, those are likely to be shipped on public roads. Take away the social institutions and you have no job and no wealth.

Wow you are grasping. All my teammates were hired based on their previous job experience and college education. Two of my top performers actually went to private school their whole lives.

Guys hear this ? No one was wealthy in America prior to IP.. oh wait..
 

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People were calling for the White House to be blown up and Trump assassinated days after the election.

While the FBI was illegally spying on his campaign and was trying to set Flynn up.

Spare us..lol
Flynn pled guilty... Twice
 

Lincoln100

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Wow you are grasping. All my teammates were hired based on their previous job experience and college education. Two of my top performers actually went to private school their whole lives.

Guys hear this ? No one was wealthy in America prior to IP.. oh wait..
Yeah, but how did they get to those private schools? Public roads!!! BOOM! Mic drop.
 

TampaBaySkers

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the absolute dumbest thing I've read repeatedly on this site is @oldjar07 insisting that if it weren't for government, there would be no roads, no schools, etc., when the literal advent of nationwide distribution was created by a private industrialist despite the gov't.

read a book, guy.

Give him a break. He received a solid, public institute education 😂.
 
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Regardless of which side you're on, don't we both welcome a full review and audit of this election. If the Dems get caught cheating and Trump is legally re-elected, isn't he entitled to still be President? Don't we all want fair elections? And if we run a full audit and it's found that Biden was legally elected and there was no fraud, won't that shut up the GOP for a long, long time? Wouldn't the Dems be happy that audit was performed? I want to see it either way just to shut everyone up.

And if you're reading this and don't want a recount, ask yourself why, and what are you worried about?
 

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In a prior post, you used the "well Republican's started it!" argument, and here you ask if challenging the election results on voter fraud is "a good thing for our country," realizing the reality of a "civil war." So, was the deliberately misleading, fraud of a Russian collusion three year process with impeachment good for the country? No less than three years of mainstream media railing against the President and completely f'd up messaging and attack against him and many Republican's, all embellishments and exaggerations to bury him, and all based on false information that our government (possibly including O'bama and Biden) knew was false.

Was that a good thing, or did it cause a massive divide and distrust in the media and the government? Then throw in the animals that burn and loot and attack courthouses and businesses, probably 99% of the violence coming from liberals. There very well may be a civil war coming, but it isn't going to be because of the pushing by those on the right, and there isn't a snowballs chance in hell it would end up with the left winning that war. There's a divide in that party right now, and that's a good thing, and hopefully moderates can take control, but it's doubtful.
1. I wish the Democrats had never pursued the Russia investigation. It turned out to be a mess, and I don't think Trump colluded, for the record. However, there is a big difference between nothing, and the Russian attempts to influence our election. Trump won. Not disputing the outcome. But there were meetings, which apparently they didn't amount to much, certainly not collusion, and attempts to cover up information. To say nothing is disingenuous.
2. To describe the protests as a bunch of violent leftists is woefully inadequate. Again, for the record, these protests stretch back to the Obama administration, so it's not really about Trump. Or rather, it's about Trump in so much as he made it about himself, as he does with all things. There is a message that apparently many Americans don't agree with or can't be bothered to listen to in those protests. I'm not suggesting this stuff is simple, or that I agree with violence, or even the more far-fetched ideas of the protestors, but I don't dismiss the larger context. At the end of the day I'll say this, the violence is inexcusable, but the message of equality intended by the vast majority of protestors who marched, and did not riot, is not lost on me. What is the message of far right militias?
 

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Regardless of which side you're on, don't we both welcome a full review and audit of this election. If the Dems get caught cheating and Trump is legally re-elected, isn't he entitled to still be President? Don't we all want fair elections? And if we run a full audit and it's found that Biden was legally elected and there was no fraud, won't that shut up the GOP for a long, long time? Wouldn't the Dems be happy that audit was performed? I want to see it either way just to shut everyone up.

And if you're reading this and don't want a recount, ask yourself why, and what are you worried about?
Its not the GOP thats the problem ...its Trump...I have no problem having a recount and watching him lose for the 3rd time in 4 years but can the Biden transition team be allotted all the resources deemed necessary by the usual govt transition procedures as well? We should all be happy with this news here.
 
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Wow you are grasping. All my teammates were hired based on their previous job experience and college education. Two of my top performers actually went to private school their whole lives.

Guys hear this ? No one was wealthy in America prior to IP.. oh wait..
"Teammates," more corporate speak ********.

Let me make this simple for you guys. Both public institutions and private enterprises are needed to produce a well-functioning and economically well-off society. Some on the right either choose to ignore the role the former plays or actively try to disparage it. But it doesn't mean that public and social institutions don't play a vital role in the production or protection of wealth.
 

TampaBaySkers

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"Teammates," more corporate speak ********.

Let me make this simple for you guys. Both public institutions and private enterprises are needed to produce a well-functioning and economically well-

Good back peddle, but I’m going to press you a bit.

Please give me concrete data that shows my salary is as high as it is due to public institutions that I use more; therefor, I should be taxed at a higher rate for.

Or maybe.. just maybe.. I’m good at my job and I make my company more profitable; therefore, they pay me for said profitability.

I’m also curious why you only focus on local taxes. We all agree our local taxes are a necessity for schools, roads, police etc.. but I want to hear about why you think I should pay higher federal taxes?
 
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