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sparky4986

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The Republicans need to run somebody better than Trump in 2024. He'll be in his late 70s by then. I will give him credit for his accomplishments but I don't know if I could stomach his bombastic approach again 4 years from now. Pence would get my vote. Tulsi Gabbard should be at the top of the list for the Democrats but I'm sure Kamala will get the nod. There's no way in hell Biden will still be mentally competent in 4 years.
I love the idea of Pence. I was hoping Trump wouldn't have ran this time & Pence could step up. Biden won't mentally be able to finish his 4 years IMO. Pence/ Trump in 2024
 

HuskerO58

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He can do whatever the hell he wants with his income. Oh look, another conservative trying to tell someone what they should do with their life.
Did I tell him what he should do with his life? Of course he can do what he wants with his income.

It's still pathetic that he donates less than 4% of his income to charity when he touts that we need to help those who are less fortunate.
 

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Did I tell him what he should do with his life? Of course he can do what he wants with his income.

It's still pathetic that he donates less than 4% of his income to charity when he touts that we need to help those who are less fortunate.
How much do you donate to charity? I'm sure it's pathetic. I agree with him taxes need to be raised on the wealthy, but that doesn't mean he needs to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity. He can do what he wants with his income.
 

steinek11

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I'm just praying that if the election results are certified as it stands right now that Biden is able to complete his term. I don't want to think of the damage to our country Kamala could do in a few short years.
I actually like where we sit right now. Assuming Biden is the winner, I'm about 95% certain we keep the Senate and they will gridlock the crap out of his administration. They'll try to rule via executive order. We will sue them for overreach. We will win quite a few votes in the house as well. Way too many moderate Democrats in States with energy production that will not go along with the national party and destroy their on economies. There will be hell to pay for that. The Supreme Court is in fine hands. Even with Roberts being worthless. State legislatures are gaining in terms of conservatives. 2022 elections will be a bloodbath for Democrats
 

steinek11

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How much do you donate to charity? I'm sure it's pathetic. I agree with him taxes need to be raised on the wealthy, but that doesn't mean he needs to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity. He can do what he wants with his income.
I want Bernie to call for a wealth tax. Every few years, federal government just lops off a percentage of your wealth, especially the very wealthy. When that happens, we will know who all of the lying rats are, Warren Buffett being number one since he's lied for years about his secretary paying more in taxes than him. Bernie will give him the opportunity to rectify that
 

Capdanjou

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I actually like where we sit right now. Assuming Biden is the winner, I'm about 95% certain we keep the Senate and they will gridlock the crap out of his administration. They'll try to rule via executive order. We will sue them for overreach. We will win quite a few votes in the house as well. Way too many moderate Democrats in States with energy production that will not go along with the national party and destroy their on economies. There will be hell to pay for that. The Supreme Court is in fine hands. Even with Roberts being worthless. State legislatures are gaining in terms of conservatives. 2022 elections will be a bloodbath for Democrats
I think your attitude sucks. The parties will go separate ways on many issues, but wishing for gridlock is lame as hell. And before you say that's what they did to Trump, let us be honest for once and recognize that McConnell made clear when Obama was elected that his one and only goal was to make him a one term president. Not work to govern the nation, rather to block everything, right down to the most basic elements of government. I could, and probably would have sat here and had a healthy, mostly agreeable debate with many of you 15-20 years ago. I would have conceded some points, and agreed to disagree on others. Now I truly fear for the health of our representative democracy. The full embrace of false narratives borders on the grotesque. I don't know what to think any more. My neighbor, who is very conservative, calls me over on a daily basis to discuss the latest "information" he heard on whatever extreme right wing media he happens to be listening to that day. The point of these stories isn't to make them stick, it's to create doubt and mistrust. There is nothing that anyone could possibly tell me that would make me agree that undermining the truth is morally or ethically defensible.
 
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Capdanjou

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It's funny, but it sort of isn't, if you know what I mean.
I'm all for roasting politicians, but I will say one thing in Biden's defense. He suffers from a speech impediment: he stutters. If you go back and listen to the dude over the entirety of his career he's always made those kinds of slips. I'm guessing his age doesn't help. Anyway, just a little context. Still kinda funny.
 

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The Republicans need to run somebody better than Trump in 2024. He'll be in his late 70s by then. I will give him credit for his accomplishments but I don't know if I could stomach his bombastic approach again 4 years from now. Pence would get my vote. Tulsi Gabbard should be at the top of the list for the Democrats but I'm sure Kamala will get the nod. There's no way in hell Biden will still be mentally competent in 4 years.

I could
Until Republicans do something for minorities..fck them too.

There record sucks too.

Give me Trump at 78
 

sparky4986

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That works for me. Or one of Trumps first press Press Secretaries. Can't remember her name.
How much do you donate to charity? I'm sure it's pathetic. I agree with him taxes need to be raised on the wealthy, but that doesn't mean he needs to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity. He can do what he wants with his income.
Remember, he never took 1 dime of salary, donated it all and came out as the only President with less wealth than before he went in.
 

HuskerO58

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How much do you donate to charity? I'm sure it's pathetic. I agree with him taxes need to be raised on the wealthy, but that doesn't mean he needs to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity. He can do what he wants with his income.
More than 3.4%, LOL. I'm right at 9% and that's not including what I donate to my church. Include that and I'm over 10% of my income. Stop pretending like what he donates is remotely admirable.

No one is saying that he *needs* to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity, but don't you get it? He touts how the "rich" need to help the "poor". Well his actions or lack thereof sure does speak volumes. He wants everyone else to help the poor more through forced government action rather than actually doing more himself.

If socialists like him (maybe you too?) would actually put their words into action and do more to help those less fortunate then maybe this country would be a bit better off. Instead he's just a giant hypocrite.
 

TampaBaySkers

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More than 3.4%, LOL. I'm right at 9% and that's not including what I donate to my church. Include that and I'm over 10% of my income. Stop pretending like what he donates is remotely admirable.

No one is saying that he *needs* to donate a certain percentage of his income to charity, but don't you get it? He touts how the "rich" need to help the "poor". Well his actions or lack thereof sure does speak volumes. He wants everyone else to help the poor more through forced government action rather than actually doing more himself.

If socialists like him (maybe you too?) would actually put their words into action and do more to help those less fortunate then maybe this country would be a bit better off. Instead he's just a giant hypocrite.

 

TampaBaySkers

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I want Bernie to call for a wealth tax. Every few years, federal government just lops off a percentage of your wealth, especially the very wealthy. When that happens, we will know who all of the lying rats are, Warren Buffett being number one since he's lied for years about his secretary paying more in taxes than him. Bernie will give him the opportunity to rectify that

I’m with you. Let’s call it the Buffet tax. He and Bezos, and the ultra wealthy lefties pay 80% tax. They are begging to pay their fair share so let them put their money where their mouths are.
 

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I think your attitude sucks. The parties will go separate ways on many issues, but wishing for gridlock is lame as hell. And before you say that's what they did to Trump, let us be honest for once and recognize that McConnell made clear when Obama was elected that his one and only goal was to make him a one term president. Not work to govern the nation, rather to block everything, right down to the most basic elements of government. I could, and probably would have sat here and had a healthy, mostly agreeable debate with many of you 15-20 years ago. I would have conceded some points, and agreed to disagree on others. Now I truly fear for the health of our representative democracy. The full embrace of false narratives borders on the grotesque. I don't know what to think any more. My neighbor, who is very conservative, calls me over on a daily basis to discuss the latest "information" he heard on whatever extreme right wing media he happens to be listening to that day. The point of these stories isn't to make them stick, it's to create doubt and mistrust. There is nothing that anyone could possibly tell me that would make me agree that undermining the truth is morally or ethically defensible.

I know you said someone was going to say it but I’ll be darned if this isn’t exactly the same thing the left has done and is doing
 

big red23

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I love the idea of Pence. I was hoping Trump wouldn't have ran this time & Pence could step up. Biden won't mentally be able to finish his 4 years IMO. Pence/ Trump in 2024
Lol... Do you think Donald Trump would be a Vice President? That man will follow no one, and will take orders from no one. He is not capable of being second in command, his brain doesn't function like that.
 
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I love the idea of Pence. I was hoping Trump wouldn't have ran this time & Pence could step up. Biden won't mentally be able to finish his 4 years IMO. Pence/ Trump in 2024
how about somebody who doesn't have one foot in the grave and has actually participated in normal daily life some time in the last 20 years for once
 

Capdanjou

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The part after “Now I fear”
I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. My point is that it's all about political signals. Trump doesn't have to concede. Republicans could decline to comment. They could say we have concerns and will be asking that the election results be reviewed. But that's not what they're doing. They're claiming widespread voter fraud with no evidence. If you've bothered to look at the lawsuits, the claims are over a few votes here and there, and still they are just allegations that could well be disproved, and far far far from widespread fraud. Nearly everything they have filed in court has been rejected because the claims they are making are extremely dubious. Even if they make some progress in the courts, do they really expect the judges to agree to toss tens of thousands of votes in 5 states? That's just ludicrous. Maybe it's worth a recount in Georgia and Arizona, but remember, when they did the recount in Florida in the Bush v. Gore election the differential was less than 600 votes. In this election we are talking nearly 50,000 in Pennsylvania alone. Is the idea to get SCOTUS to invalidate that many ballots? Seriously? Imagine if the roles were reversed. These aren't small margins. He lost by a lot and he wants to invalidate votes through the court to win the election. How can you possibly defend this position without recognizing how much that undermines our democracy? Let's just say that he prevails. You might enjoy that outcome because you prefer Trump, but if you are honest with yourself, wiping away all of your personal views on politics, you cannot possibly think that is a good thing for our country. This is how civil wars start, and yes, that scares me.
 
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A concern I have is the number (percent) of voter turn out in critical states. Over 100% turnout, Over 100%, I just don’t believe it. “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.” Marcellus
 

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I was on SIGforum, i will try to find it, it will be time consuming because of so many political threads, but I will get out of here and give it a go, I might come back empty handed but of good mind.
 

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Where are you getting this?
this was 'updated' by the city after the Journal-Sentinel pointed out the oddities



there's also tons and tons of mathematical/statistical anomalies all around the country when it comes to probability, Republicans requesting more mail-in ballots in all 5 states in question, etc.

I do agree with you that it's now not Trump's fight and he should play whatever Hail Marys he has left to throw close to the vest.

I do not agree that it's bad for everyone to be skeptical of a government that's pretty brazen when it comes to shady behavior both here and abroad regardless of who's sitting in which seat. staged voter fraud or whatever would hardly crack the top 10 of horrible **** done on the taxpayers' dime.
 

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this was 'updated' by the city after the Journal-Sentinel pointed out the oddities



there's also tons and tons of mathematical/statistical anomalies all around the country when it comes to probability, Republicans requesting more mail-in ballots in all 5 states in question, etc.

I do agree with you that it's now not Trump's fight and he should play whatever Hail Marys he has left to throw close to the vest.

I do not agree that it's bad for everyone to be skeptical of a government that's pretty brazen when it comes to shady behavior both here and abroad regardless of who's sitting in which seat. staged voter fraud or whatever would hardly crack the top 10 of horrible **** done on the taxpayers' dime.
 
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biden winning mail-in ballots by 38% in Michigan when republicans requested more than Ds is... something



I think people can come together and unite in our skepticism of Washington again. 'rooting' for a political team is bizarre, and nobody's going to do anything for anyone except themselves, their families and their immediate communities.
 

Tarheelhusker

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Agreed just a fair, honest election is too much to ask. someone said, politics is a dirty business.
 

MOHUSKER

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this was 'updated' by the city after the Journal-Sentinel pointed out the oddities



there's also tons and tons of mathematical/statistical anomalies all around the country when it comes to probability, Republicans requesting more mail-in ballots in all 5 states in question, etc.

I do agree with you that it's now not Trump's fight and he should play whatever Hail Marys he has left to throw close to the vest.

I do not agree that it's bad for everyone to be skeptical of a government that's pretty brazen when it comes to shady behavior both here and abroad regardless of who's sitting in which seat. staged voter fraud or whatever would hardly crack the top 10 of horrible **** done on the taxpayers' dime.

Link/Source for that? Wisconsin allows voters to register pretty much any time, so numbers can be way off. Not saying I agree with that, but could explain odd numbers here and there.
 

Capdanjou

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Exactly. It's just not logical. If we were talking about a congressional race, you could possibly find a pattern of illegal voting in a specific are that won a candidate the election. But we're talking nationwide, many counties, some of which Trump won. So the argument really becomes "my votes were valid, his weren't" and Trump expects that to hold water?
 

Capdanjou

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biden winning mail-in ballots by 38% in Michigan when republicans requested more than Ds is... something



I think people can come together and unite in our skepticism of Washington again. 'rooting' for a political team is bizarre.
I'm good with that. I agree with holding our politicians accountable without exception.
 
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