Omar Manning vs Northwestern
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The last I heard he was set to make the trip and has been practicing, but sounds like that could change rapidly.
hes been practicing since last Monday. You’d have to assume we see him travel to the NW game and I have to assume we will see him playing some. How much is left to been seen. The staff knows we need a player like him to get going and to help us out at WR. He could play a ton of snaps or he could play 10-20 snaps. We will see Saturday.
get him out there and throw him the ball!
who cares about practice. time to see if we have some gamers for once.
who cares about practice. time to see if we have some gamers for once.
I'm beginning to not trust the coaches judgement. Sometimes you got to lose control in order to get control.
my guess, he just means we heard about a player being involved and practicing before and then all of sudden they are not and suddenly not traveling and/or not playing.
you know, same here. We see teams like Clemson, Bama, Georgia, OSU, OU, and even Purdue and Maryland getting their big time true freshmen players out there and involved in the offense. So it’s definitely possible.
I think our staff is TO worried about the run blocking that they aren’t playing some of our best pass catching WRs. I get it, we need them to block, sure. But we also need WRs that can cause separation, get open and catch the ball too. Guys like Manning, Brown, Betts, Hickman, and Fleming need to all start seeing the field and doing some damage, instead of them riding the pine because they aren’t blocking like TEs.
Really don't think it's that complicated. It's no secret that he takes coaching techniques from T.O., especially here. Also no secret that T.O. had guys ride pine for a couple years until they knew exactly what they were doing and could be trusted in all facets, on and off the field. It could really be as simple as he wants to make sure they know exactly what they're doing and can be trusted 100% before putting them out there.
You can get him a package of plays. Take 15-20 that he does really well. Some may involve blocking. Take a freshman, they get a package. Eventually, they get the entire playbook. It gets them PT and a chance to make a positive impact. Dont worrt about them knowing 100% of the playbook. The more they know, the more they get to stay on the field. Hopefully each game it grows so the opposing team cant isolate the playbook based on personell.
oh, I know. I’m a big time backer and I always defend Frost and this staff But our lack of production at WR is mind blowing (outside Wandale Robinson). Like I said, we see teams like Purdue get their true freshmen WRs and TEs out there right away and look how well they have flourished. Just my opinion but give Purdue Fleming, Betts, Manning and Brown and those guys would have been playing, if not starting and already had 10-30 catches and looking like All BIG 10 WRs. We have to do something different with our WRs. It hasn’t been working.
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You're not wrong. I would say let's hold off realistic judgement on that though until after Saturday. If we still don't see them, and lose, then I'm willing to argue.
Id have to agree on that. I have feeling, just a gut feeling we seen a vanilla offense against OSU and didn’t see anything like we will see the rest of the season. Like your suggesting, I’ll definitely hold off till after the NW game and see if they get some of those play makers at WR in and going. Fingers crossed.
Okay smart *** let me ask you this, what the hell good does it do to throw these Freshman out there against tOSU to just get absolutely shut down and do nothing productive? In a game we weren't going to win? What good does that do? It's one game on the road in their entire career.
I think it does a lot of good to go out and see if you can beat the best.
iron sharpens iron.
9/10 times I agree with that. Just not in this situation. First game of the year, hell yeah let them go do their thing and build confidence for Big 10 play. Just not this time.
Manning is a junior and has more experience than any of our other wideouts outside of maybe Warner.
Oh I agreed with a few posters above, I think we kept our offense very vanilla and held off on playing some of our guys due to the opponent being a national title contender and being only game 1 of the season. I’m sure you have seen me a number of times backing our staff and defending them over and over again? But at some point, we have to give these play makers a shot. We have to, assuming we ever want shot at turning that corner.
But like Jhollenbeck41 said, let’s see how things go during the NW game and I completely agree. I assume we will see the offense being let loose and we will see some of these guys out there and going. How good NW’s defensive front 7 is, we will have to spread them out and attack that defense that way. So fingers crossed....GBR
If our OL can handle pass pro (the early returns look at least ok so far), there’s simply no reason to not put up some legit passing yards. Sub 200 ain’t gonna cut it. Old school stand in the pocket, run a route, throw a dart.
That’s a level of coaching we should all be able to expect given what they’re paid.
Last year the majority of our pass plays beyond 5 yds were improv scrambles. That’s fine and dandy on occasion, but we need to be able to run a play in 3 seconds that can put the ball at least 10 yds down field and then rinse/repeat.
That’s a level of coaching we should all be able to expect given what they’re paid.
Last year the majority of our pass plays beyond 5 yds were improv scrambles. That’s fine and dandy on occasion, but we need to be able to run a play in 3 seconds that can put the ball at least 10 yds down field and then rinse/repeat.
that’s been my issue. We have seen improvements on the Oline, Dline, RB, and almost all over the place but at WR, that’s when things change. Outside Wan’dale Robinson, the rest of our WRs haven’t been able to do anything or get anything going. Like a few pointed out, hopefully it’s just because we kept things vanilla against one of the best teams in the country.
This NW game, there isn’t any reason why we don’t open it up and let our offense loose. We should see our best play makers on the field and making plays, period. We have some legit weapons in Martinez, McCaffrey, Wan’dale Robinson and even Ronald Thompkins is looking good in his limited reps. Let’s those boys loose and let’s see what happens. I have feeling we have a few other weapons that haven’t been let loose yet....GBR
Edited: ok I’m done on this subject. I’m as frustrated as anyone else when it comes to our WR production or lack there of... I’ll gladly wait and see how they look this weekend vs a stout NW defense. They won’t let us have an easy day running the ball. So we will have no choice but to spread them out and make some passes. Similar to our game plans vs Wisconsin’s defenses the last 2 years.
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If we don't get him on the field this game it's really going to make me think Frost has a real problem. If we can't get the #1 JUCO WR on the field it's going to look really bad.
I’m thinking if there is ever a year to say f the sitting them until they know what they’re doin mentality, it’s this year, play who you have, see what we really have for talent, this year is a way anyways and you’re not burning. Year of eligibility so play then, get them game reps and let’s get to moving this program forward
You play who gives you the best chance to win. Throwing a bunch of players out there who have no idea what they're doing is just going to lead to plays breaking down and isn't going to help us win.
I agree, and I suppose I didn’t explain my stance good enough there... but yes you play who gives you the best chance... but don’t over look guys because they aren’t blocking or whatever, if they have skills put them in, some guys play different then they practice... if they still break down then sit them... but I do still think that if there is ever a year to just see what you have for talent and test your young guys, it’s now... that was kind of where I was trying to go with that