How will covid-19 effect the Spring Game?
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Hey just an FYI for future reference if needed. You should be able to go to your local large animal vet ( not a doggie and kitty) and get 99% alcohol in gallon jugs. Some may have it in bulk and you can bring in your own jug
OK guys, keep in mind that hospitals prepare for worst-case scenarios. My friend, who is a big Trump supporter, sent me this. It gives me no pleasure in posting this. Not sure why he didn't include the slide. Am trying to get it from him.
"Document for U.S. Hospitals Reveals They're Preparing for Millions of Coronavirus-Related Hospitalizations:
Hospitals are bracing for millions of Americans to be hospitalized as part of the novel coronavirus outbreak. The American Hospital Association, which represents thousands of hospitals and health systems, hosted a webinar in February with its member hospitals and health systems. Business Insider obtained a copy of the slides presented.
As part of the presentation to hospitals, Dr. James Lawler, a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center gave his "best guess" estimates of how much the virus might spread in the U.S. That included 4.8 million hospitalizations associated with the novel coronavirus, 96 million cases overall in the U.S., and 480,000 deaths. Overall, the slide points out that hospitals should prepare for an impact to the system that's 10 times a severe flu season. The slide does not give a particular time frame.
The American Hospital Association said the webinar reflects the views of the experts who spoke on it, not its own. Lawler isn't alone in anticipating widespread infections. Marc Lipsitch an epidemiology professor at Harvard University told The Atlantic he predicts anywhere from 40-70% of people globally will be infected with the novel coronavirus within the next year. A copy of the slide is below. (Source: Business Insider)
Can't copy and paste the slide for some reason. Am going to type out what it says though..."
Info from slide..
"BEST GUESS EPIDEMIOLOGY
Ro = 2.5; Doubling time is 7-10 days
* Community attack rate = 30-40%
* Cases requiring hospitalization = 5%
* Cases requiring ICU care = 1-2%
* Cases requiring ventilation support = 1%
* CFR = 0.5%
* epi wave - 2 months
* U.S.: 96 million cases
* U.S.: 48 million admissions
* U.S.: 1.9 million ICU
* U.S.: 1 PPV
* U.S.: 480,000 deaths
PREPARE FOR DISEASE BURDEN ROUGHLY 10X SEVERE FLU SEASON"
"Document for U.S. Hospitals Reveals They're Preparing for Millions of Coronavirus-Related Hospitalizations:
Hospitals are bracing for millions of Americans to be hospitalized as part of the novel coronavirus outbreak. The American Hospital Association, which represents thousands of hospitals and health systems, hosted a webinar in February with its member hospitals and health systems. Business Insider obtained a copy of the slides presented.
As part of the presentation to hospitals, Dr. James Lawler, a professor at the University of Nebraska Medical Center gave his "best guess" estimates of how much the virus might spread in the U.S. That included 4.8 million hospitalizations associated with the novel coronavirus, 96 million cases overall in the U.S., and 480,000 deaths. Overall, the slide points out that hospitals should prepare for an impact to the system that's 10 times a severe flu season. The slide does not give a particular time frame.
The American Hospital Association said the webinar reflects the views of the experts who spoke on it, not its own. Lawler isn't alone in anticipating widespread infections. Marc Lipsitch an epidemiology professor at Harvard University told The Atlantic he predicts anywhere from 40-70% of people globally will be infected with the novel coronavirus within the next year. A copy of the slide is below. (Source: Business Insider)
Can't copy and paste the slide for some reason. Am going to type out what it says though..."
Info from slide..
"BEST GUESS EPIDEMIOLOGY
Ro = 2.5; Doubling time is 7-10 days
* Community attack rate = 30-40%
* Cases requiring hospitalization = 5%
* Cases requiring ICU care = 1-2%
* Cases requiring ventilation support = 1%
* CFR = 0.5%
* epi wave - 2 months
* U.S.: 96 million cases
* U.S.: 48 million admissions
* U.S.: 1.9 million ICU
* U.S.: 1 PPV
* U.S.: 480,000 deaths
PREPARE FOR DISEASE BURDEN ROUGHLY 10X SEVERE FLU SEASON"
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Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I have no problem with this, then again I'm an old blue hair who will probably die from this anyway. Winking
Those things were created by a tiny group of people. Our country, present and past, has very little historical respect for science. This is why we are the only "educated" country in the world that has any resistance whatsoever to evolution or climate change. Go and look at how many "Americans" actually made discoveries or advancements in the last century. Very few. There are consequences for allowing a populace to be so suspicious of scientific reason.
This is good...hopefully they are starting to prepare separate quarantine facilities and can work with the national guard in providing supportive care. I know Georgia already has a separate facility. We can cut the death rate quite dramatically if people can get the respiratory help they need. Also, we need a big jump in antibiotic production. Lincoln is pre-screening anyone who shows up to the hospital...and there are alternative sites to get tested away from the hospital. This is going to be a battle between people allowed the system to unite to face this challenge and people being afraid to lose profits...
I'm just going to do what the government asks of me. If they want me to stay home to avoid exposure, it's only a matter of time before all hospitals tell medical reps that we have to stay out of hospitals the way it is.
The University of Wisconsin Medical Center has already closed down rep visits. I'm guessing I'll be working the telephone a lot more in the next few months.
Separate quarantine facilities? How exactly do you quarantine over 100 million people?
As someone who has spent many hours in epidemiology and virology classes, I can tell you that the hand sanitizer routine is pretty hit and miss. You might get lucky and hit the bug at the right time in the right place. There are so many "breaks" that HAVE to happen in sterile technique that take place when using hand sanitizer whether it is in airport security or the local restaurant. Can you sanitize your shoe laces, belt, shoes, wallet, whatever thing you take through security? Not really. How many hands go in to the bin of ice at your local pub as they get you a Coke or mixed drink after they've handled the dirty drink glasses at the bar? Do the fast food employees wear masks when they wrap your burger? Face it, if you're out anywhere in public, eventually you're probably going to get exposed.
evolution has nothing to do with scientific innovation
belittling ones who don't share your faith is counterproductive
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He's not suggesting that. He is suggesting that the American populous is fairly resistant to the idea that evolution occurs.
depends on what one means by "evolution"
Most people in general don't accept other faiths
I guess I don't really know what this means. Evolution to me means the process by which organisms genetically adapt to their environment.
Faith to me (at least in the context of this discussion) means belief in a higher power. It doesn't indicate a religion or ideology.
Well, I'm not gonna lie. I'm tired of people treating it with the seriousness of the common cold. Those are the people that will take the responsibility of self-quarantine lightly after they catch it, and will kill other people.
Here's something to chew on.. Less than 3 days ago, we had 350 cases in the U.S. We have more than doubled that number, and are now sitting at 729 confirmed cases. You think this thing isn't going to spread like wildfire from here on out? Think again..
What you just described is micro evolution and everyone agrees with it. It is not to be confused with faith based Darwinism. Totally different mechanisms. One is observable and the other not.
Just got an email from Harvard University that they have cancelled classes for the rest of the year. Have to move my kid home this weekend which means ubers and lots of time in airports and airplanes.
I'll be shocked if we don't end up with the virus at our house by late next week. They've got midterms this week so the kids are stressed out. MIT had already announced that everything will be online from now on.Genotype determines phenotype. Always has. Microevolution takes place before macroevolution takes place. And we have a mechanism in both mitosis and meiosis whereby which traits are altered at the micro level, that also ultimately alter the macro level. It's called recombination, or crossing over. DNA strands are altered in every individual cell.
It's the very reason why we have some traits of one parent and some of the other, but we aren't identical to them. I believe it also serves us in evolution. How could it not? When pressure is applied to us by our environment, changes can take place at the micro level for the organism to better adapt to its environment. That will eventually alter the macro level.
Just got an email from Harvard University that they have cancelled classes for the rest of the year. Have to move my kid home this weekend which means ubers and lots of time in airports and airplanes.
Yup, I'm afraid this is where we are heading. Gotta do it for the common good of society.
And you know their administration is receiving advice from their medical school. This is prudent.
There are 1000s more cases than that. And for some thats all it
Is a cold
So you want people to blow it out of proportion for what purpose.
It was here before the first case was even reported here. Then it became a political tool. Now you are scared.
But if you or anyone you know gets the flu they could die regardless of age,sex or health.
129 dead kids from the flu this year..spare me the outrage.
microevolution + time =/= macroevolution.
You are free to believe that tho.
Microevolution + time has been shown to create a more limited genetic pool.
Macroevolution requires the opposite.
I disagree, but that's fine. We see changes in appearance from our parents in one generation. Punctuated Equilibrium also suggests quick changes to phenotype due to environmental pressures.
But your response indicates that you agree that macroevolution takes place, based on microevolution. This is where the religious right seems to lose focus. But don't get me wrong, I firmly believe God installed in organisms that ability to evolve. Creation - Evolution so to speak.
Don't see how you can jump the gap between Mendelian genetics and punctuated equilibrium. PE is a theory brought about by necessity, to make up for the lack of physical evidence.
We see physical evidence of our ability to change with every generation. That is physical evidence. Why would you think that wouldn't also apply to our ability to survive harsher climates?
do we increase in genetic information every generation? Quite the opposite.
We have genetics and epigenetics that help with adaptation. Survival traits are built into living things but limited.
I would actually think that with every generation, we are increasing variations in gene sequence. We know that viruses and bacteria's DNA are being altered to stay alive, which is creating new viruses and new antibiotic-resistant super bugs, so I would think that would mean that new sequences of DNA are being created.
It's been a long while since I studied this stuff, but I would think that human DNA has become more diverse with every new generation. And how many different strains are there being added to the flu shot every year? New viruses and bacteria mean new genetic material to be sequenced to fight these bugs.
Edit - I'm sure a lot has been discovered that I'm not aware of, but try to stay fairly current. I'll have to learn more about epigenetics.
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Bacterial resistance happens due to a loss of information or the already resistant bacteria is made the majority due to overuse of antibiotics. They have found ancient bacteria that are resistant to penicillin, even tho they never came into contact with it.
Every generation of humans has 100 times more mutations than the last, increasing genetic entropy and genetic decay. Pairing of DNA during mating doesn't add information, it just creates a new combination of already existing information. As each generation is born, more and more defects surface and thus the genetic pool overall gets smaller.
Not saying you are wrong, and you have clearly given me some food for thought, but I found this info below. It says that Evolution occurs because of a combination of natural selection and new genetic combinations being created during the recombination phase during meiosis.
Anyway, thanks for the info on epigenetics. Interesting stuff. I will be bringing myself up to speed..
"Natural selection is usually the most powerful mechanism or process causing evolution to occur, however, it only selects among the existing variation already in a population. It does not create new genetic varieties or new combinations of varieties. One of the sources of those new combinations of genes is recombination during meiosis. It is responsible for producing genetic combinations not found in earlier generations."
https://www2.palomar.edu/anthro/synthetic/synth_7.htm
A popular theory is that mutations + natural selection is the mechanism for gradual evolution. That was a 19th century scientific theory that has since then been under dispute.
Natural selection doesn't create but rather selects. I don't have faith that mutations can create complex information on the scale needed for life. They scramble information.
The issue isn't the various combinations of genetic information, rather, the creation/origin of information to select from. So far, encoded information has only been identified as the product of a mind.
Some have postulated punctuated equilibrium by way of the hox genes instead of gradualism due to the gulfs that we see in the plant and animal kingdoms.
Many scientists now have rejected both ideas and are searching for a third option.
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This sissy attitude is why I didn’t go to Harvard.*Just got an email from Harvard University that they have cancelled classes for the rest of the year. Have to move my kid home this weekend which means ubers and lots of time in airports and airplanes.
*Grades and money were also factors.
I wasn't suggesting natural selection creates, but instead, eliminates weaker genetic sequences. The part that I was referring to is the creation of new gene sequences during meiosis. It would appear that both play an important role in evolution.
Anyway, it's always been a fascinating topic to me. So...Stephen J. Gould no longer has any street cred with his Punctuated Equilibrium theory? Bumma.. Making mention of that theory is really showing my age, isn't it?
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Stephen J Gould was great on the Simpsons.I wasn't suggesting natural selection creates, but instead, eliminates weaker genetic sequences. The part that I was referring to is the creation of new gene sequences during meiosis. It would appear that both play an important role in evolution.
Anyway, it's always been a fascinating topic to me. So...Stephen J. Gould no longer has any street cred with his Punctuated Equilibrium theory? Bumma.. Making mention of that theory is really showing my age, isn't it?
If it could end THIS streak
https://news.yahoo.com/san-franciscos-monthly-non-sexual-192000741.html
Then anything is possible.
Again...another post loaded with misinformation. You clearly didn't read the leaked material from the presentation by an expert from Nebraska Medicine. And clearly didn't read that Harvard and MIT have eliminated in-person class attendance and have gone to online classes. There will be a lot more to follow.
The Corona virus has app. a 30X higher mortality rate than the common flu. Read up. It hasn't killed as many, because it was started by one carrier, unlike multiple carriers with the flu each year.
And so it begins.. Iowa State has now cancelled in-person classes for the remainder of the year, and is going online.
Amazingly while they don't offer scholarships, they do tailor tuition to a family's ability to pay. First generation immigrants go for free. First generation minority students also may go for free. They had a top ten basketball recruiting class a couple of years ago and my guess is that most of those guys qualify for free school as first generation college students which I believe is legal by NCAA and conference rules as long as they offer that same thing to all low income students. Unfortunately or fortunately I guess we have the means to shell out 70k a year for college and don't qualify for any tuition breaks. More worried right now about getting the kid home safe and healthy. Massachusetts is up to 92 known positives and nearly a thousand investigatory COVID-19 cases.