Dave Rimington comments

[Sodakred]

In his interview with the Lincoln rag, I thought the following comments were interesting:

“Cam's just got to get a little stronger and a little more consistent with his snaps. To me, a lot of Adrian Martinez's problems were a result of the ball being all over the place. In that offense, you have to keep your eyes downfield."

Nothing that hasn’t been discussed here, but Rimington certainly knows more about the topic than any of us.

 

[Lincoln100]

That settles it

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

In his interview with the Lincoln rag, I though the following comments were interesting:

“Cam's just got to get a little stronger and a little more consistent with his snaps. To me, a lot of Adrian Martinez's problems were a result of the ball being all over the place. In that offense, you have to keep your eyes downfield."

Nothing that hasn’t been discussed here, but Rimington certainly knows more about the topic than any of us.

I agree, Cam just wasn't ready this year, and IMO a better lower risk alternative was available this year. Cam does offer more upside down the road if he gets stronger with more consistent technique.

Just another factor, among many, why we keep having losing seasons.

 

[Baxter48_rivals204143]

W

I agree, Cam just wasn't ready this year, and IMO a better lower risk alternative was available this year. Cam does offer more upside down the road if he gets stronger with more consistent technique.

Just another factor, among many, why we keep having losing seasons.

what lower risk? Will farniok got steamrolled who else? Not being sarcastic I believe the cupboard was empty

 

[DudznSudz]

Rimington's point is well taken; I remember when Tommy Armstrong Jr. had to deal with high snaps all season, and he was a senior QB who absolutely knew what he was doing, and it still threw off the offense and resulted in zero to ****** gains because everything was a second behind what it should have been.

Martinez has a higher ceiling than Armstrong had, but he's a sophomore taking snaps in what is supposed to be a very fast RPO offense, and the snaps aren't just high, they're everywhere. That, and Martinez played like he was scared and hurt most of the season. Just my take.

 

[TruHusker]

Martinez is not scared IMO. He suffers from lack of vision. He didn't play his senior year of HS and was thrust into action as a true freshman in college. He had Morgan and Ozigbo to take the heat off and a serviceable O line. Some QBs can see everything which is huge, some can't. How else do you explain miss seeing so many wide open guys right in front of him and open lanes to run? This type of O, as has been stated, is very dependent on the QB having excellent vision and decision making. The QB has specific keys for each play and anything that disrupts that throws it all off. He has a progression of footwork that gets messed up as well so the entire timing of a play is gone. The O line is chip blocking and when the timing is off, that doesn't work. It was often a total break down of timing.

 

[KC-Husker]

In his interview with the Lincoln rag, I though the following comments were interesting:

“Cam's just got to get a little stronger and a little more consistent with his snaps. To me, a lot of Adrian Martinez's problems were a result of the ball being all over the place. .

So what is the excuse for the last 6 games of the season?

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

So what is the excuse for the last 6 games of the season?

He was injured. End of mystery.

 

[KC-Husker]

He was injured. End of mystery.

Cool. So when did he get hurt? What body part? Why was he still playing? So did he struggle because of high snaps, or because he was hurt?

 

[Lincoln100]

If I could try to nip this in the bud for everyone before it goes 5 pages of the same stuff. The high snaps made his job harder. Being injured, whether it was minor or more than minor, made his job harder. However, it doesn't excuse his body of work. All of his game looked like it took a big step back, and it can't be explained away with high snaps and whatever the nature of the injury. He wasn't what he was last year, for a lot of reasons, including injury and poor snaps. Can I get a second?

 

[wannabee8]

Cool. So when did he get hurt? What body part? Why was he still playing? So did he struggle because of high snaps, or because he was hurt?

Ok class, today we’re gonna talk about colors black, white and gray. Not everything is black or white. Some things are gray. That’s all for today!

Also Frost told me about Adrian’s injury, but I’m not telling you so

 

[Headcard]

Cool. So when did he get hurt? What body part? Why was he still playing? So did he struggle because of high snaps, or because he was hurt?

Possibly the two he had surgery on..

 

[Headcard]

If I could try to nip this in the bud for everyone before it goes 5 pages of the same stuff. The high snaps made his job harder. Being injured, whether it was minor or more than minor, made his job harder. However, it doesn't excuse his body of work. All of his game looked like it took a big step back, and it can't be explained away with high snaps and whatever the nature of the injury. He wasn't what he was last year, for a lot of reasons, including injury and poor snaps. Can I get a second?

Here, here.

 

[Lincoln100]

Here, here.

Thank you. All in favor? "Aye," all opposed, "Nay."

 

[timnsun]

Aye

 

[wannabee8]

Thank you. All in favor? "Aye," all opposed, "Nay."

Present! Smokin

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Nay
Because always being contrary is cool and stuff

 

[mgbreeze]

Only 8 and half more months of turning EVERY thread into the Martinez debate. The clock is ticking so be sure to get your hot takes in soon!

 

[inWV]

While many (including myself) were injecting Big Red Koolaid into our veins, some were pointing out issues with depth and concern about replacing Farmer, Foster, Zig and Stan on offense. As it turns out, NU's best solution for replacing Farmer and Foster, were a RS Frosh and a walk on. Add in an injured sophomore QB, no WR save Wandale stepping up to replace Stan's production and a run game that didn't get going until the Oline and Mills worked out some kinks.
NU's offense literally limped into the Iowa game. Noa gone, Wandale gimped and not available in the second half and Martinez no where near 100%. Frost's offense requires playmakers. NU suffered from a paucity of those to begin the season, then lost Mo to stupidity, with Wandale and AMart missing time due to injury. There's a reason a kid like Miles Jones is moving on. He couldn't even see the field with a shallow depth chart due to injuries. And if Bradley couldn't play this year, he'll never play a meaningful down at NU.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

While many (including myself) were injecting Big Red Koolaid into our veins, some were pointing out issues with depth and concern about replacing Farmer, Foster, Zig and Stan on offense. As it turns out, NU's best solution for replacing Farmer and Foster, were a RS Frosh and a walk on. Add in an injured sophomore QB, no WR save Wandale stepping up to replace Stan's production and a run game that didn't get going until the Oline and Mills worked out some kinks.
NU's offense literally limped into the Iowa game. Noa gone, Wandale gimped and not available in the second half and Martinez no where near 100%. Frost's offense requires playmakers. NU suffered from a paucity of those to begin the season, then lost Mo to stupidity, with Wandale and AMart missing time due to injury. There's a reason a kid like Miles Jones is moving on. He couldn't even see the field with a shallow depth chart due to injuries. And if Bradley couldn't play this year, he'll never play a meaningful down at NU.

Nice summay, I'll just add, WR depth got worse, OL got worse, RB took a step back, AM was injured, and my hunch is that Mario went full blown Micro on AM with Paralysis by Analysis. I'm confident the Offense will get turned around in 1-2 years, the Defense however, I have very little confidence in.

 

[wannabee8]

Nice summay, I'll just add, WR depth got worse, OL got worse, RB took a step back, AM was injured, and my hunch is that Mario went full blown Micro on AM with Paralysis by Analysis. I'm confident the Offense will get turned around in 1-2 years, the Defense however, I have very little confidence in.

I was more confident with the defense than I was with the offense at the end of the season. We desperately need some speed and depth at linebacker, which the staff tried to rectify with the JUCO guys. Only time will tell if they’re on the right track.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

I agree, Cam just wasn't ready this year, and IMO a better lower risk alternative was available this year. Cam does offer more upside down the road if he gets stronger with more consistent technique.

Just another factor, among many, why we keep having losing seasons.

Second half of the season he played very well... should be all honorable mention all conference next year

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

While many (including myself) were injecting Big Red Koolaid into our veins, some were pointing out issues with depth and concern about replacing Farmer, Foster, Zig and Stan on offense. As it turns out, NU's best solution for replacing Farmer and Foster, were a RS Frosh and a walk on. Add in an injured sophomore QB, no WR save Wandale stepping up to replace Stan's production and a run game that didn't get going until the Oline and Mills worked out some kinks.
NU's offense literally limped into the Iowa game. Noa gone, Wandale gimped and not available in the second half and Martinez no where near 100%. Frost's offense requires playmakers. NU suffered from a paucity of those to begin the season, then lost Mo to stupidity, with Wandale and AMart missing time due to injury. There's a reason a kid like Miles Jones is moving on. He couldn't even see the field with a shallow depth chart due to injuries. And if Bradley couldn't play this year, he'll never play a meaningful down at NU.

Don't give away too much early on, what will we have to talk about later on.
Facts can end controversy ya know

 

[wannabee8]

Nice summay, I'll just add, WR depth got worse, OL got worse, RB took a step back, AM was injured, and my hunch is that Mario went full blown Micro on AM with Paralysis by Analysis. I'm confident the Offense will get turned around in 1-2 years, the Defense however, I have very little confidence in.

I have it on good authority that they brought in Matt Foley recently to talk to Coach Ruud.

 

[Trumplestiltskin]

Nice summay, I'll just add, WR depth got worse, OL got worse, RB took a step back, AM was injured, and my hunch is that Mario went full blown Micro on AM with Paralysis by Analysis. I'm confident the Offense will get turned around in 1-2 years, the Defense however, I have very little confidence in.

Defense is almost where Frost wants it at less than 30ppg

 

[schuele]

Only 8 and half more months of turning EVERY thread into the Martinez debate. The clock is ticking so be sure to get your hot takes in soon!

Dibs on that hottest of hot takes that says Frost won’t start anyone else at QB no matter what.

Just typing it made me feel like the ultimate insider!

 

[Hard4Corn]

Martinez likely had a torn labrum in his left shoulder. Those aren’t necessarily debilitating but could certainly explain his hesitation to run and make contact. Can be very painful. Also had a knee injury that we all saw happen. Bad snaps didn’t help and the line was very poor early on, especially at run blocking. Mills took a while to establish himself. All of this contributed to Adrian having a rough go. The thing that worries me some is that he didn’t see open guys and was late delivering the ball a lot. I think his accuracy will improve with his health.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

Martinez likely had a torn labrum in his left shoulder. Those aren’t necessarily debilitating but could certainly explain his hesitation to run and make contact. Can be very painful. Also had a knee injury that we all saw happen. Bad snaps didn’t help and the line was very poor early on, especially at run blocking. Mills took a while to establish himself. All of this contributed to Adrian having a rough go. The thing that worries me some is that he didn’t see open guys and was late delivering the ball a lot. I think his accuracy will improve with his health.

Anything overhead can be very painful,even using the other arm, it tightens you up against the pain, or even potential pain, like having a limp after a sprain, even after the main pain goes away.
Add in an ankle and knee.
No excuses, just a tough player.

 

[rrthusker]

In his interview with the Lincoln rag, I though the following comments were interesting:

“Cam's just got to get a little stronger and a little more consistent with his snaps. To me, a lot of Adrian Martinez's problems were a result of the ball being all over the place. In that offense, you have to keep your eyes downfield."

Nothing that hasn’t been discussed here, but Rimington certainly knows more about the topic than any of us.

True but several posters will say they know much more than Dave on the topic.

 

[ssmill777]

Martinez likely had a torn labrum in his left shoulder. Those aren’t necessarily debilitating but could certainly explain his hesitation to run and make contact. Can be very painful. Also had a knee injury that we all saw happen. Bad snaps didn’t help and the line was very poor early on, especially at run blocking. Mills took a while to establish himself. All of this contributed to Adrian having a rough go. The thing that worries me some is that he didn’t see open guys and was late delivering the ball a lot. I think his accuracy will improve with his health.

I agree and sympathize with the pain he probably went through, but what I don't understand - is why with 2 good QB's on the bench we didn't play them more and give AM a break. An injured Martinez did not look better than a healthy LM or NV to me at least.

 

[schuele]

I agree and sympathize with the pain he probably went through, but what I don't understand - is why with 2 good QB's on the bench we didn't play them more and give AM a break. An injured Martinez did not look better than a healthy LM or NV to me at least.

It could be that this game didn't exactly scream, "Play the backup QBs more!"
Nebraska-Minnesota Play-by-Play

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

It could be that this game didn't exactly scream, "Play the backup QBs more!"
Nebraska-Minnesota Play-by-Play

In all fairness, Luke didnt get the same quality snaps over the season Noah had. Bunch likely had the same.
But there you have it.

 

[schuele]

In all fairness, Luke didnt get the same quality snaps over the season Noah had. Bunch likely had the same.
But there you have it.

I agree. I think if the decision hadn't been made to redshirt McCaffrey, he would have played more in relief of Martinez.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

I agree and sympathize with the pain he probably went through, but what I don't understand - is why with 2 good QB's on the bench we didn't play them more and give AM a break. An injured Martinez did not look better than a healthy LM or NV to me at least.

NV was also injured at some point

 

[Headcard]

I agree and sympathize with the pain he probably went through, but what I don't understand - is why with 2 good QB's on the bench we didn't play them more and give AM a break. An injured Martinez did not look better than a healthy LM or NV to me at least.

They were not healthy either.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

I have it on good authority that they brought in Matt Foley recently to talk to Coach Ruud.

That explains things

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

That explains things

Hope they send recruiters down by the river

 

[Clemke32]

Cool. So when did he get hurt? What body part? Why was he still playing? So did he struggle because of high snaps, or because he was hurt?

well aren’t we the inquisitive one today huh? Why does it HAVE to be one or the other? And while we are at it are you all not the same crowd the b•••h and moans if players don’t play through an injury? Let’s just call it what it is, you think he played like crap because you think he is crap, got it... the kid played through injury and showed some grit, it obviously had something to do with his “decline” from last year... he may have also got hurt wile trying to scramble to keep a play alive after one of those said crappy snaps... lets not play completely stupid here, we all know early in the season the snaps were horrid, and for whatever reason 2AM couldn’t shake the memory of those and it was stuck in his head all year, you add that in with playing with an injury and it kind of explains a lot... for those of you who question his toughness you try playing QB while injured, even on your none throwing side... it hurts and frankly he probably should have been shut down... now as far as that goes there is only so much coaches can and will do if they are not being told the whole story or the extent of the injury... it’s not all too uncommon to see players play through minor injuries for the whole year then get surgery in the offseason... y’all need to get off this kids b@lls... that was only his sophomore season after being a year removed from an injury that kept him from his senior year... now I’m not saying 2AM is all that and then some... but I am saying the injury and poor snaps explains a lot of what was seen...

 

[Sodakred]

True but several posters will say they know much more than Dave on the topic.

This place is the Wikipedia of Husker football.

 

[Huskerchil]

During the season, shoulder, he was best player Frost was at practice you weren’t, yes yes