yea you read that correctly... players should know fundamentals before they get here... coaches should also teach technique they should be working on fine tuning technique... not starting from scratch
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yea you read that correctly... players should know fundamentals before they get here... coaches should also teach technique they should be working on fine tuning technique... not starting from scratch
Difference of opinion is fine with me, it is a discussion board after all. I'm not someone who likes to pin blame on everything under the sun when things go wrong. The current coaching staff is really the only group of people that can effect any kind of meaningful change. Imo the current coaching staff is fully accountable to the program, and they are fully responsible for the results on the field. I've always held that view whether the results are good or bad.
I'm afraid some coaches are getting used to losing as well. I am on board with Scott for 3-4 more yrs regardless, but am losing hope that he can turn it around. For me, after 2 yrs of lousy defenses, if no changes are made with the defensive staff this off season and Frost doesn't make a huge push to improve the D, I will begin to doubt his competency as a D1 head coach.
So if I could paraphrase, what I think you are saying is they come with the basics of throwing, catching, blocking and tackling. Coaches refine those skills by teaching how they want things done?
#1 Rule: Can't run a poll right, probably shouldn't be criticizing the the husker head coach. And I make a lot of mistakes, which is why I very sparingly criticize greater men than myself.
This is what I am looking for as well. What happens with this team when something salvageable is on the line? Beat Maryland, pull out an upset against Iowa, and the outlook on next year changes dramatically.
I’d guess you could paraphrase however you want... you could always go back re read what I’m saying and oh I don’t know stop trying to be a smart *** about it... the bottom line is the kids that come here or any college showed that they had the skill set to play at the “next level” meaning they had the skill and potential to play at the collegiate level... meaning that they should know to wrap up on tackles, play through the whistle, hustle, drive through contact... it would then be the college coaches job to “refine” each kids form... from the basics of I was bigger, faster, stronger then most I played with to, now I must use proper technique to break past a block, to play transition from back peddle to sticking to the guys hip, turning to find the ball... sooo if we can be done with the stupid antics that’d be great... I have no tolerance for someone trying to be a smart ***
Well good deal because we weren’t talking about moral victories. Just to touch on this point, you say moral victories and I say it’s giving credit where it’s Credit is due. Our offense was able to go up and down the field on Wisconsin, we just couldn’t put it in the end zone . Wisconsin has an elite defense and one of the best defenses we faced all season. And if we can hang 500 total yards of offense on Wisconsin’s defense, we can definitely do it to Iowa’s defense, their defense isn’t as good as Wisconsin’s defense is.
Iowa is far from unbeatable. They are not OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan or even PSU. Again, if we can hang almost 500 total yards against the Badgers, we can definitely do against Iowa. Just hopefully we get that Redzone issues fixed...GBR
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lmfao, ok...after we hung almost 500 on them they are what, number 4 in the nation now. When we played them they where ranked number 1. Stop being a douche bag bro. Ranked 1st or ranked 4th...not much difference. That’s still a beast defense.
Two, where on the world was I taking about the Huskers defense? Please quote me my man?!?! I’ll wait for it....then again, you won’t be able to because I didn’t say a dam word about our defense and how we played. I was making a point on how good the Badgers defense was. And like i said, before we hung dam near 500 on them, they where ranked number 1 in the country in overall yards allowed per game when we played them.
note, I kept saying over and over and over again our biggest issue is finishing drives. Hell we’d won the Badgers game had we finished our drives. Our offense absolutely lite up that Badger defense. We just could not stuff into the end zone.
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I'm with you. The CU loss was the angriest I've been in a while. The others were just the usual disappointment and eventual apathy.
I actually agree with your general assessment of the process. So my next question has to naturally follow - why haven't our players improved in many areas?
and that’s a very valid question, and it’s a question I find myself trying to answer a lot on this board... the reality is I don’t have the answer to that, but my theory, which I know people won’t agree with, is it does ultimately begin with the previous staff, with the Precedents they set, the not working out, the effort put forth in practice, and the change over and lack of consistency with position coaches... correct me for my ignorance here as I haven’t really dug through the roster but some of these kids have been here through even Bo’s final year, they have seen a TON of turnover and frankly their time and UNL has been full of losses and change and has most likely been down right miserable, in essence they lost all their F••ks to give, and it shows... there are certain things I can preach all day to anyone that works for me, I can preach effort, I can preach consistency, but I can’t teach it, and when employees (players) know that there are no their options and they won’t get fired (benched) then they have no motivation to give it their all... it is up to the player to have that integrity to do the right thing, to drive through the ball, to hustle, to play from whistle to whistle, it’s in the coaches to provide the motivation to make the players want to do that... now it is difficult for the coaches to provide the motivation if you have no one that is physically ready to play behind them... and they can’t really go back and dive too much into during the season, due to having to game plan, and I think it was @oldjar07 that said it and he is correct to an extent, if you don’t continue to work on basics then you can game plan all you want it won’t get you any where, but the reverse is true too, you can work on fundamentals all you want but without game planning you’ll be lost and won’t get any where, you have to find a balance between the two without having to constantly go back to square one with the basics that they should already know... if we can’t get past the basics, how can we develop you and fine tune into something better?
Good rule of thumb, when someone comments and they have almost 6 times the amount of post vs likes I don't take their opinions too seriously. It means one blows lots of hot air with little substance.
Some posters Winking had thousands of posts before the "like" button was added.
I like the 7-5 one it dose sound better then 7-6. Dose that get us in the Blue Bonnet Bowl against Iowa in a rematch?
Unfortunately, I had us winning 4 in Riley’s last year. I had us winning 4 in Frost’s first year. I had us winning 5 this year. And I have us winning 5 next year. I hope I’m wrong but it looks like I’m probably not going to be.So last year I picked us to win 6 pre-season and thought I was being overly cautious considering where everyone else was at. This year pre-season, I had us with 6 again and a bowl game and thought I was being overly cautious again
I am still holding out hope to be right once.
It does look and sound better, yes. Not correct, thats why it was corrected yesterday, seconds after it was posted.
some post suggestions/themes for those with poor "post to like" ratios
-- suggest random walkon player might be the next Grant Wistrom
-- demand that local Nebraska kid get a scholarship offer despite no other power 5 offers
-- liberal use of diamond in the rough, or under the radar verbiage
-- "stars don't matter"
-- Iowa sucks
-- pipeline and/or Milt
-- Blackshirt/McBride
-- run the ball
-- national titles, blue blood, emphasis on how good we used to be
-- patience
-- fullback
-- and if the "likes" still aren't flowing the standard default is yoga pants pics
I said before the season that getting to a bowl game was my ultimate hope for this season. I was hoping I was being pessimistic but a lot of the issues I worried about came to fruition.
That being said, I voted for 7-5 simply for the morale boost to a lot of the fans who bought into the kool-aid before the season. I feel like people didn't fully grasp the level of a rebuild this program needs especially with several established coaches in both divisions. It's going to take some time. The undeserved media hype to start the season made things even worse.
Regardless of wins, I'm hoping we continue to see the offensive line progress as they have the last couple weeks. I'm hoping we can continue to see Dedrick Mills put up good rushing totals. I'm also hoping that Adrian can get his confidence level up to end the season and start the offseason on a positive note.
Defensively, I want as many young guys to play as possible just to get their feet wet heading into the offseason. I loved seeing Nelson and Robinson play and hope we can see a few other young guys get some snaps and valuable experience. Anyone that plays hard should be in there regardless of seniority.
While this season's ultimate goals are lost, there are still opportunities to take advantage of and I just hope the coaching staff and team is able to do so.
That being said, I voted for 7-5 simply for the morale boost to a lot of the fans who bought into the kool-aid before the season. I feel like people didn't fully grasp the level of a rebuild this program needs especially with several established coaches in both divisions. It's going to take some time. The undeserved media hype to start the season made things even worse.
Regardless of wins, I'm hoping we continue to see the offensive line progress as they have the last couple weeks. I'm hoping we can continue to see Dedrick Mills put up good rushing totals. I'm also hoping that Adrian can get his confidence level up to end the season and start the offseason on a positive note.
Defensively, I want as many young guys to play as possible just to get their feet wet heading into the offseason. I loved seeing Nelson and Robinson play and hope we can see a few other young guys get some snaps and valuable experience. Anyone that plays hard should be in there regardless of seniority.
While this season's ultimate goals are lost, there are still opportunities to take advantage of and I just hope the coaching staff and team is able to do so.
Chins isn’t going anywhere. Although I think he’s partially to blame, I see more of the problems being in 1) lack of athletes, 2) poor attitude and mental toughness and 3) poor player leadership.
So we have 2 things against us, first is we’re not very talented or deep. Second, our dc is pretty green. He’s only been a defensive coach for 6 years. You mesh those two things together and you get exactly what we’re seeing. I think we should give Chins at least through next year to see any improvement. I would also like to see him be a better recruiter but kinda like the chicken and the egg, can’t get the top recruits if we’re playing uninspiring football.
Over the past 25 years we've seen stretches where coaching stability was perceived as a key to our success (TO), stretches where coaching stability or unwillingness to make changes was perceived as part of our problem (later part of Solich era and Callahan tenure), and stretches where lack of coaching stability was perceived as part of our problem (End of Pelini-Riley-beginning of Frost eras). Its been awhile since we blamed stability for our issues problem - so maybe we should try that for awhile.
That and getting better talent as already stated.
Stability is good when you have good coaches. When you have several coaches that have been performing below par, stability doesn't help a damn thing.
Agreed. At the same time, changing coaching when you don't have much talent doesn't do much either, unless the coaches you are getting rid of are part of the reason you don't have much talent.
You won’t get 500 yds against Iowa, in all probability Martinez will get sacked so many times he can’t finish the game. Frost needs to fix the deer in the headlights look he gets on his face when the opposing teams onslaught begins.
Right, we only put up 400 yards last year at your place where you won on a last second FG from 40+ out against a team that ended 4-8. Real shutdown D.
I lean towards agreeing with this. However playing devils advocate. Going into the year most had high hopes for the D, why? Because they had the most experience and most upper class men. In most situations that is a good thing. However, all upper class men are MR recruits. As we have heard MR didn't exactly run a tight ship. If these guys, who were in a system where they could pretty well half *** it for 3 years. Suddenly get thrown into a program where I assume you are expected to work your *** off. I don't see that being an easy transition for them. I could see where some are just saying screw it, lets do bare min, until I graduate. Most of MR recruits aren't going pro and they know it.
Now lets say as a coach you know these guys aren't giving it 100%. Yes, the are doing what is asked, yes they know the plays, but they just aren't giving that extra effort that is needed. What are your options? You can get on them over and over and over in an attempt to get them to try harder. In the end it has to come down to them wanting to, if they don't want to nothing with change that. Or you could bench them. In theory that is great, but who replaces them? Younger guys who probably aren't ready mentally or physically. If you throw the young guys in to soon you risk injury and messing up their confidence. Plus you burn potential red shirts.
Hopefully in the future this will never be a big issue. We should have the depth and whole team of guys who are busting their asses. If there is a guy who isn't, you bench him and have the luxury of having 2 or 3 deep to replace him. I just don't think Frost as the option to do that yet.
There are only 4 RS Seniors in the three deep.. Davis, Davis, Davis and Barry. Barry was arguably the best defender on the team a year ago. There is depth at DT.. So not sure that one can really make the argument that Riley guys are the problem on the defense. The rest of the guys have now had Frost and company for as long as they had Riley. As I have said for months now , this is an excuse that really does not hold water! I do have to question continuing to send Alex Davis out there when his numbers are so poor! However since I have been told it is not coaching on the D side of the ball what do I know!
Tall task to beat Iowa but if they come out and show they can run effectively again against Maryland, they have a shot. Ending up 5-7 will make that Purdue pants pissing even more infuriating in hindsight. Just call some boring run plays with your big back inside the 3 yard line and you win that game going away. I hope Scott lets that lesson burn in his brain for a long time.
With how young, thin, and mentally weak this team is in combination with inexperience and foolish stubbornness of the staff at times, Moos ends up looking like a prophet. Getting to a bowl game is a step forward.
Then they need to go out and sign another big, talented class.
With how young, thin, and mentally weak this team is in combination with inexperience and foolish stubbornness of the staff at times, Moos ends up looking like a prophet. Getting to a bowl game is a step forward.
Then they need to go out and sign another big, talented class.
Here is where I struggle with all of this. How do you know you don't have the talent if the coaching is not there? It is easy to say, we just need better players but then, some coaches can make players better.
Personally, I can't say with confidence that what I am seeing on the field, execution and state wise reflects completely the ability of the athletes. If it does, then we have nearly an entire team that was not evaluated well.
Again, I think Chin probably needs to go sooner than later. When looking at the starter only 2 are Frost guys. Looking at the 2 deep Almost all are RS fresh or Fresh or soph. Frost guys are there beating out MR guys for the two deep, I just don't think they are ready to take on bigger roles.
I know you said many of MR recruits had as much time with Frost as they did with Riley. I get that side of it as well. Each coach or coaches has a certain type of player they are going after. MR and staff seemed to care more about the ranking and stars vs what Frost finds important, the character, heart, and passion. I think that is why we saw so many of MR top recruits take off. They cared more about themselves and didn't want to earn or work for anything. Now Im not saying all of MR or Frost guys fit "their type of player" in general. The different personalities of MR players vs Frost players could be some of the issues as to why they just aren't buying into Frosts mentality.
all of this is possible but not likely. First, I have heard players say the "lack of work" theory under Riley was highly exaggerated. I have no way of knowing. Let's say it was for a minute - then one has to assume it is wide spread which I do not think is the case. Athletes in general have a desire to succeed. They are not strangers to hard work as this has been their passion for many years. I think it is too easy to just make blanket statements as to the competitiveness and "want to" of a group of players.
I do think, this group of coaches would bench a kid if they truly thought they were just going through the motions and not giving great effort. It is out there on film for everyone to see. So a motivated kid with less talent and experience can probably do as much as a more talented one with less drive. Again, the fall back is we have less talented kids behind the more talented but less motivated - is that REALLY true? If coaches don't make that call, then it is all on them. Ultimately, it is anyway. Their jobs are on the line with all of this, like it or not.
They will all be millionaires either way. Not to go off on a side tangent but what motivation is there for coaches now days to succeed? They are competitive, yeah ok that is some of it. With these massive pay days and get paid no matter what good or bad. What motivates them to do good or make changes or whatever? They know if things don't work out they get paid. I am in no way saying Frost isn't motivated to succeed. I know he wants to turn this around 1st and money is 2nd. I am just saying in general for all coaches. There really needs to be a structure in place to motivate. Similar to us working a job. If you knew when you started a job that they had to pay you $80,000 per year for 7 years no matter what, even if you get fired. How much motivation do you have to go above and beyond?
This isn’t 2018 and Nebraska is not nearly as good a team Nov 2019 as they were in Nov 2018. You know down deep what’s gonna happen on the 29th. You won’t get 500 yds against the Bullies of The B1G.
Funny, a bunch of you spouted the same song and dance last year. Nothing but talk all year long and then dropped an egg on game day. You were neither scary nor particularly impressive. What's changed in a year? You look exactly the same. You were 7-4 this time last year and 7-3 this year. I expect pretty much the same from both teams.
The talent excuse has been exposed several times. We have a team full of solid 3 star players with a few 4 stars mixed in. None of the “we need talent” people can dispute this. Yet nearly every other program that has the same roster beats Nebraska head to head. Conclusion - we need a roster of 4 star talent to compete with Iowa, Minnesota and Purdue in our conference and powerhouses like Colorado outside the conference.
As a coach within reason you do whatever you have to to get your players to play the way you expect them to play. That's the job description of what a coach is. So if you have to get on them over and over to learn the fundamentals, to know the playbook, and to play with the right effort level, that's exactly what should be done.