I don't care whether you love Riley or hate him. But comparing a team's bowl bids before the 1970s, when bowl games started multiplying like bunnies, with the modern era doesn't make any sense. A lot of very good coaches in the 40s, 50s and 60s rarely went to bowls.
These programs canning coaches after 2 seasons are doing it wrong
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This post may not have anyone directly saying fire frost but you can not deny that it is constantly being insinuated, or directly stated way too many times... as far as expecting to see progress, yes I will agree with that... I’d love to see progress and I am at a loss to as why we haven’t seen much, other then again it goes back to psychological issues... I will apologize for jumping down your throat a little prematurely since you seem, after your explanation, to be a little more reasonable then a lot of others on here... it’s just like I said I’m so tired of seeing it either insinuated or directly stated that he needs to be canned
Is this post for the anit Prothro crowd? I am not familiar with them.
I would compare your post to someone that was bashing Pelini for not winning enough games by comparing his record to Osborne. Clearly Osborne was a better coach, but that doesn't mean Pelini didn't have some accomplishments at Nebraska.
Just stop.
I am.not in the Fire Frost crowd but you and other sounding the warning sings is dumb. If admin doesn't see progress in year two and they want a start in finding the next "right guy" then more power to them. You imply that there will only be disastrous results but that is not always true. People lauded Frost and his staff for their recruiting efforts out of the gate and we're giddy over the great second half of the season improvement. Now reality sits in and the boo birds come out with no guarantee this staff will turn it around but in your mind they always will.
I worked in education where you needed to make a decision on keeping someone by year three but you knew in year one and two what you had.
right but not everyone goes out and fires a guy mid season (or a little over mid season). You lose current recruits and so on like that. Especially early enrollees. Sorry, but in my opinion it’s not wise to fire a Head coach midway through the second season. You should always see how year three goes first. And this absolutely has nothing to do with Scott Frost and what I think our husker should do. Just my opinion on firing HCs during mid 2nd season.
True about the 30s and 40s......but we are talking about Oregon State, not everyone in general. They are on their 17th coach in their history. 6 of of the 17 have been over .500 (one of whom was only there for 2 seasons.....and he was 8-7-1 in 16 games).
Like I said.....Riley's bowl-team average record at OSU was 8-4. Still winning games when going to their bowls....at a school that is .470 all time. He was the coach for 4 of their 7 all-time 9-win seasons. Must have done something right.
Mike Riley when he was younger was a better to decent Head Coach (I’m in no way saying he’s an elite Head Coach, just a decent one then). He has just lost it the several years. Now I do wonder how he’d done if we had a pro style offense ran here before he got here and had better talent lined up for him? But instead, he was needing to do a rebuild himself and taking an option read offense and turning it into a pro style offense. And then tried to turn a 4-3 defense into a 3-4 defense. He had his work cut out for him to while he was here but I honestly feel he wasn’t ready for that type of gig. He needed to go to a team that already had everything in place for him and all he needed to do is install his systems.
Except I didn't say Riley didn't accomplish anything at Oregon State. I said it's misleading to go back to 1939 when comparing a coach's bowl record with coaches from previous eras. There's a case to be made for Riley being a pretty good coach at Oregon State, but that meaningless factoid doesn't make that case.
*Edited because I typed Oregon, not Oregon State. My deepest apologies to anyone who was confused.
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another big negative of turnover in 2 years is bad relationship development with high schools. One coach will have ties to various schools in various states and another coach will have ties to their states.
The longer staff is in place the stronger those high school relationships become. For Nebraska purposes, it's the 500 mile radius and where the assistants have ties too. The more time we spend recruiting in Iowa, Colorado and Oklahoma, the more recruits we will get from those states in the future. The same with Florida and Georgia. We are trying to establish some things in Alabama and got a damn good safety out of it and now an incoming QB. If we can get at least one stud out of Alabama year it will pay off in the coming years.
The longer staff is in place the stronger those high school relationships become. For Nebraska purposes, it's the 500 mile radius and where the assistants have ties too. The more time we spend recruiting in Iowa, Colorado and Oklahoma, the more recruits we will get from those states in the future. The same with Florida and Georgia. We are trying to establish some things in Alabama and got a damn good safety out of it and now an incoming QB. If we can get at least one stud out of Alabama year it will pay off in the coming years.
What's with the same threads all the time? I get that you support Frost. You are just hyperventilating over this. Frost will get a minimum of 5 years no matter what anyone on this board says.
Other than that, they can discuss his performance all they want. This is a message board. It's where people come to discuss these things. Not sure why it bothers you.
Your post was nothing but a slap at Riley's accomplishments at Oregon State (not Oregon). The poster you replied to said that Riley took Oregon State to significantly more bowls than the other coaches that had coached the program. That is it. Look at winning records, look at whatever stats you want, but Riley was a successful coach when comparing him to the other coaches in Oregon St history.
People spew **** all over Fitz at Northwestern because of what he has accomplished in his career. No one says well Dennis Green accomplished more or Randy Walker or Barnett were better than Fitz.
I definitely get your point my man, and you’re right, people have a right to discuss there stuff on this message board...at the same time, the same goes for the OP. He’s doing the same thing they are. He’s just taking a positive approach and showing he’s backing Frost instead of second guessing everything and talking about firing people. It’s definitely a two way door.
Aww, I feel you. Maybe I missed that part, maybe it’s because I agree with the man. But I don’t necessarily think their idiots. Just disagree with them.
I didn’t see how going back to Pelini years was relevant. None of our players were around and contributing then and we have been through two rough coaching transitions since. You include whatever you feel like.
Basically they're admitting that they made a mistake and cutting their losses. In the case of FSU, we knew that was a mistake before the ink was even dry on the contract. So really nothing to be gained by keeping him longer (except maybe saving some money). Why prolong the agony?
All I did was refute the significance of Riley's bowl record vs. coaches from previous eras, and I used Prothro's record to make that point very clearly. If you want to whine about my post being some kind of sweeping indictment of Mike Riley - that's your problem, not mine.
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Read his post.
You are going out of your way to lessen the success Riley had at Oregon State.
How about this. From the time Oregon State entered the Pac 8, 10, 12, in 1968 until 1997, 30 seasons, Oregon State had 3 seasons at or above .500. Riley had 8 such seasons in his 14 years. You are trying to hard to make a case that he wasn't good at Oregon St. Especially when compared to those that came before him.
Mike Riley won 19 games in his 3 years with that lazy recruiting Bo Pelinis players.
We are on pace for 8 or 9 wins in 2 years. Going to have to be a big year 3 to even match what many consider the worst coach in almost 60 years. I would hate to think we are actually going to be worse in the 3 years following Riley than we were with him.
We are on pace for 8 or 9 wins in 2 years. Going to have to be a big year 3 to even match what many consider the worst coach in almost 60 years. I would hate to think we are actually going to be worse in the 3 years following Riley than we were with him.
right, that’s the same thing Iowa does except they find away to lose those Bowl games lol.
I did read his post, and made it perfectly clear which part of the post I was responding to. If you want spend the next 72 or so hours telling me what I really meant vs. what I actually posted - be my guest. I prefer to respond to what people actually post rather than offer my ever-so-gripping interpretation of their words.
I have no idea WTF that is supposed to mean. I made a very specific and factual response to a very specific post, and the person I responded to took it for what it was worth, made his follow-up points clearly and respectfully, and we left it at that. It may come as a shock to you, but your expert interpretation of what I was really saying holds no interest to me whatsoever. Go ahead and have the final word, or the final 5,000. I’ll put Pulitzer on high alert.
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As many have mentioned I really don't think the majority of true husker fans are giving up on Frost. I think many realize he is a good coach and our best option at this point. However, as old and tiring as it gets hearing people blame Frost for everything it also gets old hearing people place everything on the players. I get that player mentality is bad
Is Nebraska the only program in the country who has went through a coaching change and the previous players don't buy in? Isn't that the job of coaches, to motivate and get them mentally ready to play. Year 1 I can understand, but year 2? Either Frost and co aren't doing something right in that area or we have some of most mental head cases in the whole country as players.
Because you were using the previous 5 seasons records for one coach but not the other.
By any measure, Fleck's job is a more difficult task than Nebraska.
History, winning culture in the last 40 years, facilities (yes, I know they have a new stadium).
What does 40 years ago have to do with it. When Minnesota was more successful and had more stability recently. Yes the picture gets rosier the further back we go, but that is t the current reality.
compared to your 0-0 in the NFL
0-0 in college and
0-0 in the CFL, it looks pretty freaking good.
Mike Riley, Bo Pelini, Tim Beck hell even Mike Cavanaugh have forgotten more football than you will ever know. But they suck and you are the judge.
I was visiting the Florida State message board to see what their latest is in their coaching search. This week they are starting the vetting process with the following coaches:
PJ Fleck, Mark Stoops, Scott Satterfield, Matt Campbell, Mike Norvell and the coordinators at Clemson.
Yeah, this isn't going to go the way that Florida State fans were hoping for. When Jimbo left they should have spent more time finding the right guy instead of rushing to making a replacement because of the early signing period.
Watch Florida State hire Mark Stoops. Rinse and repeat a coaching search again for them in a few years, if not sooner.
PJ Fleck, Mark Stoops, Scott Satterfield, Matt Campbell, Mike Norvell and the coordinators at Clemson.
Yeah, this isn't going to go the way that Florida State fans were hoping for. When Jimbo left they should have spent more time finding the right guy instead of rushing to making a replacement because of the early signing period.
Watch Florida State hire Mark Stoops. Rinse and repeat a coaching search again for them in a few years, if not sooner.