These programs canning coaches after 2 seasons are doing it wrong

[uberism1111]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

You probably didn’t want mike Riley fired huh

 

[huskerbaseball13]

You probably didn’t want mike Riley fired huh

He did. So I guess after 3 years it’s okay. And he also wants Chinander fired.

 

[phoenix4nu]

He did. So I guess after 3 years it’s okay. And he also wants Chinander fired.

I'm starting wonder if the OP is Frost's agent or a relative.

 

[schuele]

I think it would crazy for fire Frost after this season. I also think that given how these two seasons have gone, it would be insane to extend him to 10 years. Yet the same guy wagging his finger daily at anyone who (gasp!) questions anything Frost does thinks an extension would be a great idea.

So, there's idiocy on both ends.

 

[huskerssalts]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

And that there will be the biggest difference. The Huskers and Vols in a few years will be playing some legit College football while those teams are still wondering why they are still struggling. They are going to lose recruits and maybe get transfers happening. Then those teams won’t have much for talent left and even if Saban, Urban Meyer or Pete Carrol came in, they wouldn’t be able to save them.

 

[redwine65]

the fire frost crowd on here are k-state, missery, colorado, ut, iowa and ohio state fans. NU fans with a brain know frost is in it for the long haul and we won't be changing systems every 2 years, flip flopping oc's or dc's that got us in this mess.

 

[jedimasterjed]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

You probably didn’t want mike Riley fired huh

Riley has 30 years of proof he was a ****** coach. It's hard to win when players are not required to workout.

 

[uberism1111]

You probably didn’t want mike Riley fired huh

Riley had no business being hired. Sometimes people in leadership do incompetent things and you have to fix it asap. That is why an AD should not do it alone like Eichorst did with Riley.

When you have boosters, school leadership, etc, all on-board with the hire, then let the guy do his job and give him time. Some schools, like Eichorst did, just to hire someone to have someone hired by x date is what leads to failure of a program.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Riley had no business being hired. Sometimes people in leadership do incompetent things and you have to fix it asap. That is why an AD should not do it alone like Eichorst did with Riley.

When you have boosters, school leadership, etc, all on-board with the hire, then let the guy do his job and give him time. Some schools, like Eichorst did, just to hire someone to have someone hired by x date is what leads to failure of a program.

Hiring Chad Morris looks pretty incompetent right now. Interesting that you are not willing to give Chinander “time” though. But hey...you are the expert.

 

[Sodakred]

I'm starting wonder if the OP is Frost's agent or a relative.

Frost was quoted this week that all he was hearing was positive feedback. Maybe OP and Frost are hearing from the same sources.

If we haven’t learned anything else for the last seventeen years, we have learned life goes on pretty well even with mediocre to horrible Husker teams. Even the players seem very calm. As Stille and Ruud noted, emotion isn’t that important.

 

[Harry Caray]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

Nah, it depends who they hire as the replacement. Should Ohio State have given Luke Fickell a chance instead of hiring Urban Meyer? Should Alabama have give Shula more time instead of hiring Saban? Should Florida have given McElwain more time instead of hiring Dan Mullen? Should Michigan have given Hoke more time instead of hiring Harbaugh?

If you can get a much better, more proven coach, you do it. If they end up making another mediocre hire, then I agree with you.

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

Riley has 30 years of proof he was a ****** coach. It's hard to win when players are not required to workout.

I don’t wanna say Atodaso, but I f$&&in atodaso

 

[blackshirts25_rivals]

I agree. If the fans aren’t seeing results after, or even during the first two years, time to get out the torch. #firefirst #askquestionslater

 

[BeautifulDayintheNeighborhood]

I agree. If the fans aren’t seeing results after, or even during the first year, time to get out the torch. #firefirst #askquestionslater

Anarchist

 

[Ewooc]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

PJ Fleck, anyone that tries to tell me he had/ has it easier than Frost is an Idiot. This is program that has been towards the bottom for decades not just a few year like Nebraska. They recruit in the 60s more often than not. Rebuilding a garbage program can be done in a short amount of time and it doesn't take 5 6 or 7 years. Anyone see Nebraska being 9-0 at this point next year? It is going to take Frost making changes, staying the course and doing the same thing that has failed the last 2 year is not all of the sudden going to magically start working.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

It's the correct thing to do in my opinion, if you have a losing hand, better cut your losses short and move on. It can't get any worse.

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

PJ Fleck, anyone that tries to tell me he had/ has it easier than Frost is an Idiot. This is program that has been towards the bottom for decades not just a few year like Nebraska. They recruit in the 60s more often than not. Rebuilding a garbage program can be done is a short amount of time and it doesn't take 5 6 or 7 years. Anyone see Nebraska being 9-0 at this point next year?

No, Fleck can hire the right assistants. Frost won't make any changes and we will be just as bad or worse next year. We have way more talent than Minnesota.

 

[oldjar07]

the fire frost crowd on here are k-state, missery, colorado, ut, iowa and ohio state fans. NU fans with a brain know frost is in it for the long haul and we won't be changing systems every 2 years, flip flopping oc's or dc's that got us in this mess.

Hiring ****** coaches is what got us in this mess. The point is to hire good coaches so you don't have to replace them. Hiring a bad coach and keeping him on for the sake of continuity is just compounding your original mistake.

 

[Headcard]

PJ Fleck, anyone that tries to tell me he had/ has it easier than Frost is an Idiot. This is program that has been towards the bottom for decades not just a few year like Nebraska. They recruit in the 60s more often than not. Rebuilding a garbage program can be done in a short amount of time and it doesn't take 5 6 or 7 years. Anyone see Nebraska being 9-0 at this point next year? It is going to take Frost making changes, staying the course and doing the same thing that has failed the last 2 year is not all of the sudden going to magically start working.

Fleck has absolutely had it easier than Frost. He inherited a team that had won 8 games in three of the previous four seasons. He also inherited a program that was hard nosed and well run, not to mention multiple NFL caliber receivers. Despite that, he still struggled mightily for 2+ seasons, including an *** kicking by us last year.

He also didn’t have to deal with all the negativity along the way. In the end it doesn’t matter, Frost is tasked with turning this thing around and hasn’t come close to date.

 

[Ewooc]

Fleck has absolutely had it easier than Frost. He inherited a team that had won 8 games in three of the previous four seasons. He also inherited a program that was hard nosed and well run, not to mention multiple NFL caliber receivers. Despite that, he still struggled mightily for 2+ seasons, including an *** kicking by us last year.

He also didn’t have to deal with all the negativity along the way. In the end it doesn’t matter, Frost is tasked with turning this thing around and hasn’t come close to date.

5 years previous Fleck coming. They were

6-7
8-5
8-5
6-7
9-4

5 years prior to Frost

4-8
9-4
6-7
9-4
9-4

That looks pretty damn similar. Plus factor in their recruiting has been horrible and 30 to 40 spots worse than ours.

 

[onechase]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

You are wrong. There has to be some improvement in 2 years. We have no improvement and have gotten worse. Next year does not look good either if Martinez is still our OB and Chin is not fired.

 

[Headcard]

5 years previous Fleck coming. They were

6-7
8-5
8-5
6-7
9-4

5 years prior to Frost

4-8
9-4
6-7
9-4
9-4

That looks pretty damn similar. Plus factor in their recruiting has been horrible and 30 to 40 spots worse than ours.

Why go back 5 years and why list in different orders? The four years preceding Fleck were 9-4, 6-7, 8-5, 8-5. A stable program playing well. Frost inherited 4-8, 9-4, 6-7. And a program that was anything but stable. And like I said, Fleck struggled mightily for 2+ years before feasting on cupcakes and gaining confidence and belief this year.

 

[Ewooc]

Why go back 5 years and why list in different orders? The four years preceding Fleck were 9-4, 6-7, 8-5, 8-5. A stable program playing well. Frost inherited 4-8, 9-4, 6-7. And a program that was anything but stable. And like I said, Fleck struggled mightily for 2+ years before feasting on cupcakes and gaining confidence and belief this year.

I am not denying that mentality is a huge factor in both teams right now. They do not have more talent or even a better coach. They squeaked by some cupcakes early on, games they could have easily lost. They lose one of those and I guarantee things go in a drastically different direction. Similar to us I think we win that CU game and our season looks way different as well. Just saying it isn't like Nebraska has been a losing team for 20+ years and Frost has nothing to working with, at least no worse that what Fleck has to deal with.

 

[uberism1111]

Things were worse than any of you realize.

 

[Fed-Up]

Things were worse than any of you realize.

fill us in then ....you seem to know everything about it , obviously you have someone inside feeding you information....we only know what we can see.

 

[schuele]

Things were worse than any of you realize.

Yeah everybody here is just way, way too soft on Riley. We need a daily, sanctimonious lecture to remind us that Frost took over a program that was in bad shape.

 

[Ewooc]

fill us in then ....you seem to know everything about it , obviously you have someone inside feeding you information....we only know what we can see.

He has no inside info, he is blind homer with no sense of reality. He is relying on hope and nothing more. My guess is he loved MR an thought he would turn it around. Some people are overly negative no matter the situation and some are overly positive. Not saying either is completely right or wrong. The reality where the program is, is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Guys, I think the OP is in favor of giving Frost time.

 

[Ewooc]

Guys, I think the OP is in favor of giving Frost time.

I am too, but I am also able to separate being a fan and reality. This team in not good and should be farther along. To blame this mess on anything and everything but Frost is crazy town.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

the fire frost crowd on here are k-state, missery, colorado, ut, iowa and ohio state fans. NU fans with a brain know frost is in it for the long haul and we won't be changing systems every 2 years, flip flopping oc's or dc's that got us in this mess.

Frost is the only coach in Nebraska history to start 0-2 in his first 2 games against Colorado. Why would Colorado people come on here and want him gone?

 

[Clemke32]

fill us in then ....you seem to know everything about it , obviously you have someone inside feeding you information....we only know what we can see.

I’m really starting to grow a true hatred for a lot of the loud mouth fans screaming for us to fire Frost, I’m also growing a very good understanding of why Bo despised our fan base so much... I serious get the frustration of not winning but all of this “but, but our recruit rankings are better” what ever BS you wanna come up with to fit your agenda, it all gets so old... I shouldn’t have to sit here and point out the obvious of how far our program has fallen, the whole we have better recruits than Minnesota, sure maybe on paper that’s true, but the games are not played on paper, watching that game I seen the Minnesota kids driving through tackles I seen them playing to the whistle and I never seen them lay down...
Nebraska has/ had some chronic issues and a lot of it is in the mental department with our upper class man.... I’m not here to pump sunshine and rainbows all over coach Frost... but I’m also not going to give up on him after he is only two years from unanimously being named coach of the year... by his peers... Frost is a legit coach, and yes he still has room to grow... but he will get there as long as we give him the time to get there... man what a bunch of babies we have in our fan base...

 

[Fed-Up]

I’m really starting to grow a true hatred for a lot of the loud mouth fans screaming for us to fire Frost, I’m also growing a very good understanding of why Bo despised our fan base so much... I serious get the frustration of not winning but all of this “but, but our recruit rankings are better” what ever BS you wanna come up with to fit your agenda, it all gets so old... I shouldn’t have to sit here and point out the obvious of how far our program has fallen, the whole we have better recruits than Minnesota, sure maybe on paper that’s true, but the games are not played on paper, watching that game I seen the Minnesota kids driving through tackles I seen them playing to the whistle and I never seen them lay down...
Nebraska has/ had some chronic issues and a lot of it is in the mental department with our upper class man.... I’m not here to pump sunshine and rainbows all over coach Frost... but I’m also not going to give up on him after he is only two years from unanimously being named coach of the year... by his peers... Frost is a legit coach, and yes he still has room to grow... but he will get there as long as we give him the time to get there... man what a bunch of babies we have in our fan base...

who mentioned anything about "fire Frost"? There is not one post on this thread that mentions anything even remotely like that.

My reply to the uber driver was sarcasm. He obviously thinks he knows everything about this....and I want him to enlighten us with his source of information.

The only real problem I have is ....there should be some noticeable progress instead of the same mistakes... same sloppy penalties....same undisciplined play....and we seem to have gotten worse at all of those.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

Riley has 30 years of proof he was a ****** coach. It's hard to win when players are not required to workout.

Mike Riley was a bad fit for Nebraska, and was rightfully fired. However, Oregon State had been to 9 bowls between 1939 and and 2002. He took them to 8 bowls in his 14 years...at a school that doesn't win. Yeah....there are more bowls now, but his average bowl team record was 8-4 at Oregon State (OSU all-time win % of .470). He must have done something right.

I also don't buy for a minute that his players didn't have to lift.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

Why go back 5 years and why list in different orders? The four years preceding Fleck were 9-4, 6-7, 8-5, 8-5. A stable program playing well. Frost inherited 4-8, 9-4, 6-7. And a program that was anything but stable. And like I said, Fleck struggled mightily for 2+ years before feasting on cupcakes and gaining confidence and belief this year.

Don't forget the other two 9-4 seasons Nebraska had in that 5 year period.

Also...let's not forget that, in the 5 years prior to the 0-12, UCF was 9-4, 12-1, 10-4, 5-7, and 11-3. People talk about Frost working miracles at UCF, like they were the Northwestern Wildcats of the early 1980s. They weren't.

 

[CatColumbia]

You can't build your own culture and team in 2 seasons, especially when the 2 seasons are not even finished.

All they are doing is harming things in the long-term. They will lose recruits, replacements will not be as good in most cases, players will leave, new systems again, new culture foundations again, and if the new coaches don't succeed in 3 years they will be canned again too.

Sure there have been successful transitions like OU and OSU, but those things were humming at the national level.

On top of firing a coach before 2 seasons is complete for Arkansas, they stopped paying the former coach.

If you want to build a winner, you have to let the head coach build their own program and that can take years in most cases.

Instead of making bad hires and then firing a coach in 2 years, be smart and hire the guy you believe in for the long-haul and let that guy build their program for several years and see how it goes.

Instant gratification thought process only harms the health of a football program.

FSU and Arkansas are not likely to make big name hires and they will be around again in 2 or 3 years for another coach.

TN is being smart and letting their coach build up from the bottom. Nebraska is being smart and letting Frost rebuild the program from the soil up and even invested over 100 million dollars in new faculties that will be completed by 2022.

We fired Riley after two years lol. You implying that we should have kept him longer?

 

[phoenix4nu]

We fired Riley after two years lol. You implying that we should have kept him longer?

Three years.

 

[schuele]

Mike Riley was a bad fit for Nebraska, and was rightfully fired. However, Oregon State had been to 9 bowls between 1939 and and 2002. He took them to 8 bowls in his 14 years...at a school that doesn't win. Yeah....there are more bowls now, but his average bowl team record was 8-4 at Oregon State (OSU all-time win % of .470). He must have done something right.

I know this is your favorite stat to post, but Tommy Prothro took Oregon State to 3 bowls in 10 years, including 2 Rose Bowls, and this was when teams actually had to be really good to make a bowl game. He had 4 other winning seasons that certainly would have resulted in bowl games in today's environment and had only one season that was below .500.

 

[CatColumbia]

Three years.

That’s true, I forget that first year when he went 6-7.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

I know this is your favorite stat to post, but Tommy Prothro took Oregon State to 3 bowls in 10 years, including 2 Rose Bowls, and this was when teams actually had to be good to make a bowl game. He had 4 other winning seasons that certainly would have resulted in bowl games in today's environment and had only one season that was below .500.

Yeah...I saw that as well. The 9 bowls between 1939 and 2002 would include those 3. My point still stands. What Prothro did doesn't negate what Riley did. Nor did I claim that Riley was the winningest coach there. I implied that he generally succeeded at a school that generally loses.

Again.....the average record of Riley's bowl teams was 8-4....at Oregon State.

I also admitted that he should have been fired. It's like I don't hate him enough for some people.....