Nebraska / Illinois

Sodakred

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Free throw shooting by Illini is NU’s best player. Grade school teams are better. But it kept score close.
 
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ZaneHickey

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Dec 3, 2004
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Mikes has lost the team. Players play a hand in this as well but its true regardless.
Yeah, a college bball player shouldn't need to be told to not take every head fake, to not swing the arm down on every block attempt, to be sure to block out to get rebounds, especially in crunch time of game/season...truly hard to watch such poor fundamentals over, and over, and over and over...
 

Baxter48_rivals204143

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Sep 22, 2010
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Im not a miles hater more didn't really care, I just want Nebraska to be successful, same with the football team with Riley, bo, and Callahan. I supported the team and coaches, but when you put out a lousy product then it's time to find someone new.
 

nudan92

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Nov 24, 2008
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Palmer with a bunch of 20 pt games where he was awful.

This one especially...seems to be just going through the motions right now. At one point he was 2-7 at the free throw line. That's just not caring.
 

undigestedcorn

Sophomore
Sep 14, 2014
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Post game the Illinois players are complaining about how horrible they were at the free throw line after a win. The desire for perfection and getting better was somehow absent this season from the opposing team.
 

bigboxes

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Fire Miles
 

Ewooc

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Nov 29, 2010
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It’s only going to get worse. Sit back, pop some popcorn and watch the flames grow...
Agree, at this point there is no chance Miles is the coach next year. The flames are an inextinguishable inferno at this point. There is obviously an issue if it happens to stem from Miles it may not hurt to get rid of him now. Maybe this team can finish the year strong at least.
 

Ki113rSk3r69

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Jan 9, 2006
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Agree, at this point there is no chance Miles is the coach next year. The flames are an inextinguishable inferno at this point. There is obviously an issue if it happens to stem from Miles it may not hurt to get rid of him now. Maybe this team can finish the year strong at least.

Agree with Miles not being the coach next year. There could be a melding period with this team in which they learn each other and start to gel going forward. The most wins I see are 2-3 rest of year including 1win in B10 championship.
 
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Whoever the next coach at Nebraska is, that person is going to have a hell of a rebuild. What a disaster.

Pay whatever it takes to get Kelvin Sampson so we can have a watchable product. Won't be in year one or two but by year 3 he'd have this program in good shape.
 

cecilB

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Nov 1, 2001
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Miles was successful at CSU and the one or two years at Nebraska because he had an assistant coach who was really a better coach than he was. When Smith left Miles was exposed.
Honestly, he’s been in the top tier of successful coaches at Nebraska....we’re like Rutgers of football on the hardcourt.

But, it’s time. Too much tv money, city of lincoln built the PBA, too many players out there
 

mgbreeze

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Dec 16, 2004
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I'm all for Moos canning Miles right now. Maybe Lewis could ignite something, win a few games and get into the tourney. And then you still get to hire a new coach. Not to mention that ending the season with ANY positivity might keep a few of the players with potential on the roster. Or... we can just sit here and watch them lose out?
 

cubsker_rivals142943

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May 29, 2003
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I agree, I would try someone else. Still time to go on a run although that seems quite unlikely. Watson back to missing every shot, palmer cant make anything other than a layup, dunk, or open 3. Allen missing wide open looks, and roby is just an ok, not great player.
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
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Miles was successful at CSU and the one or two years at Nebraska because he had an assistant coach who was really a better coach than he was. When Smith left Miles was exposed.
Gates has been an assistant under some really good coaches. Lewis played for and was a grad assistant for Bobby Knight. Likewise he has been an assistant for some good coaches. Molinari has had some success as a head and assistant coach. I'm not sure that Smith had anything more than good timing on when he left.
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
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A legit big? You mean a true freshman that was ranked in the 350's and averaged about 8 points a game in HS?
Watch him play. He moved Roby and Borchardt where he wanted when he wanted. He out muscled them for position on rebounds, made his free throws and played good D. What more does it take to be a legit big man. He's certainly more legit than any center we have on the roster.
 

JohnRossEwing

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Watch him play. He moved Roby and Borchardt where he wanted when he wanted. He out muscled them for position on rebounds, made his free throws and played good D. What more does it take to be a legit big man. He's certainly more legit than any center we have on the roster.
No no, I get what you are saying...but he wasn't a "legit big" 12 months ago...I think he best offer was Hofstra...my point is that the Illini found him and made him into what he is...where do you think he would be if Miles had offered him? My guess...hardly playing at all.
 

dinglefritz

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No no, I get what you are saying...but he wasn't a "legit big" 12 months ago...I think he best offer was Hofstra...my point is that the Illini found him and made him into what he is...where do you think he would be if Miles had offered him? My guess...hardly playing at all.
With his size, Miles would be playing him. For heaven's sake Borchardt is starting. Hindsight, Jordy leaving hurt. As much drama as he caused, his leaving still hurt us.
 

JohnRossEwing

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With his size, Miles would be playing him. For heaven's sake Borchardt is starting.
Tanner is 1 inch shorter and 15 pounds heavier...soooooo...and they are both white...and the Illini guy is from an impoverished eastern bloc country and just got to the US about 20 months ago
 

dinglefritz

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Tanner is 1 inch shorter and 15 pounds heavier...soooooo
Watching them side by side, I don't believe those numbers. I can believe the inch of height maybe but not the weight. In any case, Borchardt doesn't have the wing span or jumping ability that kid had.
 

JohnRossEwing

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Watching them side by side, I don't believe those numbers. I can believe the inch of height maybe but not the weight. In any case, Borchardt doesn't have the wing span or jumping ability that kid had.
I don't know about the wingspan...or jumping...but I think Tanners stats were better today, weren't they?
 

dinglefritz

Heisman
Jan 14, 2011
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I don't know about the wingspan...or jumping...but I think Tanners stats were better today, weren't they?
Don't know. He's a senior. He should have some advantage over a freshman. I didn't see him make any free throws but maybe he did. He plays hard, gets some put backs and did a better job of rebounding than he's done before. He still can't shoot. I still wouldn't call Borchardt a legit B1G big man but I see your point. 12 points and 18 rebounds. I don't know how many minutes he played but it was a lot.
 

cubsker_rivals142943

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Don't know. He's a senior. He should have some advantage over a freshman. I didn't see him make any free throws but maybe he did. He plays hard, gets some put backs and did a better job of rebounding than he's done before. He still can't shoot. I still wouldn't call Borchardt a legit B1G big man but I see your point. 12 points and 18 rebounds. I don't know how many minutes he played but it was a lot.

He played well. Had a couple of nice finishes when someone drove and passed it to him, plays Jordy would not have made.
 

Ewooc

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Miles was successful at CSU and the one or two years at Nebraska because he had an assistant coach who was really a better coach than he was. When Smith left Miles was exposed.
Was he really though? I see some point to Miles past and say he had some success . That is why some thought he could do well here.
At CU st he was 71- 88 overall. Never finishing better than 4th in his conf. He has never been out of the first round of any tourney his teams have been in. I guess if you count D2 he made it to elite 8. Through most of his coaching career he has been a slightly above .500 coach with no real accomplishments of any kind. I don't think there is a D1 school in the country who would still have him as their coach after 7 years of this. My guess is after he is done here he will probably go back to the D2 level, maybe high school even.
 

dinglefritz

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Was he really though? I see some point to Miles past and say he had some success . That is why some thought he could do well here.
At CU st he was 71- 88 overall. Never finishing better than 4th in his conf. He has never been out of the first round of any tourney his teams have been in. I guess if you count D2 he made it to elite 8. Through most of his coaching career he has been a slightly above .500 coach with no real accomplishments of any kind. I don't think there is a D1 school in the country who would still have him as their coach after 7 years of this. My guess is after he is done here he will probably go back to the D2 level, maybe high school even.
He took over a cellar dwelling program and took them to the tourney at CSU. He did that at all of his stops. His first year or two at CSU was terrible thus the losing record overall. Just like here, he built a tourney team with transfers. He didn't stay long enough at CSU for us to know if he could sustain that there. His resume really was pretty darned good when we hired him. Making the schools that he coached at winners was a pretty amazing accomplishment. Having said that, was it his doing alone or did he have a lot of help from his assistants in getting that done and now he's not getting that help. It's why I'm not in favor of retaining Lewis if Miles is canned.
 
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JohnRossEwing

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Was he really though? I see some point to Miles past and say he had some success . That is why some thought he could do well here.
At CU st he was 71- 88 overall. Never finishing better than 4th in his conf. He has never been out of the first round of any tourney his teams have been in. I guess if you count D2 he made it to elite 8. Through most of his coaching career he has been a slightly above .500 coach with no real accomplishments of any kind. I don't think there is a D1 school in the country who would still have him as their coach after 7 years of this. My guess is after he is done here he will probably go back to the D2 level, maybe high school even.

I am still shocked that more people don't see/agree with this. Dude beat 2 P5 schools at CSU...Literally no one was mentioning his name as some sweet up and comer.

I bet you (if the money was the same) he would have stayed at CSU instead of coming to NU.
 
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dinglefritz

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I am still shocked that more people don't see/agree with this. Dude beat 2 P5 schools at CSU...Literally no one was mentioning his name as some sweet up and comer.

I bet you (if the money was the same) he would have stayed at CSU instead of coming to NU.
He took over a cellar dwelling Mountain Westesque conference team who was scheduling accordingly. How many power 5 teams was he supposed to beat at CSU? I still say his resume looked very good and looked like what we needed. He proved that at least in the short term he could build a program in to a winner with his own recruits. He did in fact do that there and here. The issue appears to be winning consistently and taking his team to the next level.
 

JohnRossEwing

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He took over a cellar dwelling Mountain Westesque conference team who was scheduling accordingly. How many power 5 teams was he supposed to beat at CSU? I still say his resume looked very good and looked like what we needed. He proved that at least in the short term he could build a program in to a winner with his own recruits. He did in fact do that there and here. The issue appears to be winning consistently and taking his team to the next level.

How many? More than 2 :)