Frost comment on 85 schollies

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

HCSF said at the presser that after this recruiting cycle NU will probably not be at the 85 limit. If there will be 56 returning scholarship players including walkons awarded schollies,can't he get to 86 by signing 30 and counting 5 of the early enrollees to last years number? Or does the departure of Gebbia, Bell and one other (I can't remember who it was) mean those three ships plus the walkons earning one in fall camp make it so there isn't room to count ships from 2019 to last year (2018)? Or, does it mean Frost doesn't think there will be 30 quality athletes available?

I wasn't quite sure what he was getting at there.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

He's probably expecting more attrition. Not only that, but I think we can only sign 28 as the B1G only lets you over sign by 3 (25+3). So even if we signed 28 and didn't have any more attrition, we'd still only be at 84.

 

[CatColumbia]

He's probably expecting more attrition. Not only that, but I think we can only sign 28 as the B1G only lets you over sign by 3 (25+3). So even if we signed 28 and didn't have any more attrition, we'd still only be at 84.

And doesn’t the SEC allow more than +3?

 

[inWV]

Per Rivals, Michigan has had more than 28 in a class (see 2017 and 2016).

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

HCSF said at the presser that after this recruiting cycle NU will probably not be at the 85 limit. If there will be 56 returning scholarship players including walkons awarded schollies,can't he get to 86 by signing 30 and counting 5 of the early enrollees to last years number? Or does the departure of Gebbia, Bell and one other (I can't remember who it was) mean those three ships plus the walkons earning one in fall camp make it so there isn't room to count ships from 2019 to last year (2018)? Or, does it mean Frost doesn't think there will be 30 quality athletes available?

I wasn't quite sure what he was getting at there.

I think NU could count more than 5 back to last year's class. I don't remember what the number is, but I know it was more than 5.

Edit: Just found it. NU can count back as many as 13 to last year.

 

[EatsBugs]

And might not want to unevenly overload one class.

 

[Trumplestiltskin]

And might not want to unevenly overload one class.

Isn't that the purpose of so many JUCO offers...besides some immediate help?

 

[bmb81664]

I don't think an early enrollee can be counted for the previous class unless they are a juco. I think we have one juco committed at this time. Not sure if he is an early enrollee or not. So we can sign 25 + 3 + early juco's.

 

[Huskerwisdom]

I don't think an early enrollee can be counted for the previous class unless they are a juco. I think we have one juco committed at this time. Not sure if he is an early enrollee or not. So we can sign 25 + 3 + early juco's.

that sounds about right to me. I like the idea of a few JUCO's in the class and a couple of deserving, 2-deep, rotation guys who were walk-ons getting a scholie as well.

Depends on how far along some of the youngsters are though, and how much attrition we get (related subjects, though).

 

[timnsun]

I don't think an early enrollee can be counted for the previous class unless they are a juco. I think we have one juco committed at this time. Not sure if he is an early enrollee or not. So we can sign 25 + 3 + early juco's.

I’m thought the +3 requirement was for any recruit, not just early enrollee jucos.

Can someone confirm this?

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I am pretty sure with the new recruiting rules that went into effect, that you are limited to what you can count back to the previous class. Also, you have to count players that didn't qualify as part of the class and the numbers. They are really trying to limit the number of players signed in the class at 25 plus 3. Even in the SEC.

 

[MOHUSKER]

I am pretty sure with the new recruiting rules that went into effect, that you are limited to what you can count back to the previous class. Also, you have to count players that didn't qualify as part of the class and the numbers. They are really trying to limit the number of players signed in the class at 25 plus 3. Even in the SEC.

Correct, the new rules do make it tougher on us.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Correct, the new rules do make it tougher on us.

Here is an article I found that outlines the changes.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_f03e6112-0a8c-11e8-9dd4-2b23fb9d9fbe.html

 

[cornhustler]

Frost said around the 10:30 mark on the 85 man limit. "... in fact I don't know if we can get real close to it." That stood out to me. What is real close? 2-3 or 5? ¡muy interesante!

 

[timnsun]

Here is an article I found that outlines the changes.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_f03e6112-0a8c-11e8-9dd4-2b23fb9d9fbe.html

Thanks for this...

 

[timnsun]

Correct, the new rules do make it tougher on us.

Sounds like, from Tuco’s article, it makes it tougher on everyone, which may make it easier on us in the end... maybe? I don’t know...

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Frost said around the 10:30 mark on the 85 man limit. "... in fact I don't know if we can get real close to it." That stood out to me. What is real close? 2-3 or 5? ¡muy interesante!

As of now, if we can get to 28 in the class, we would have 87 players. Depending on how they handle the Mazour and Weinmaster walk on scholarships, It could be 85. without any further attrition. I believe Vaha Vainuku is a junior eligibilty wise, but rumor has him leaving as well after the season. Again add in any further attrition and you can see what Frost is talking about.

 

[Redscarlet]

So how’s this work when Lindsey and Gebbia left, don’t we get these 2 scholarships back in this in coming class?

 

[Front Runner_rivals293715]

He's probably expecting more attrition. Not only that, but I think we can only sign 28 as the B1G only lets you over sign by 3 (25+3). So even if we signed 28 and didn't have any more attrition, we'd still only be at 84.

This to a tee.

 

[Johannes de Silentio]

This to a tee.

Good stuff.

Unrelated, but I was introducing my wife to some classic Husker moments last night (she's not a Nebraskan and never watched any of the glory years). Put on the '96 Fiesta Bowl and chuckled while explaining that #21 posts on the same silly message board on which I spend so much time.

 

[-LVhusker-]

A couple grad transfers wouldn’t upset the balance in classes and might be a better stopgap in spots vs. juco players.

 

[MOHUSKER]

As of now, if we can get to 28 in the class, we would have 87 players. Depending on how they handle the Mazour and Weinmaster walk on scholarships, It could be 85. without any further attrition. I believe Vaha Vainuku is a junior eligibilty wise, but rumor has him leaving as well after the season. Again add in any further attrition and you can see what Frost is talking about.

Do we not have 61 right now? We were at 84, 16 seniors puts at us 68, take Bryant, Barnett off for medical. Bell, Jackson, Roberts, Gebbia and Lindsey for leaving and we are at 61 right? Who am I missing?

 

[otismotis08]

Good stuff.

Unrelated, but I was introducing my wife to some classic Husker moments last night (she's not a Nebraskan and never watched any of the glory years). Put on the '96 Fiesta Bowl and chuckled while explaining that #21 posts on the same silly message board on which I spend so much time.

Huh

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

Sean Callahan is convinced on RSS that NU will take 30 this year. He said it again in the live chat. That's who also said NU can count back up to 13 schollys to last year. Not sure how the math works on that.

 

[kaz36_rivals189319]

Huh

He's referencing Front Runner. I take it you don't know who that is?

 

[-LVhusker-]

Should be Bill Paxton.

I thought with all the oversigning in the SEC the Big limited class sizes to 28.

 

[otismotis08]

He's referencing Front Runner. I take it you don't know who that is?

Got it

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

Do we not have 61 right now? We were at 84, 16 seniors puts at us 68, take Bryant, Barnett off for medical. Bell, Jackson, Roberts, Gebbia and Lindsey for leaving and we are at 61 right? Who am I missing?

Do we not have 61 right now? We were at 84, 16 seniors puts at us 68, take Bryant, Barnett off for medical. Bell, Jackson, Roberts, Gebbia and Lindsey for leaving and we are at 61 right? Who am I missing?

I was looking at it from an available scholarship perspective and not just the 28. I didn't write it very clearly. You can only take 3 more than you have available, and the max is 28.

78 current scholarships, -16 gets you to 62, that leaves you 23 +3 or 26 and gets you to 88. Unless you know for sure a guy isn't coming back you have to count them. If you know a guy isn't returning, you can include those players and let the Big Ten know. That can add to the number. Now if Nebraska isn't sure who, with eligibility available, then you are just SOL, but that is why they give the plus 3.

Now in a perfect scenario and Frost knows everyone who is not coming back, he can include all of those names to the Big Ten which may allow him to get to 28 in the class or 90 in total before attrition.

We have 78 on scholarship right now, subtract the 16 seniors and you get to 62, add the 28 and you get to 90. There will be others that leave, be it Quayshon Alexander, Pernell Jefferson, maybe a Avery Anderson. Then add in Vaha Vainuku and you are at 86 without any real surprises at all. I would venture to say there will be others, which is why I could see where Frost was coming from with his comments.

Not that I don't trust Callahan and HOL, but the article clearly states that counting back is going away.

 

[73 Red I]

He's probably expecting more attrition. Not only that, but I think we can only sign 28 as the B1G only lets you over sign by 3 (25+3). So even if we signed 28 and didn't have any more attrition, we'd still only be at 84.

Sean indicated that with the departure of Bell and Lindsey we could be at 30 ships this year, but probably will not what the staff wants to do. Probably trying to save ships for transfers that could provide immediate help.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Sean indicated that with the departure of Bell and Lindsey we could be at 30 ships this year, but probably will not what the staff wants to do. Probably trying to save ships for transfers that could provide immediate help.

Yeah, I was thinking that they'd try to hit grad transfers hard.

 

[oldred79]

He's probably expecting more attrition. Not only that, but I think we can only sign 28 as the B1G only lets you over sign by 3 (25+3). So even if we signed 28 and didn't have any more attrition, we'd still only be at 84.

Yea but you can count some back to last year for example if you did fill all your ships.

 

[WoodRiverJennings]

Yea but you can count some back to last year for example if you did fill all your ships.

Yeah, some JCs and early-enrolees. They might be well served to roll the dice on some more JC players.