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So I just read an article that says that Florida offered Frost the head coaching job, but Frost turned it down because Florida wouldn't let him bring his whole staff with him. Nebraska, of course, said yes to that and so here he is.

So a purely hypothetical question with no real way to answer it definitively: if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?
 

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Good question.

No one knows the answer to that, but I bet most Husker fans believe Nebraska was the only option in Frost's mind... but maybe he would have listened to his staff and gone to Florida... if that is what his staff would have voted for.

A tweet I saw said Tennessee was the 3rd option, but they wouldn't allow the entire staff to come either.

This much I know: Our lives would not be as good today had Florida got Frost.
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Going off a tweet about it, week 9 or 10 would have been by the 1st of November (by counting each game on UCF's schedule from last year instead of going by their actual 9th or 10th game played). That shows how early Moos was doing work behind the scene.

It's seems crazy to me that the assistants would put that information out there for us to see. I would be curious if Moos or Frost cared about this info being made public.
 

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Oh Gawd, if SF & staff would have gone to Florida we would have kept Smiling Mike and the humiliations would never stop. Losing seasons after losing seasons......we would officially have turned into Minnesota (actually probably far worse).

Anything is possible but I think that would have sunk our ship for good.
 
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Good question.

No one knows the answer to that, but I bet most Husker fans believe Nebraska was the only option in Frost's mind... but maybe he would have listened to his staff and gone to Florida... if that is what his staff would have voted for.

A tweet I saw said Tennessee was the 3rd option, but they wouldn't allow the entire staff to come either.

This much I know: Our lives would not be as good today had Florida got Frost.
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Going off a tweet about it, week 9 or 10 would have been by the 1st of November (by counting each game on UCF's schedule from last year instead of going by their actual 9th or 10th game played). That shows how early Moos was doing work behind the scene.

It's seems crazy to me that the assistants would put that information out there for us to see. I would be curious if Moos or Frost cared about this info being made public.
My guess is, most of us had no clue how close we were to not getting Frost. Ugh
 

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Oh Gawd, if SF & staff would have gone to Florida we would have kept Smiling Mike and the humiliations would never stop. Losing seasons after losing seasons......we would officially have turned into Minnesota (actually probably far worse).

Anything is possible but I think that would have sunk our ship for good.

Moos would have not kept Riley..
 

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Lol. No.

Heck, forget Frost. Had Frost decided to stay at UCF, Dan Mullen was going to take the Nebraska job. He only took the Florida job after Frost let it be known (to Moos not publicly)he was taking this one.

Florida wasn't ahead of us for any real candidates -expecially Frost, and I'm betting they were behind a couple other teams for most coaches as well.
 

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Oh Gawd, if SF & staff would have gone to Florida we would have kept Smiling Mike and the humiliations would never stop. Losing seasons after losing seasons......we would officially have turned into Minnesota (actually probably far worse).

Anything is possible but I think that would have sunk our ship for good.

Smilin Mike would have been gone no matter what. Justin Fuentes was on deck, and we would have been a solid hire.
 

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I think Frost would have still came, he just would have been in a better position to leverage more money for his services. If we didn't get him, it might have been Chip Kelly.
 

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I think Frost would have still came, he just would have been in a better position to leverage more money for his services. If we didn't get him, it might have been Chip Kelly.
IMO, once UCLA threw their hat in the ring, Kelly was never coming. I could be wrong, just what my gut tells me.

Fortunately, we got our guy from the start.
 

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I believe it was Sean Beckton that made that statement

wish he would have simply said that Coach Frost was offered a number of jobs and one of his conditions was that he be allowed to bring his entire staff

by getting into more specifics about Florida it implies to some that he said no to Florida because of the restrictions rather than Nebraska being his first choice and away we go ... a great quote for journalist and message board speculation if that was the intent
 
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So I just read an article that says that Florida offered Frost the head coaching job, but Frost turned it down because Florida wouldn't let him bring his whole staff with him. Nebraska, of course, said yes to that and so here he is.

So a purely hypothetical question with no real way to answer it definitively: if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?
So I just read an article that says that Florida offered Frost the head coaching job, but Frost turned it down because Florida wouldn't let him bring his whole staff with him. Nebraska, of course, said yes to that and so here he is.

So a purely hypothetical question with no real way to answer it definitively: if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?
I could honestly see Scott considering Florida if for no other reason than to keep his staff at home close to their family and friends. Whether that was ultimately the only reason he turned down the job we’ll never know and I’m sure it took some convincing to get all the coaches on board to uproot their families and move to Lincoln. For Scott personally I think things worked out the way he wanted them to but he’s a guy that’s not just thinking about himself. Florida’s decision made it easy for Scott to turn his attention back to his alma mater— it had to be a package deal.
 

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I could honestly see Scott considering Florida if for no other reason than to keep his staff at home close to their family and friends. Whether that was ultimately the only reason he turned down the job we’ll never know and I’m sure it took some convincing to get all the coaches on board to uproot their families and move to Lincoln. For Scott personally I think things worked out the way he wanted them to but he’s a guy that’s not just thinking about himself. Florida’s decision made it easy for Scott to turn his attention back to his alma mater— it had to be a package deal.

It has been said that SF's father; Larry, really wanted to see his son coaching at NU before he passed on. I think that was a very strong draw for SF to NU, along with his draw back to the state in which he grew up.
 
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I could honestly see Scott considering Florida if for no other reason than to keep his staff at home close to their family and friends. Whether that was ultimately the only reason he turned down the job we’ll never know and I’m sure it took some convincing to get all the coaches on board to uproot their families and move to Lincoln. For Scott personally I think things worked out the way he wanted them to but he’s a guy that’s not just thinking about himself. Florida’s decision made it easy for Scott to turn his attention back to his alma mater— it had to be a package deal.
Well said
 

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So I just read an article that says that Florida offered Frost the head coaching job, but Frost turned it down because Florida wouldn't let him bring his whole staff with him. Nebraska, of course, said yes to that and so here he is.

So a purely hypothetical question with no real way to answer it definitively: if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?
NO NO and NO!!!! His heart is here!
 

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I believe it was Sean Beckton that made that statement

wish he would have simply said that Coach Frost was offered a number of jobs and one of his conditions was that he be allowed to bring his entire staff

by getting into more specifics about Florida it implies to some that he said no to Florida because of the restrictions rather than Nebraska being his first choice and away we go ... a great quote for journalist and message board speculation if that was the intent

more context:

 

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Beckton seems to be the one pushing the narrative of Frost considering Florida. Or the writer may be creating more drama than is actually there. Many fans want to believe Nebraska was Frost's only real choice. No one knows for sure. But I wouldn't say it is definite in any way, shape or form that Frost was even serious about Florida based on what Sean Beckton believes. He has a biased reason to believe it, just like fans do. Until I hear it from Frost otherwise, no writer or assistant coach will change my mind about it.
 

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With all due respect as a poster OP, this is an awful topic and there's really no point in this kind of speculation.
 
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With all due respect as a poster OP, this is an awful topic and there's really no point in this kind of speculation.
I think there is a point here. And it is that Frost coming here may not have been as automatic as some think. The man had some serious, serious options. Really solid options. So solid that many, if not most, national pundits had him going to Florida, or Tennessee, or UCLA, or FSU, or even Oregon. Furthermore, Frost had to consider what his wife wanted, what his coaching staff wanted, and what was best for his own career. He had many factors to consider and so going to Nebraska, even if it was HIS desire, may not have been a slam dunk choice.

My point? What all this means is that Frost really did have a choice to make and HE CHOSE US. This was no emotional "I'm Coming Home, la da da" ******** with a running leap into the arms of dear old Nebraska U. He made a rational, deliberate, and adult choice, and he chose us. And I really mean it as well when I say we owe people like Osborne and Davison big time. As well as Moos. Frost wanted to know there were people here who had his back, who would give him time and resources.

So my original post was not intended to stir up pointless **** or to be gossipy. I think it is important to know: 1) Frost chose us from among many attractive options, and 2) Why he chose us.
 

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I think there is a point here. And it is that Frost coming here may not have been as automatic as some think. The man had some serious, serious options. Really solid options. So solid that many, if not most, national pundits had him going to Florida, or Tennessee, or UCLA, or FSU, or even Oregon. Furthermore, Frost had to consider what his wife wanted, what his coaching staff wanted, and what was best for his own career. He had many factors to consider and so going to Nebraska, even if it was HIS desire, may not have been a slam dunk choice.

My point? What all this means is that Frost really did have a choice to make and HE CHOSE US. This was no emotional "I'm Coming Home, la da da" ******** with a running leap into the arms of dear old Nebraska U. He made a rational, deliberate, and adult choice, and he chose us. And I really mean it as well when I say we owe people like Osborne and Davison big time. As well as Moos. Frost wanted to know there were people here who had his back, who would give him time and resources.

So my original post was not intended to stir up pointless **** or to be gossipy. I think it is important to know: 1) Frost chose us from among many attractive options, and 2) Why he chose us.
I agree with everything you say here and wish you had said this in your OP. But you didn't. In fact your two posts contradict each other.
You asked, "if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole coaching staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?"
This does the exact opposite of what you say above in that he considers all factors. This makes it sound like if this one variable was different, then he would be in Florida right now because Florida was a better option, but this one detail was the kicker.
It comes off to me as insinuating that since everyone and their dog said Florida was the better choice, thank goodness we allowed him to bring his whole staff and they didn't otherwise he'd be there. Personally, I think that is looking at the whole thing way too shallow, and instead would like to look at it by your most recent post, in that he considered all factors and Nebraska was the best choice and that coaches was just one of those factors Nebraska came out on top but had to come out on top in others, too.
Of course he had a lot of good options and I and many others appreciate that he chose this place, I don't see the whole "well he was coming here no matter what" mentality in our fan base others must see.
Moral of the story I think you and I agree overall and I'm not trying to be argumentative but I think it's a fool question to ask in and of itself.
 

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To loosely quote the baseball classic "Major League":

"Who gives a s***? We got him."

;)
Essentially my thoughts too. I don't understand why people make a big deal over this stuff. It's like the stories about how Frost may have had cold feet at the last minute and almost decided to stay at UCF. Why does any of it matter now? I bet we'll hear a number of different stories in the future, possibly even with contradictory details about how close he was to taking another job or staying at UCF and we probably will never know the full story. And that's just fine. The bottom line is what actually happened.
 
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I agree with everything you say here and wish you had said this in your OP. But you didn't. In fact your two posts contradict each other.
You asked, "if Florida had allowed him to bring his whole coaching staff, would he have chosen Florida over us?"
This does the exact opposite of what you say above in that he considers all factors. This makes it sound like if this one variable was different, then he would be in Florida right now because Florida was a better option, but this one detail was the kicker.
It comes off to me as insinuating that since everyone and their dog said Florida was the better choice, thank goodness we allowed him to bring his whole staff and they didn't otherwise he'd be there. Personally, I think that is looking at the whole thing way too shallow, and instead would like to look at it by your most recent post, in that he considered all factors and Nebraska was the best choice and that coaches was just one of those factors Nebraska came out on top but had to come out on top in others, too.
Of course he had a lot of good options and I and many others appreciate that he chose this place, I don't see the whole "well he was coming here no matter what" mentality in our fan base others must see.
Moral of the story I think you and I agree overall and I'm not trying to be argumentative but I think it's a fool question to ask in and of itself.
I stand by my original question. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I just wanted to know what other people thought on the topic before I weighed in with my views. It was an issue brought up in the press and I thought it worthy of discussion. You don't. Fine. Then go look at a different thread and leave this one alone. Discussing this hurts nothing and nobody. I found it interesting. You don't. Fine. Go to a different thread then.
Geez.
 

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Lol. No.

Heck, forget Frost. Had Frost decided to stay at UCF, Dan Mullen was going to take the Nebraska job. He only took the Florida job after Frost let it be known (to Moos not publicly)he was taking this one.

Florida wasn't ahead of us for any real candidates -expecially Frost, and I'm betting they were behind a couple other teams for most coaches as well.

Florida obviously wasn't as high on Frost as many on this board thought as they obviously wouldn't give him what he wanted.
 
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The guy chose Nebraska and will get the support of the AD. That being said, what happens if chandeller (sp) cant get a 3-4 to work and someone puts the screws to frost on bringing in a new DC?
 

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I read it as the conversation with UF was over before it started because SF wouldn't even consider a school that didn't let him bring his whole staff. Not that there was strong mutual interest and then things fell apart when they got to specifics.

If it was the latter, I don't think Beckton would speak so freely to reporters on the matter. I think he mentioned it to illustrate Frost's loyalty to his assistants and the uniqueness of having his entire staff make the move to NU with him.

Just my $.02.
 
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Florida obviously wasn't as high on Frost as many on this board thought as they obviously wouldn't give him what he wanted.

Florida is a few years behind us in the "irrelevancy curve". A few more lost seasons in the next 5, and they'll take that deal in a heartbeat. For now, the perception is still that the Brand is bigger than the coach. Oh, how I miss that feeling.
 
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I read it as the conversation with UF was over before it started because SF wouldn't even consider a school that didn't let him bring his whole staff. Not that there was strong mutual interest and then things fell apart when they got to specifics.

If it was the latter, I don't think Beckton would speak so freely to reporters on the matter. I think he mentioned it to illustrate Frost's loyalty to his assistants and the uniqueness of having his entire staff make the move to NU with them.

Just my $.02.
Bingo. I agree
 

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I stand by my original question. I wasn't trying to insinuate anything. I just wanted to know what other people thought on the topic before I weighed in with my views. It was an issue brought up in the press and I thought it worthy of discussion. You don't. Fine. Then go look at a different thread and leave this one alone. Discussing this hurts nothing and nobody. I found it interesting. You don't. Fine. Go to a different thread then.
Geez.
Don't take offense as I did not intend any. I guess you could say I was giving my views on the topic as well, nothing more.
 

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I read it as the conversation with UF was over before it started because SF wouldn't even consider a school that didn't let him bring his whole staff. Not that there was strong mutual interest and then things fell apart when they got to specifics.

If it was the latter, I don't think Beckton would speak so freely to reporters on the matter. I think he mentioned it to illustrate Frost's loyalty to his assistants and the uniqueness of having his entire staff make the move to NU with them.

Just my $.02.

This is exactly how I took it. He's saying Frost is so loyal that he didn't even consider their offer because he knew that whatever happened, he wanted his coaches with him. I really think our only true competition back when he was deciding was staying at UCF.
 
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This is exactly how I took it. He's saying Frost is so loyal that he didn't even consider their offer because he knew that whatever happened, he wanted his coaches with him. I really think our only true competition back when he was deciding was staying at UCF.

So the conversation went like this?

Scott Stricklin: hi Scott, Scott Stricklin from Florida. I would like to talk to you about our coaching vacancy.

Scott Frost: can I bring my entire staff with me?

SS: no

SF: no thanks

Somehow I think it lasted a little longer and there was a little more interest, from both sides, than we believe. That is a great job in fertile recruiting grounds where you can play for and win national titles.
 

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So the conversation went like this?

Scott Stricklin: hi Scott, Scott Stricklin from Florida. I would like to talk to you about our coaching vacancy.

Scott Frost: can I bring my entire staff with me?

SS: no

SF: no thanks

Somehow I think it lasted a little longer and there was a little more interest, from both sides, than we believe. That is a great job in fertile recruiting grounds where you can play for and win national titles.

Why does it have to be so black and white? Of course there was some tire kicking on both sides. It's very likely that was done through his agent and they probably cut to the chase pretty quickly since there was urgency to make a decision and an obligation to let his current employer and players know whether he was staying. Not to mention the personal obligation he probably felt to also let NU know where they stood at that time.

With staff retention being such a high priority for Frost, I'm sure it came up early in the process. I remember that being a factor in eliminating Urban Meyer as a candidate post-Solich when he wanted to bring his entire staff from Utah. It's part of any negotiation in a coaching search, along with salary, years, bonuses, assistant salaries, facilities, recruiting budgets, etc.

If Florida wasn't a premier job with major recruiting advantages in a state Frost was already living in, he probably says no before they ever get to the staff issue. But once he heard their stand on that, whenever it happened, UF was no longer in the picture. And it appears that happened sooner in the process rather than later.
 
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