Based off my expert analysis of one spring practice game (smiles), how does Vedral rate a scholarship over Bunch? Bunch looked to have the best deep ball of all the QBs and seemed to make some good decisions out there. Vedral just looked completely out of his depth compared to the other 3.
Bunch and Vedral
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I would say he is a bunch better.
I think it should be a healthy competition going forward. Vedral didn't have his best day, but both of these guys sound like QBs we could win with in my opinion. And QB depth is so important in an era where 50% of QB recruits are transferring.
Spring games are nice but as fans we tend to over emphasize it it's just one scrimmage we get to see. Lets see what all the quarterbacks do in a actual game before passing judgment. Just look at tanner lee he must have looked great in non contact practice or you all remember mike grant he must have looked good in practice but struggled in game situations
Brion Carnes too in 2011.
11-15 passing for 173 yards with 40 rushing yards on 9 carries.
Have a tough time believing vedral would come here unless a scholly was guaranteed (at some point).
Plus that was just one practice, and variables werent controlled.
Plus that was just one practice, and variables werent controlled.
Obviously Bunch looked better in the spring scrimmage but neither would get a scholarship as a walk on until they played significantly in games UNLESS one was promised prior to walking on.
Are we overemphasizing Martinez play too? It was just one practice right?.
When it is the guy we are hoping wins the job, spring matters, when it's an underdog then it's just one practice.
As fans, we only have one practice to go off of. Personally, I think Bunch is going to be your starter later in the season.
I think Martinez will start and subsequently get injured. Bunch will get the call after that. Gebbia, if he is smart, should transfer before fall. It is only one practice, but I've done a complete 180 on him. I don't think he fits this system at all and he isn't physically ready either.
I think Martinez will start and subsequently get injured. Bunch will get the call after that. Gebbia, if he is smart, should transfer before fall. It is only one practice, but I've done a complete 180 on him. I don't think he fits this system at all and he isn't physically ready either.
What is your bases on the, spring game observation on Gebbia or do you have more insight? Not being sarcastic just curious why you've done a 180
just observation.. I thought he sort of folded under the pressure.. he hasn't gained much weight, and while he was saying all the right things leading up to the practice, you could just see the difference in how things looked by comparison. For sure he is a talent, I just think for a different system, and he needs to mature physically. I don't have anything against him or any inside info on it.
I appreciate your pov. I still have high hopes for him I thought some of his problems in the spring game was severe low snaps from center. Like I've posted before don't really have a preference main thing is we start kicking a$$ again and winning
Martinez clearly looks like the QB Nebraska will be using ASAP. I kinda wonder about Gebbia: He clearly can sling the ball around and his release is great, and for the few times we all saw him run, I would say he was average to maybe a little above average. Martinez, though, is BIG, fast, and can throw almost as well as Gebbia can (maybe as well, I dunno).
Should Gebbia transfer? Or can he wind up running this offense fairly well, like Mackenzie Milton did at UCF? I mention Milton because he too looks undersized, but he's quick and knows how to operate in Frost's system.
Should Gebbia transfer? Or can he wind up running this offense fairly well, like Mackenzie Milton did at UCF? I mention Milton because he too looks undersized, but he's quick and knows how to operate in Frost's system.
To be honest I think Frost will have all 4 qb's on scholarship. I believe 4 more spots open up in the next two weeks.
I don't think Vedral can go on scholarship for a year because ucf wouldn't release him.
Now I know it was Junior college, but Bunch has played beyond high school. Vedral does have game experience. That is important. They may not start but I would be comfortable if they were needed if the starter went down. I wish Vedral was eligible this year but, for now, he adds valuable experience in this system to the QB room. I think we’re very lucky to have the dudes we have.
IF Vedral is playing in 2019, something went horribly wrong.
Not a diss, just a fact.
Not a diss, just a fact.
I gave up a long time ago trying to make any predictions after the spring game. KC Hyland had a good game in 2009 and was constantly wide open, but only had 1 ball for 8 yards. The next year he had a great game, wide open, a couple key blocks and caught 3-57 including as I recall, an acrobatic catch. Wullenwaber had a great game in 2011, catching 2-28. These guys never saw the field. Meanwhile, Helu Jr had an uninspiring day in 2010 running 5 times for the White team for 21 yards.
Coming out of this year's game the eye test shows Martinez starting QB, Mazour starting RB, Honas, McQuitty, and Lindsey receiving, Austin Allen starting TE, and Honas and Weinmaster starrting ILBs. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
Coming out of this year's game the eye test shows Martinez starting QB, Mazour starting RB, Honas, McQuitty, and Lindsey receiving, Austin Allen starting TE, and Honas and Weinmaster starrting ILBs. But we all know that isn't going to happen.
That’s probably the best way to go about it my man. We see this every year...one of the QBs (or multiple QBs) look good and we label them the next starter and savior of Husker football. Then fall practices come around and when we hear the starter is so and so, we are like “oh wow, I didn’t see that coming”. Gebbia, Martinez and Bunch all look solid. They all three showed skill and showed they are more then capable of runnin Frosts offense. But that was one single practice scrimmage. We have heard good things about all the QBs, they have kept things very close to the vest when it comes to our QBs. I still think it’s a two horse race between Gebbia and Martinez, with Bunch being a solid back up to the winner. Martinez is clearly the better runner and Gebbia is clearly the better thrower. Both can do the lesser skill well enough to manage our offense. So a wait see approach isn’t a bad idea since previous scrimmages have been pour indicators for the starting QBs in the past.
I do wish the Gebbia transfer BS would stop. The kid hasnt even hinted at the idea and we still haven’t heard him hint to transferring still after talking to Frost post scrimmage in ind. meetings. I do have hope he doesn’t transfer out and wins the starting spot and allows Martinez to red shirt. Again, this is the best case for everyone. I don’t get the Gebbia haters. Dude has an elite arm and work ethic (he won’t be out worked). If this season is rough like we are expecting, we will need to throw a lot more then we want and when that happens, I’d rather have Gebbias brains and arm back there slinging the ball around then the other QBs (not saying they can’t do it too). I think he gives us our best chance when it comes to throwing the ball.
Well, the spring game showed Martinez throwing a damn fine ball. Also showed Martinez is bigger and way, wayyyyyyyyyy faster.
HCSF says being able to run the ball is the highest priority for his offense. Having a greased lightning qb doesn't hurt that concept at all.
Gebbia is a damn fine qb but simply doesn't have the tools Martinez has. Barring injury, Martinez will be our starter.
Yeah not at all convinced Gebbia is a better passer than Martinez. In the spring game it looked just the opposite. Martinez looked poised throwing the ball in this offense and Gebbia looked a little timid.
I think people want Gebbia to do well because he's a hard worker and everything but I don't think he has the same talent level Martinez has.
I’d say Martinez is the best all around QB based on what we’ve seen. Big, fast, more athletic, looked calm and was pretty good throwing the ball. That doesn’t mean it will translate to the field during the season though. They won’t be facing mix and match units on saturdays, they’ll get the best defensive unit an opposing team can field.
Maybe this is the best case for everyone, or maybe it isn't.
We all saw what happened to Tommy Armstrong. He was a very good dual threat QB who would consistently pull the rabbit out of the hat, until he got put into the Mike Riley offense. Then over the next couple years, they wore him down and his confidence until his Sr year when even many on the team now also believed he was a poor QB. That is what happens when you put a square peg into a round hole.
With Gebbia, what I saw in that single practice was a kid struggling to fit in. Gone was the poise and swagger of last year, instead replaced with what looked like anxiety and fear and now I'm positive that it was also him that lost his cool earlier in spring practice, enough that it made the news about coach V saying he didn't want to see any QB's lose their cool in front of their teammates. Geb looked like a guy that was absolutely trying too hard.
To me, what I saw was the beginnings of the same thing that happened with Tommy and I'm not sure how that is supposedly good for Tristan.
Best case for everyone?
Tristan has real NFL potential, and if I'm his best friend, I tell him to quit screwing around with this dual threat crap and go somewhere where things are a better fit. That doesn't make me a Gebbia hater at all.
Besides, he won't transfer this year anyways, it will be next year if things don't work out. That way he can sit out his sophomore year and have his junior & senior year to play somewhere if that is what actually happens.
This thread is putting the cart before the horse.
It was one spring practice. Do not try to read much into it besides knowing there’s some quality qbs for the system.
You watch 1/14th of a movie and say what the plot is.
It was one spring practice. Do not try to read much into it besides knowing there’s some quality qbs for the system.
You watch 1/14th of a movie and say what the plot is.
While I agree with you that the Gebbia transfer talk is baseless, I feel the same way about people jumping to the conclusion that Martinez should redshirt. Why would Martinez have a better chance of beating out Gebbia in 2019, once Gebbia is an established starter? And if he's not going to beat out Gebbia, that means Martinez would have to sit and wait for his senior year in order to start. That just doesn't happen with QBs anymore.
I love revisionist history
Tommy Armstrong as a freshman - 9 games
68/131 52% 966 yards 9 TD 8 INT - 67 carries 202 yards 3.0 ypc 2 TD
Sophomore- 13 games
184/345 53% 2695 yards 22 TD 12 INT - 145 carries 705 yards 4.9 ypc 6 TD
Junior - 12 games
222/402 55% 3030 yards 22 TD 16 INT - 98 carries 400 yards 4.1 ypc 7 TD
Senior - 11 games
151/294 51% 2180 yards 14 TD 8 INT - 113 carries 512 yards 4.5 ypc 8 TD
That dude was virtually the same from year one to year 4.
Isnt it funny how TA was virtually the same QB for his 4 years here, yet he could be such a completely different QB from one game to the next.
The epitome of consistently inconsistent
Stats don't tell the entire story. If you couldn't see that TA struggled under the Riley system and he got worse as that went along, well I don't know what to tell you. For most people, that was pretty clear.
Now maybe my square peg comparison is premature for Gebbia, but if spring football is a movie, we all got to see the end of the movie. So for the other poster, I'm not sure the movie analogy works.
I'm sure Geb will stick around this year, and it's just a message board for endless speculation, so that's cool if others have a different opinion. I gain nothing by trying to convince you that long sleeves are out of style
The analogy definitely works, you’re just choosing to make up your own cliffhanger.Stats don't tell the entire story. If you couldn't see that TA struggled under the Riley system and he got worse as that went along, well I don't know what to tell you. For most people, that was pretty clear.
Now maybe my square peg comparison is premature for Gebbia, but if spring football is a movie, we all got to see the end of the movie. So for the other poster, I'm not sure the movie analogy works.
I'm sure Geb will stick around this year, and it's just a message board for endless speculation, so that's cool if others have a different opinion. I gain nothing by trying to convince you that long sleeves are out of style
Okay, you saw something different than I did then, or you have a different interpretation than I do. I gave my reasons for why I think what I do. You can post the spring game stats if you want, but I'm not sure that helps your movie.
you saw what you wanted to see. The fact that, by all accounts, Gebbia was leading the group going into the spring game means nothing to you because, you saw "the ending". The ending was a scripted scrimmage with the QBs having no contact.
As far as Armstrong goes, he led the teams to 9 wins as a senior. playing with multiple injuries.
He looked different because it was a different offense, yet he still ran for 500 yards.
I was as pro Gebbia being the starter as anyone, so I don't see how 'I saw what I wanted to see'.. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Also, you just sort of proved my point.. Armstrong looked different because he was in a different offense..
I'm just drawing the comparisons between what we saw when Armstrong was in a different offense to what we have seen now with Gebbia in a different offense, (granted that is only 2 spring games).
I don't think the concept is that hard to grasp. You just don't agree with it, and that's fine.
It will get sorted over the next year. There isn’t enough room between the two if they are neck and neck for the starting job. If Gebbia is the QB for the next 4 years - not many QBs are going to wait around until their senior year to take the reigns. Gebbia isn’t likely going to stick around to be a backup for 3+ years in an offense that he wasn’t really recruited for or chose to pursue out of high school.
Need to recruit a high level QB(s) every year because not many are going to stay long term if they aren’t going to get significant playing time for 2 or more years.
Need to recruit a high level QB(s) every year because not many are going to stay long term if they aren’t going to get significant playing time for 2 or more years.
Pretty funny you watch one scrimmage and draw all your conclusions.
1999 spring game(one of many where performances meant nothing) Runty 9/13 with no picks, Crouch 4/13 with 2 picks.
Obviously Runty should start.
Bunch, TG and AMart all showed some very good things in the Spring game. Vedral not so much, even though he had the most experience in this offense. As far as the transfer talk, I think both AMart and TG both think they can be "the guy" and given how competitive both are, one may never gain separation from the other in terms of performance. The backup may get a little more run when NU gets up a couple of scores if he is essentially considered 1b instead of 2.
I think Martinez ultimately has more upside.
I think Martinez ultimately has more upside.
I'm with your comments , I too, think he's to small, & will not put any amount of weight on his frame.