One concern with Frost
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I mean, thats better than what we did with less quality player.
So it could be a good thing. I imagine we will probably not hire the same d coordinator anyways.
So it could be a good thing. I imagine we will probably not hire the same d coordinator anyways.
Will his D be one of only 20 teams to surrender 54 points in any consecutive 3 game stretch? IMHO we hit rock bottom this year. I don't care who stays or goes. Burn it down. Rebuild it right. I trust Frost to do just that, if he does indeed come here.
I don't worry about his D. His business.
If we can couple a top 35 scoring D with a top 20 scoring offense, we'll be in the thick of things.
With a top 5 scoring offense, and a top 30 scoring defense, that will win Scott a lot of games at Nebraska.
I'm hoping he hires a different DC here, not interested in Chinander. If he brings him along as the DC, nothing we can do about it.
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He had a 1 armed linebacker that played twice as good as any of the linebackers on our roster.
It is kind of the nature of the beast in college football these days. When you have an offense that puts up the numbers his does that is going to happen to your defense.
The AAC is a weird conference in that they have true triple options team like Navy and Tulane and they will have spread teams like USF, SMU and Memphis. They also have some really good QB in that conference.
Wins and Losses are the main thing to look at.
The AAC is a weird conference in that they have true triple options team like Navy and Tulane and they will have spread teams like USF, SMU and Memphis. They also have some really good QB in that conference.
Wins and Losses are the main thing to look at.
Sorry, didn't see your post. I just posted the same stats in another thread which was asking if Scott's offense can be successful in the Big Ten. I agree, that it is the defense, and NOT the offense that should be cause for concern.
However, as I posted in the other thread, we don't know if Scotts even going to take the job yet and we don't know which coaches will be on his staff. His scheme worked pretty well at UCF so I'm hopeful he'll be able to mold a team that can compete in the Big Ten as well.
He could have a no arm linebacker play better than any of ours did.
If Malzahn leaves Auburn for Hog country wonder if Keven Steele gets a look from SF.
He just had a kid so I'll assume his D is just fine.
I suspect people will do a lot of bitching if opposing RBs in the West turn our games into a track meet. So there is something we can do about it.
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Part of having a prolific and high powered offense is that you give the opposing offense a lot of possessions . This year, UCF is #1 in points/game and #6 in yards/game on offense.
With that being said, they're still #33 in points/game.
UCF is #100 is time of possession this year with the most points/game. They score a lot and quickly. This makes it hard for your defense.
With that being said, they're still #33 in points/game.
UCF is #100 is time of possession this year with the most points/game. They score a lot and quickly. This makes it hard for your defense.
Based on our last three games this year I would argue our defense finished last in every category and last in categories that do not even exist.
Can Chinander, or a DCTBNL, put together a decent defense from the likes of the Davis twins, Mick, Freedom, Deontre, Collin Miller, Avery Roberts, Young, Mo Barry, Ben Stille, Alex Davis, Lee, Anderson, Reed, Dismuke, Jackson, Bootle and Stovall, with Domann returning from injury? I find it inconceivable that a better producing unit cannot be assembled from the kids listed above. A lot of young kids got playing time this year. I would think that experience factor would have to pay off next year, unless these kids are just bad football players.
UCF did play 3 top 12 offenses, and all opponents had a better statistical offense than Nebraska but 1.
UCF opponents Total Offense ranks:
FIU- 90
Maryland- 120
Memphis- 5
East Carolina- 43
Navy- 33
Austin Peay- FCS 49
SMU- 12
UConn- 53
Temple- 80
South Florida- 8
(FYI Nebraska 85)
Oklahoma- 1
Oklahoma State- 2
Ohio State- 4
UCF- 6
Wisconsin- 42
Time of possession:
Navy- 1
Wisconsin- 2
Oklahoma- 29
Nebraska- 51
SMU- 78
Ohio State- 88
Oklahoma State- 95
UCF- 100
Memphis- 125
Total D:
Wisconsin 1
Ohio State 9
Oklahoma- 62
UCF- 73
Oklahoma State- 75
Nebraska- 102
What's the point? If you are going to play fast, your defensive stats will suffer. Unless you are just so ungodly talented like Ohio State. Look at Wisconsin. Is there defense really the best in the country, or are the statistically the best because their offense stays on the field so long and shortens the game?
If you expect Frost to have a top 10 offense AND defense, well, look at how Ohio State has recruited, because that is what it will take to accomplish that.
When you really start looking at everything, how they play, who they have played, and how their opponents play, # 73 defense in year two is respectable.
UCF opponents Total Offense ranks:
FIU- 90
Maryland- 120
Memphis- 5
East Carolina- 43
Navy- 33
Austin Peay- FCS 49
SMU- 12
UConn- 53
Temple- 80
South Florida- 8
(FYI Nebraska 85)
Oklahoma- 1
Oklahoma State- 2
Ohio State- 4
UCF- 6
Wisconsin- 42
Time of possession:
Navy- 1
Wisconsin- 2
Oklahoma- 29
Nebraska- 51
SMU- 78
Ohio State- 88
Oklahoma State- 95
UCF- 100
Memphis- 125
Total D:
Wisconsin 1
Ohio State 9
Oklahoma- 62
UCF- 73
Oklahoma State- 75
Nebraska- 102
What's the point? If you are going to play fast, your defensive stats will suffer. Unless you are just so ungodly talented like Ohio State. Look at Wisconsin. Is there defense really the best in the country, or are the statistically the best because their offense stays on the field so long and shortens the game?
If you expect Frost to have a top 10 offense AND defense, well, look at how Ohio State has recruited, because that is what it will take to accomplish that.
When you really start looking at everything, how they play, who they have played, and how their opponents play, # 73 defense in year two is respectable.
I think the fan base would ***** and moan about it until there was a change. Like Banker...
Given what happened this year, Mark Banker is a name of nostalgia.
You left off Turnovers Gained, where they rank 4th in the country. Overall, UCF is tied for 1st in the nation in Turnover Margin.
They held Memphis, which is #2 nation in scoring offense, to only 13 points. Obviously they didn't play well against USF, but that was the first game they really struggled with stopping a team from scoring.
I was watching UCF games on YouTube last night. His current team seems to have good backs and receivers on offense, but the O-line did not impress. On defense, they have a very aggressive pass rush, but the defensive backs stink. Not being mean, but they are terrible.
What can we surmise from this? Almost nothing. But I do think we will see a more aggressive style of defense.
What can we surmise from this? Almost nothing. But I do think we will see a more aggressive style of defense.
I was flipping back and forth between that game and the NU debacle, but it appeared to me that USF had a size advantage over UCF. I don't know if that is true or not because sometimes the color of the uniforms can play tricks on your perception.
And, regret it a short 10 months later.
Randy Shannon needs a job. Great recruiter in Florida.
Y'all aren't looking at the right stats. If you want to compare teams you must look at points per play (or points per possession). It's the only stat that makes sense when comparing slow teams and fast teams.
Right now UCF is #2 in points per play nationally.
The UCF defense is #19 in points per play nationally.
I can live with a top 20 defense.
Right now UCF is #2 in points per play nationally.
The UCF defense is #19 in points per play nationally.
I can live with a top 20 defense.
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One other way to look at defense is to figure out points per drive while ignoring garbage time. The best stat for this is FEI. Here is an explanation of it and it shows Central Florida's defense being #9 (although it is not updated with USF game).
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef
p.s. UCF's offensive FEI is #13 by the way.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef
p.s. UCF's offensive FEI is #13 by the way.
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Here are the 2016 numbers:
2016 Defensive Stats (National Rankings)
2016 Defensive Stats (National Rankings)
- Red Zone Defense - 70.7% (2nd)
- Defensive TDs - 5 (3rd)
- 3rd Down Defense - 29% (6th)
- Tackles for Loss - 7.9/game (9th)
- Sacks - 2.92/game (17th)
- Turnovers - 26 (18th)
- Interceptions - 15 (22nd)
- Fumbles Recovered - 11 (24th)
- Total Defense - 370.3/game (39th)
- Scoring Defense - 24.6 ppg (42nd)
So from many of the remarks on this thread I take it that its just fine that the D sux because Frost is coach. SMH, if he has a defense like that here he'll be lucky to average 7 wins a year. That better be shored up in a hurry and sure HE would agree.
When you run the Oregon Chip Kelly offense, you will never have a top defense. The defense is on the field almost the entire game. The offense scores within 1-3 minutes every drive.
Under George O'Leary UCF was NEVER worse than a top 30 defense.
You'll see. Husker football is going to be much different than you envision.
Great point. You are going to have to look at stats a little different when you play tempo.