Thoughts on North Korean EMP?

Cornicator

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Keep the family Suburban gassed up at all times and you'll make it. Keep a water purifier, small propane stove, and lots of dehydrated backpack meals on hand and you'll do fine. Toilet paper is always good to have too.:p

Ha.. Family suburban... The two vehicles I own, a 2012 and 2013 would both be knocked out useless.
 

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Ha.. Family suburban... The two vehicles I own, a 2012 and 2013 would both be knocked out useless.
I guess I was assuming that they would likely attack the coasts and thereby cripple the whole country but I suppose they would hit SAC too. I hadn't thought about all the computers in vehicles nowdays. Shoulda kept the 64 Galaxy 500 I guess. It would haul 5 and get 21 mpg. Those vinyl seats were a treat. Maybe I should invest in an oooold sedan.
 

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You can't protect anything online from hackers, that's why they are called HACKERS!!

You can tell here who the doomsday preppers are, and how serious they are in addressing this fear (and the big time $$$ they spend on it)

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You can't protect anything online from hackers, that's why they are called HACKERS!!

You can tell here who the doomsday preppers are, and how serious they are in addressing this fear (and the big time $$$ they spend on it)

GBR
I listened to a special forces commander speak at a professional meeting I was at a while back and he's thought that the next major conflict we have within our borders could be due to food and water insecurity. He spent lots of time in the middle east and in Iraq in particular if you wanted to win the hearts and minds of villagers you did it by ensuring they had the ability to produce food and water for themselves. Military force alone didn't cut it. He and a university ag professor expressed unanimous concern for our ability to produce enough food and fresh water to supply our growing population. A prolonged drought cycle would be tough.
 
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Supposedly we've already used EMP weapons on a small scale in the middle east so don't be so sure they couldn't be used tactically against us. The idea that our military is "hardened" against such an attack is laughable. We can't even protect our naval fleet or aircraft from hackers.
Not EMP - a weapon that releases graphite clouds aka "graphite bomb" that disables electrical grids - apparently very effectively. South Korea is working on a version to use on the NKs if the need arises.
 
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I am not that concerned about an NK EMP strike in the lower 48. Over the Pacific Ocean/Asia.....sure could happen. You have to put the weapon (several) in the exact right spot at high altitude to maximize the EMP effect if you want to hit the USA. NKs don't have the rockets advanced enough to do it - yet.
The big problem is the power grid. Once turned to slag by EMP - it would take years to fix. Which would not happen because life as we know it would end in the interim. The parts to fix everything don't exist - it has been studied to put spares in storage and to harden as much of the grid as possible. But cost is the problem - too expensive - won't happen.
And of course we would return the favor to most of the rest of the world - military would largely still be effective and the gloves would be off - nukes for everyone. Essentially an end of world scenario if it happens.
 

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Looking for a new read, can either of you give a little more than just "read it"? TIA

First ( and best) in a trilogy. Takes place in a town in NC. Unknown forces detonate multiple EMPs over the US. The book details the after effects as the food and medicine supplies dry up, most electricity and autos no longer work and our current way of life rapidly decays. Paper money is worthless and things like small caliber ammo ( for hunting) and K cup coffee pods become the currency of choice. For example, consider the number of diabetics in the country who need insulin. What happens when there is no supply and the current supply cant be kept chilled? Its very well written and researched.

The sequels deal with the ensuing few years and while they are good reads, they dont come close to the first book.

It’s worth your time and will make you think about many things you probably take for granted.
 

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Supposedly we've already used EMP weapons on a small scale in the middle east so don't be so sure they couldn't be used tactically against us. The idea that our military is "hardened" against such an attack is laughable. We can't even protect our naval fleet or aircraft from hackers.
can they take out 7 trident subs? each one with enough nukes to turn Russia into fragile glass
 

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An EMP strike killing off 90% of the population is a complete joke. Maybe 1%, which is still a huge number and a catastrophe the likes of which this country has never seen before. It would cause billions, perhaps trillions of dollars in economic damages. Yes there would be chaos the first few weeks, and into the first months after the attack, but people are a lot more resilient than you'd think when faced with a survival situation. New institutions, new industries(I'm guessing the ice industry will explode) will sprout and chaos and disorder will be short lived.

It's weird that with all the contingency plans regarding a conventional nuclear attack, that there is almost no plan in case of an emp attack. Our whole economic and societal system downplays the emp risk. We keep producing more and more sophisticated and vulnerable electronics in crucial industries that our society relies on. We have done very little to protect the electric grid. The benefits of hardening the electric grid far outweigh the cost and it's very surprising and concerning it hasn't been done yet given the national security risks. It's better to invest in our security now than be faced with the prospect of rebuilding at a time when we're already threatened by an outside actor.

For a small country or nonstate entity hostile to the US, an EMP attack presents an opportunity to cause huge damage to a modern country with relatively little cost. I don't think we can continue to overlook this threat.
 
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Reminds me a little of the Y2K thing. My sister made a fortune selling Y2K software and the company she worked for had her convinced planes were going to fall out of the sky and cars would just stop running. I was computer stupid at the time (now i'm just stupid) but even I knew it was overblown. I have no idea on the EMP thing, and I don't want to find out.
 

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I for one certainly hope the day never comes where an emp attack takes place and is successful. Being a type 1 diabetic, that would kinda end my life quickly as I depend on electricity on many levels. I could only hope to last long enough to get my family somewhere safe before the effects really took a toll on me. Although I just have a feeling the Omaha area would do ok in this situation. Don't have a tremendous amount of people completely reliant on the government here, unlike other areas of the country. It would definitely be a shock to the area, but a survivable one. Also helps that all the ag industries are located here.
 

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Another hidden problem with an emp attack is our nuclear power plants. Without electricity at some point there would be meltdowns. And that would be less than ideal.
 

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I for one certainly hope the day never comes where an emp attack takes place and is successful. Being a type 1 diabetic, that would kinda end my life quickly as I depend on electricity on many levels. I could only hope to last long enough to get my family somewhere safe before the effects really took a toll on me. Although I just have a feeling the Omaha area would do ok in this situation. Don't have a tremendous amount of people completely reliant on the government here, unlike other areas of the country. It would definitely be a shock to the area, but a survivable one. Also helps that all the ag industries are located here.
But the problem with Omaha is it's ground zero...meaning the first to get nuked...I live about 10 miles from offut so I would go fast.
 

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But the problem with Omaha is it's ground zero...meaning the first to get nuked...I live about 10 miles from offut so I would go fast.
LoL that is why offut is here, it is harder to get a missle that far in land... our missle defenses would have stoped them with that much warning... the coasts are more easily targeted but even then our defenses are pretty dang strong.
 

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LoL that is why offut is here, it is harder to get a missle that far in land... our missle defenses would have stoped them with that much warning... the coasts are more easily targeted but even then our defenses are pretty dang strong.
I'm not sure we can take out multiple warheads on a single missile, yet
 

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But the problem with Omaha is it's ground zero...meaning the first to get nuked...I live about 10 miles from offut so I would go fast.

If I'm thinking correctly about a straight emp attack (assuming no follow up nuke attack), an emp is generally exploded miles above ground for the greatest effect, therefore the actual nuke would do minimal damage. Correct me if I'm wrong, I hardly consider myself an expert here.
 

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I'm not sure we can take out multiple warheads on a single missile, yet
While this may be true, being as far inland as we are i would suspect multiple interceptors can be launched to destroy the warheads, i am not so sure NK even has the ability to put 1 warhead let alone multiple, into range of middle US. At some point i imagine we start shooting them down when/as they launch and not worry about killing them on re entry
 

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Speaking of books this one should be a good read...guys that are able to go this type of undercover have grapefruits for balls

 

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If I'm thinking correctly about a straight emp attack (assuming no follow up nuke attack), an emp is generally exploded miles above ground for the greatest effect, therefore the actual nuke would do minimal damage. Correct me if I'm wrong, I hardly consider myself an expert here.
I don't really know anything about EMP. except get ready to live like people did before mike faradays discoveries. which might not be that bad, I like riding horses and not being called on the phone at work all the time with problems. :Cool:
 
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While this may be true, being as far inland as we are i would suspect multiple interceptors can be launched to destroy the warheads, i am not so sure NK even has the ability to put 1 warhead let alone multiple, into range of middle US. At some point i imagine we start shooting them down when/as they launch and not worry about killing them on re entry
so get them early...I know nk doesn't have them but if russia or china jump on kim jongs side it's a problem area.
 

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so get them early...I know nk doesn't have them but if russia or china jump on kim jongs side it's a problem area.
China or Russia would likely not do such a thing, they depend a lot on other countries for trade including the US not to mention mutually assured destruction, unless either of them are making a move to take over the world, i dont see it happening.
 
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If an EMP happens, most of us are SOL for awhile. I have a couple acres, a large wood pile, propane heat (but only a 500 gallon tank), well water, and we keep a lot of canned food in the pantry (some is self canned). We could make it comfortably for a week or two. Less comfortably for a few months after and really hard living for a year?

I am going to get chickens and expand the garden in the next year or two. So that would help a little. Water would be an issue with no power since our well is a community well. We have a decent sized pond across the way and we could boil the water, but it'd be a major pain.
 
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If an EMP happens, most of us are SOL for awhile. I have a couple acres, a large wood pile, propane heat (but only a 500 gallon tank), well water, and we keep a lot of canned food in the pantry (some is self canned). We could make it comfortably for a week or two. Less comfortably for a few months after and really hard living for a year?

I am going to get chickens and expand the garden in the next year or two. So that would help a little. Water would be an issue with no power since our well is a community well. We have a decent sized pond across the way and we could boil the water, but it'd be a major pain.

What's your address, Shawn?