Blinded by "Our Guys"

[EatsBugs]

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.

Do you think its realistic to think the 17 guys on the left (below) should beat good teams, when not one single Top 50 team made them a scholarship offer? (except Knevel and Young). Based on their offers, do you think its a coincidence that the guys on the left play like a 60th ranked team? Do you think its surprising our D got pushed around by Wisc when 8 of the 11 starters weren't even offered by a top 50 team?

While certainly not perfect, quality of offer is a good indicator of quality of player. And its certainly better indicator than some reporter telling you that a non-offered P5 nose guard is unblockable in practice (even though I love ya Stoltzy).

You can approach the future 2 completely different ways.

Understand the real situation (we are who we are) and enjoy watching the team grow, not linear, but like how most teams grow (e.g losing games they shouldn't sometimes). Enjoy watching a Lindsey, a Dismuke, a Jaimes get knocked on their ***, fail and get back up. Embrace the process. Enjoy the painful growth. Enjoy becoming the team on the right, where nearly every starter has multiple top 10 offers (something Wiscy, Northwestern of Iowa will never be able to say).

Or you can think we should beat good teams immediately, believe our entire shortfall is coaching, become frustrated, scream for a different player or coach to be benched/fired every week, and for the whole thing to be blown up, and then start the process all over again.

Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: Only Pitt -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

 

[Shimmer003]

Don't bring logic into this. We are losing and therefore Riley can't develop talent that's he's gotten out of three whole recruiting classes. That should be sufficient time to completely overhaul a mismanaged roster full of kids that were toxic towards the coaching change and didn't fit the system the new staff's system. We are much better off firing him mid transition in order to start a new one. Again.

 

[HuskAir]

Does anyone have similar numbers for how Wisconsin’s classes and results (championships, winning seasons, and losses to teams such as NIU) line up, compared to NU’s?

 

[BroskiRed]

I am all for growth also. Excellent post; I believe what you posted to be the reason why posters like Archie are on the fence about starting over. The current Administration did this process no favors when AD Eichorst was canned. Not saying it wasn’t earned, however, but Rimington, Bounds, Green et all need to work together now to communicate to this splintered and torn fan base about what the approach is. I see articles on this site about Bookie loving the family atmosphere around this program and can’t help but wonder what’s going on in the current administration and what their thought process is. Is it independent of what Riley is doing or is it in concert?

 

[genetics56]

So you are saying the guys on the right are so bad they can't beat out the left over recruits from previous classes.

 

[WuTang_Husker]

Don't bring logic into this. We are losing and therefore Riley can't develop talent that's he's gotten out of three whole recruiting classes. That should be sufficient time to completely overhaul a mismanaged roster full of kids that were toxic towards the coaching change and didn't fit the system the new staff's system. We are much better off firing him mid transition in order to start a new one. Again.

Mike Riley just isn't a good coach as of right now at age 64. I'm not sure why excuses need to be made for his poor performance.

His last 5 seasons at OSU tell the story. Go look at those last 5 seasons and you tell me what consistency you see from that mess. Tell me what you see being built from those final five seasons that would give you any belief that he can actually build a sustainable success at NU. Here we are in year 3 at NU and the inconsistency that he had at his previous job shows up loud and clear.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

thanks for the work putting this together

a lot of Nebraska kids in that left hand column without any significant offers

 

[bigboxes]

So you are saying the guys on the right are so bad they can't beat out the left over recruits from previous classes.

I think the general consensus is that you are an idiot.

 

[Hoosker Du]

I don't necessarily blame our doing poorly specifically on Riley. It's Cavanaugh. Cavanaugh has more talent to work with than every team in the West Division, and yet he doesn't get results commensurate with that talent.

I would bet that Wisconsin has players with fewer offers that ours.

 

[genetics56]

I think the general consensus is that you are an idiot.

So all of these studs with big offers are no better than a kid with no offer. SMH. It is called player development and Riley sucks balls at it.

I know there are Riley lovers that will try to do anything to show off their love of Riley, but those posters are dumb. Riley sucks balls and always will. His entire career has been a failure and will continue to be a failure at Nebraska. That is the cold hard truth that Riley lovers will refuse to accept.

 

[genetics56]

If you want the actual truth for offers:

Nick Gates offers: Nebraska, Arizona, Oregon, aTM, Bama, Baylor, Cal, Duke, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State

Jerald Foster: Nebraska, UGA, Iowa, Iowa St, Mizzou, UCLA, Vandy, Wake

Freedom: Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, KSUcks

Stoltenberg: Nebraska

Gifford: Nebraska, Iowa St

DPE: Nebraska, N Carolina, Boston College, Wake

Chris Jones: Nebraska, Purdue, Indiana

Eric Lee: Nebraska, Az St, CU, Oregon State,

Morgan: Nebraska, Clemson, Florida, UGA, Michigan State, Mississippi St, Ohio St, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCLA, Utah

 

[Toms Wife]

Sooooooooo...if our upperclassmen are so bad but our young guys are so good, why did Wisconsin start more underclassmen than we did on Saturday night?

 

[genetics56]

Let's do some more:

Dedrick Young: Nebraska, Washington, Arizona, Az State, Cal, Michigan St, UCLA

David Knevel: Nebraska, Purdue, Wash St, WVU, Wisconsin, Bama, Baylor, Mizzou, Vandy, Virginia

Tanner Farmer: Neb, Illinois, Minnesota, Mizzou

Alex Davis: Nebraska, Pitt

Avery Anderson: Nebraska, Az St, KSUcks, Utah

Williams: Nebraska, Duke, Indiana, KSUcks, Miss St, Ole Miss, Purdue, Virginia, Wake, Wash St

Tanner Lee was brought in by Mike and his crew. He had no P5 offers in high school.

 

[1NebrFan]

So all of these studs with big offers are no better than a kid with no offer. SMH. It is called player development and Riley sucks balls at it.

I know there are Riley lovers that will try to do anything to show off their love of Riley, but those posters are dumb. Riley sucks balls and always will. His entire career has been a failure and will continue to be a failure at Nebraska. That is the cold hard truth that Riley lovers will refuse to accept.

Honestly...............just stop. I would have to say that those on the right being freshmen have a lot of time to still develop so saying that they are no better than the upper class guys is too early to tell. Also, it would seem to show that the most recent class has some pretty good potential whether or not they can be developed is still to be determined.

 

[genetics56]

Honestly...............just stop. I would have to say that those on the right being freshmen have a lot of time to still develop so saying that they are no better than the upper class guys is too early to tell. Also, it would seem to show that the most recent class has some pretty good potential whether or not they can be developed is still to be determined.

So Michigan can play double digits of true freshman but Riley can't. You know, because those non offer kids are so much better than all of those star studded recruits that can't beat out non offer kids. SMH. Riley sucks balls and always had and always will.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Sooooooooo...if our upperclassmen are so bad but our young guys are so good, why did Wisconsin start more underclassmen than we did on Saturday night?

I believe many in his right column are in the '18 class. IMO He makes some good points. I don't think it necessarily applies to the OLine, because we have talent that had very good offers coming in, but QB, WR, and TE makes sense. the defensive side of the ball also makes a lot of sense.

I would suspect Wisconsin starters had even worse offers, so not sure how much it applies, but some good points nonetheless.

If nothing else, it's a small scale indictment of the rankings system at Rivals.

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Nice work. Not sure though what to make of it. I wager Wisconsin's guys weren't highly recruited either.

Recruiting rankings matter, but product on the field matters more. Wisconsin mauled us with lower rated players. And our offensive line has quality athletes who are clearly poorly coached and/or in bad schemes.

I spent $1000 to fly 1300 miles, buy a ticket, get a hotel, and spend money in Lincoln for a week, all so I could cheer on my Huskers. What I witnessed was an embarrassing shitfest of very weak defense and unimaginative, poorly executed, predictable offense. The guy sitting next to me in North Stadium has had season tickets for 30 years and never misses a game. He isn't going this week because he lives in Scottsbluff and, in his words, "can no longer justify the time and money to come watch this ********". This is serious. You can make all the sarcastic comments you want about fair weather fans, but this team has underperformed this year and it has NOTHING to do with recruiting rankings.

Expect empty seats against OSU. Lots of them. And expect a half empty stadium by halftime. "Through these gates pass long suffering fans who have put up with this **** for 16 years and have finally had it."

So you can pile up all the stats you want. But I will believe what I saw with my own eyes: Nebraska getting its teeth kicked in. And that is in year three.

 

[1NebrFan]

So Michigan can play double digits of true freshman but Riley can't. You know, because those non offer kids are so much better than all of those star studded recruits that can't beat out non offer kids. SMH. Riley sucks balls and always had and always will.

So Michigan can play double digits of true freshman but Riley can't. You know, because those non offer kids are so much better than all of those star studded recruits that can't beat out non offer kids. SMH. Riley sucks balls and always had and always will.[/QUOTE

Just a quick comment ....I only see 2 starters on the Michigan team that are freshman..... in most cases no matter what team you are talking about they don't rely on numerous freshman playing a lot. Sure you can find exceptions , but most aren't playing double digit freshman. As I recall our best defensive lineman in recent memory didn't start his freshman year ( Suh ) and he turned out pretty good given some time to develop. You might be right that they won't be developed but they certainly have potential based on offers.

 

[RedMyMind]

Wisconsin beat us out for the remaining 1.5 quarters. Before that, Nebraska beat themselves. Nebraska had over 300 yards of offense but had crucial drops by 2 WRs and a running back. Morgan fumbling in the 4th also hurt. Would have been a game if the WRs didn't choke as usual.

 

[meo1960]

Nice work. Not sure though what to make of it. I wager Wisconsin's guys weren't highly recruited either.

Recruiting rankings matter, but product on the field matters more. Wisconsin mauled us with lower rated players. And our offensive line has quality athletes who are clearly poorly coached and/or in bad schemes.

I spent $1000 to fly 1300 miles, buy a ticket, get a hotel, and spend money in Lincoln for a week, all so I could cheer on my Huskers. What I witnessed was an embarrassing shitfest of very weak defense and unimaginative, poorly executed, predictable offense. The guy sitting next to me in North Stadium has had season tickets for 30 years and never misses a game. He isn't going this week because he lives in Scottsbluff and, in his words, "can no longer justify the time and money to come watch this ********". This is serious. You can make all the sarcastic comments you want about fair weather fans, but this team has underperformed this year and it has NOTHING to do with recruiting rankings.

Expect empty seats against OSU. Lots of them. And expect a half empty stadium by halftime. "Through these gates pass long suffering fans who have put up with this **** for 16 years and have finally had it."

So you can pile up all the stats you want. But I will believe what I saw with my own eyes: Nebraska getting its teeth kicked in. And that is in year three.

Imagine being a Cubs fan before they finally broke through last year. With each passing year, I'm feel like I'm getting a small taste of what they've had to endure.

 

[Toms Wife]

BTW...Ohio State looks to be starting more underclassmen than we are this coming Saturday too.

 

[RedMyMind]

BTW...Ohio State looks to be starting more underclassmen than we are this coming Saturday too.

They have a system in place. This is year one of our systems

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Wisconsin beat us out for the remaining 1.5 quarters. Before that, Nebraska beat themselves. Nebraska had over 300 yards of offense but had crucial drops by 2 WRs and a running back. Morgan fumbling in the 4th also hurt. Would have been a game if the WRs didn't choke as usual.

Yes, but ain't it funny that we always seem to beat ourselves. Quality well coached teams rarely beat themselves. And our receivers dropping passes isn't something new. At some point you just need to realize that they just aren't that good.

 

[Toms Wife]

They have a system in place. This is year one of our systems

Sweet. I have no idea what year one means and why having a system in place means you would have more underclassmen starting.

 

[Shimmer003]

Sweet. I have no idea what year one means and why having a system in place means you would have more underclassmen starting.

Ohio state plays more underclassmen because they signed the best class in the country last year. We don't recruit at that level. Never have. Never will. But the guys we get that are at that level play right away here too...a la Tyjon Lindsey

 

[RedMyMind]

Sweet. I have no idea what year one means and why having a system in place means you would have more underclassmen starting.

It means that they have a system in place, similar to Wisconsin, and it is much more plug and play. Instead, we have 22 players all learning together at the same time, for the first time this year, and the more developed/experienced "upperclassmen" win out.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The problem with recruiting is that Nebraska has to decide if they want to recruit like Ohio St or Wisconsin. They have to do one or the other. They are polar opposites, but one recruits the top talent and plays it immediately and the other, except for rare occasions, recruits average talent and let's it sit and develop.

One plays for national titles and is the prom queen, the other gets close on occasion and is always the bride's maid.

If you recruit top talent, you cant let it sit behind lesser talented players because you are afraid the talent will make mistakes. Plus uber talented kids want to play and have fragile egos. Sitting behind a less talented kid deflates that ego. Call it mental toughness or whatever, but it is the case and has been for many years.

 

[LPTC1]

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.

Do you think its realistic to think the 17 guys on the left (below) should beat good teams, when not one single Top 50 team made them a scholarship offer? (except Knevel and Young). Based on their offers, do you think its a coincidence that the guys on the left play like a 60th ranked team? Do you think its surprising our D got pushed around by Wisc when 8 of the 11 starters weren't even offered by a top 50 team?

While certainly not perfect, quality of offer is a good indicator of quality of player. And its certainly better indicator than some reporter telling you that a non-offered P5 nose guard is unblockable in practice (even though I love ya Stoltzy).

You can approach the future 2 completely different ways.

Understand the real situation (we are who we are) and enjoy watching the team grow, not linear, but like how most teams grow (e.g losing games they shouldn't sometimes). Enjoy watching a Lindsey, a Dismuke, a Jaimes get knocked on their ***, fail and get back up. Embrace the process. Enjoy the painful growth. Enjoy becoming the team on the right, where nearly every starter has multiple top 10 offers (something Wiscy, Northwestern of Iowa will never be able to say).

Or you can think we should beat good teams immediately, believe our entire shortfall is coaching, become frustrated, scream for a different player or coach to be benched/fired every week, and for the whole thing to be blown up, and then start the process all over again.

Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: None -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

This post is just another reminder that Riley is Callahan 2.0.

 

[jeans15]

If you want the actual truth for offers:

Nick Gates offers: Nebraska, Arizona, Oregon, aTM, Bama, Baylor, Cal, Duke, Oregon State, UCLA, Washington, Washington State

Jerald Foster: Nebraska, UGA, Iowa, Iowa St, Mizzou, UCLA, Vandy, Wake

Freedom: Nebraska, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, KSUcks

Stoltenberg: Nebraska

Gifford: Nebraska, Iowa St

DPE: Nebraska, N Carolina, Boston College, Wake

Chris Jones: Nebraska, Purdue, Indiana

Eric Lee: Nebraska, Az St, CU, Oregon State,

Morgan: Nebraska, Clemson, Florida, UGA, Michigan State, Mississippi St, Ohio St, Ole Miss, Tennessee, UCLA, Utah

Made the entire OP bogus.

Their entire post was a waste of time because it wasn't truthful. And does not the deserve to be respected for effort.

 

[Toms Wife]

It means that they have a system in place, similar to Wisconsin, and it is much more plug and play. Instead, we have 22 players all learning together at the same time, for the first time this year, and the more developed/experienced "upperclassmen" win out.

OK. I just figured someone who had been in a system for three or four years would be more likely to win out over newcomers versus a brand new system where everyone is pretty equal. Regardless, to each their own.

 

[dinglefritz]

Made the entire OP bogus.

Their entire post was a waste of time because it wasn't truthful. And does not the deserve to be respected for effort.

What wasn't truthful about it? The OP listed the "best power 5 offer" not all their other offers. I think what it points out is that we've got a bunch of walk ons and a few lightly recruited guys starting for us.

 

[RedMyMind]

The problem with recruiting is that Nebraska has to decide if they want to recruit like Ohio St or Wisconsin. They have to do one or the other. They are polar opposites, but one recruits the top talent and plays it immediately and the other, except for rare occasions, recruits average talent and let's it sit and develop.

One plays for national titles and is the prom queen, the other gets close on occasion and is always the bride's maid.

If you recruit top talent, you cant let it sit behind lesser talented players because you are afraid the talent will make mistakes. Plus uber talented kids want to play and have fragile egos. Sitting behind a less talented kid deflates that ego. Call it mental toughness or whatever, but it is the case and has been for many years.

I agree but I don't see husker fans willingly accepting losses by getting talented youngsters good experience. Gotta win and develop over night, or else.

 

[jeans15]

What wasn't truthful about it? The OP listed the "best power 5 offer" not all their other offers. I think what it points out is that we've got a bunch of walk ons and a few lightly recruited guys starting for us.

Because we can't develop talent.

Secondly. That's today's top 50. What about when they were recruited.

Not to mention we were a top 50 team when they were recruited.

Some of those kids were sold on Nebraska. It was waste of time to recruit them.

 

[Huskercigar]

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.


Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: None -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.

Do you think its realistic to think the 17 guys on the left (below) should beat good teams, when not one single Top 50 team made them a scholarship offer? (except Knevel and Young). Based on their offers, do you think its a coincidence that the guys on the left play like a 60th ranked team? Do you think its surprising our D got pushed around by Wisc when 8 of the 11 starters weren't even offered by a top 50 team?

While certainly not perfect, quality of offer is a good indicator of quality of player. And its certainly better indicator than some reporter telling you that a non-offered P5 nose guard is unblockable in practice (even though I love ya Stoltzy).

You can approach the future 2 completely different ways.

Understand the real situation (we are who we are) and enjoy watching the team grow, not linear, but like how most teams grow (e.g losing games they shouldn't sometimes). Enjoy watching a Lindsey, a Dismuke, a Jaimes get knocked on their ***, fail and get back up. Embrace the process. Enjoy the painful growth. Enjoy becoming the team on the right, where nearly every starter has multiple top 10 offers (something Wiscy, Northwestern of Iowa will never be able to say).

Or you can think we should beat good teams immediately, believe our entire shortfall is coaching, become frustrated, scream for a different player or coach to be benched/fired every week, and for the whole thing to be blown up, and then start the process all over again.

Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: None -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

Here is the whole problem with this post. One you are assuming that the guys on the left are sub standard. We all know recruiting offers aren't exact. You are also dismissing that some of these guys might have beat out a guy who did have offers to a P5 School.

The next thing is you have already called everyone on the right side a future starter. You haven't accounted for injuries, transfers or busts. For that reason the whole post is garbage because it is not factual. You cannot compare a Senior class to a Freshman Class because too many things happen in 4-5 years. What you can do though because the history is there, is say that these guys.....as Freshman/Redshirt Freshman were winning more games then they were as Seniors

 

[Mack In Motion]

So what? We just were given a proctology exam by a program that pulls less incoming talent every single year than we do and a new head coach.

Nobody on that side saying Chryst needs 38 years to hire competent assistants and install an offense.

 

[MOhusker12]

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.

Do you think its realistic to think the 17 guys on the left (below) should beat good teams, when not one single Top 50 team made them a scholarship offer? (except Knevel and Young). Based on their offers, do you think its a coincidence that the guys on the left play like a 60th ranked team? Do you think its surprising our D got pushed around by Wisc when 8 of the 11 starters weren't even offered by a top 50 team?

While certainly not perfect, quality of offer is a good indicator of quality of player. And its certainly better indicator than some reporter telling you that a non-offered P5 nose guard is unblockable in practice (even though I love ya Stoltzy).

You can approach the future 2 completely different ways.

Understand the real situation (we are who we are) and enjoy watching the team grow, not linear, but like how most teams grow (e.g losing games they shouldn't sometimes). Enjoy watching a Lindsey, a Dismuke, a Jaimes get knocked on their ***, fail and get back up. Embrace the process. Enjoy the painful growth. Enjoy becoming the team on the right, where nearly every starter has multiple top 10 offers (something Wiscy, Northwestern of Iowa will never be able to say).

Or you can think we should beat good teams immediately, believe our entire shortfall is coaching, become frustrated, scream for a different player or coach to be benched/fired every week, and for the whole thing to be blown up, and then start the process all over again.

Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: None -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

Well done and well said

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Cool...this would explain us getting our *** beat against good teams. I guess Riley is just unlucky against the Portland St, Eastern Washington, Northern Illinois, Purdue, Illinois, Iowa’s, and Northwestern’s of the CFB world. Once again, I’m glad we hired a 60 some year old for what some are now saying is a complete rebuild.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch_rivals294365]

They have a system in place. This is year one of our systems

Why isn't it year 3 of a "system"?

 

[dinglefritz]

So what? We just were given a proctology exam by a program that pulls less incoming talent every single year than we do and a new head coach.

Nobody on that side saying Chryst needs 38 years to hire competent assistants and install an offense.

Chryst didn't have to implement a new system at Wisconsin. Alvarez dictated that Anderson continue to run the same system that they've run there for decades. Chryst stepped right back in to the system they've run for years there. Alvarez still runs the show there.

 

[NikkiSixx_rivals269993]

We are completely blinded by our bias for "our guys" and don't even realize it.

Do you think its realistic to think the 17 guys on the left (below) should beat good teams, when not one single Top 50 team made them a scholarship offer? (except Knevel and Young). Based on their offers, do you think its a coincidence that the guys on the left play like a 60th ranked team? Do you think its surprising our D got pushed around by Wisc when 8 of the 11 starters weren't even offered by a top 50 team?

While certainly not perfect, quality of offer is a good indicator of quality of player. And its certainly better indicator than some reporter telling you that a non-offered P5 nose guard is unblockable in practice (even though I love ya Stoltzy).

You can approach the future 2 completely different ways.

Understand the real situation (we are who we are) and enjoy watching the team grow, not linear, but like how most teams grow (e.g losing games they shouldn't sometimes). Enjoy watching a Lindsey, a Dismuke, a Jaimes get knocked on their ***, fail and get back up. Embrace the process. Enjoy the painful growth. Enjoy becoming the team on the right, where nearly every starter has multiple top 10 offers (something Wiscy, Northwestern of Iowa will never be able to say).

Or you can think we should beat good teams immediately, believe our entire shortfall is coaching, become frustrated, scream for a different player or coach to be benched/fired every week, and for the whole thing to be blown up, and then start the process all over again.

Best Power 5 Offer:

Starters (mostly upperclass) --------- Future Starter (all Freshman):
LB Weber: None ----------------Roberts: Clemson, Oklahoma, Penn State
LB Gifford: None ---------------Alexander: Michigan, Miami, ND, Wiscy
LB A Davis: Only Pitt -------------Thomas: Alabama, Florida State, Michigan
DL Stoltenb: None -------------Daniels: Michigan, Florida, USC
S Kalu: Colorado ---------------Dismuke: LSU, Michigan, Wisconsin
S Williams: North Car ---------Butler: Clemson, Michigan, Miami
CB Lee: Colorado --------------Bookie: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma
CB Jones: Purdue -------------C Williams: USC, Oregon, Georgia
LB Young: Wash or MSU ----Jefferson: Oklahoma, Miami, TCU
DE Freedom: Illinois ----------D Thomas: Michigan, Texas A&M, Arkansas
OL Decker: None --------------Raridon: Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Stanford
OL Knevel Alabama-----------Jaimes: Texas, TCU, Baylor
TE Hoppes: None -------------Jurgens (if available): Ohio State, LSU, UCLA
TE Ketter: None ---------------Radfal: Auburn, Louisville, Maryland
WR Pierson-El: North Car -----Lindsey: Alabama, Ohio State, PSU, Michigan
FB McNitt: None --------------Miles: LSU, Michigan State, BC
QB Lee: None -----------------Gebbia: Alabama, Miami, Washington

WR Rahn (2T): None----------Spielman: Michigan, Minnesota, Iowa
WR Reimers (2T): None------McQuitty: Michigan, Miami, Maryland
CB Anderson (2T): K State-----Goodrich: Oklahoma, Michigan, Georgia

Other Starters: A Wash (?)
WR Morgan: Clemson---------Moore: Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, FSU
OL Farmer: Minnesota--------Wilson: Indiana, Louisville, Purdue
OL Gates: Alabama------------Farniok: Michigan, FSU, PSU
OL Foster: Florida--------------Sichterman: Northwestern, Maryland, Pitt

Note: some of the offers could have been non-commitable. Source data does not indicate.

Then ask yourself why the future starter isn't playing today? Mike is responsible for personnel decisions (i.e. who is playing).. go ask him why those other guys aren't playing.