Riley probably vouched for him and if you have learned anything the man is really respected.
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Riley probably vouched for him and if you have learned anything the man is really respected.
Everyone saw how Riley singlehandedly help get Janovich a NFL Combine ticket. And you don't think he was working the phones big time for Vincent behind the scenes???
Right. This is big-time college football. We are F-ing Nebraska. You have to earn it, every day.
No, I absolutely do not. In addition, the Patriots of all organizations do not take flyers on draft picks, much less a 3rd rounder. We're not talking about betting a horse at the track because of some hot tip...we're talking about the NFL draft for cripes sake.
I don't know about working the phones but I am sure Riley was contacted by all the NFL teams that had interest in his players. I am sure he had nothing but good things to say about them too. I think that is probably pretty standard. I don't think it is something that makes Riley some saint.
I'm sure some coaches are pretty straight forward about some players. I can imagine something like:
Agent: Hey coach how about that #soandso guy
Coach: Yeah that guy sucks
Agent: Really Coach? That bad eh?
Coach: Yeah he's a big pot head, and he knocked up a coaches daughter
Agent: Ok, yeah, sorry to hear that.. ok what about #nextguy
Coach: Yep, that guy is who you want to draft. No problems with him.
I'm pretty sure all the teams get the 411 and info is shared.
Agent: Hey coach how about that #soandso guy
Coach: Yeah that guy sucks
Agent: Really Coach? That bad eh?
Coach: Yeah he's a big pot head, and he knocked up a coaches daughter
Agent: Ok, yeah, sorry to hear that.. ok what about #nextguy
Coach: Yep, that guy is who you want to draft. No problems with him.
I'm pretty sure all the teams get the 411 and info is shared.
Belichek used that pick because he needed a reasonably athletic large body that could plug the middle on obvious run downs to replace the large body that he lost. That's perfect for VV because he looked like he really only wanted to play every 4th or 5th down anway. VV will not be an every down DT. It was purely a pick by a guy that has his bases covered at DT and needed a run stopping specialist.
exactly why the last guy was shown the door.
4 to 5 years?
This is Nebraska. Are we the only school that can't find a coach to make a difference in 3 years...good grief...if we go less than 500...then he has next year to prove he can coach...or find a moving company...Good coaches show immediate improvement by properly using their players
This is Nebraska. Are we the only school that can't find a coach to make a difference in 3 years...good grief...if we go less than 500...then he has next year to prove he can coach...or find a moving company...Good coaches show immediate improvement by properly using their players
Never doubt RedRover
I'm sure it went down as follows:
"Bill, this is Mike, how about doing me a solid and drafting VV in the early rounds.
Sure .. Anything for you Mike"
Our last 3 coaches - Solich, Callahan, & Pelini - all showed measurable improvement from year 1 to year 2. Solich and Pelini had their teams in the CCG in year 2. For Callahan, it was his 3rd season. None of those guys had a QB in year 2 with as much experience as Tommy Armstrong.
Nebraska should have been better than 6-7 last year. They should be much, much better in 2016.
Nebraska should have been better than 6-7 last year. They should be much, much better in 2016.
Behind 21 teams that have at least 5 more recruits than we do. As of today, 5 schools have 20+ recruits, so this early the rankings are still more heavily influenced by total vs. quality of recruits. We're also still sitting top 20 (or top 15, depending on how you count ties) for average ranked recruit.
As I said last week, when you posted similarly, I'll worry about lagging behind the pace in # of recruits if it continues through the first month or two of the season, not July/barely August. Especially since we're at the mercy of some of our big target's decision dates, and game-day visits is kind of our thing. But, I suppose some people have their own agendas.
I didn't insert anything positive or negative, just stating where we were at... also not sure why you are copying and pasting quotes from one unrelated thread to another... must be your agenda
Tommy Armstrong needs to be the leader of the team. A senior who wills this group of young men to victories. Makes good decisions that compliment his skill set and the players around him. JMO
Leave Tommy out of this discussion, he is not the scapegoat for the coaches. If this season fails, it's on the coaches.
rr - I absolutely do not under stand where you are coming from half of the time. You are mixing a "game plan" and an "offensive system" in your description. I don't know of an offense, especially modern, that doesn't use run/pass formation base sets and actions in the same series. You are always setting the team up for the next play or the nest series. That is the art of football and certainly is nothing new.
We matched up well against UCLA and played well for more of the game than they did. In short, we executed, they didn't. On paper (your game plan again) both teams had a plan they thought would exploit the other team's weakest areas and take advantage of their strengths. At first it looked like they had our number and then we got on a roll. I would guess if those two teams played 10 times it would be a 50-50 ordeal as the teams were pretty evenly matched.
The other question I have is you are always making suppositions you have no way to prove - Riley working the phone for Vincent and other stuff. Do facts ever get in your way? Like, what is really the truth, what really happened or is it just better to have an opinion that elevates someone and call it fact? Then the excuse is we are all in this to watch Riley fail. Some of us are in this to watch the team get better in reality, not in someones mind. I don't care how many close games there were, that is for losers, it is about wins and loses and that is how a coach is ultimately judged. You can come up with all of the sweet sounding platitudes but it doesn't mean a thing if the team doesn't win. Until further time, this team will have to show they can do that both from the coaching and players.
Just seemed weird for a guy that stated that he doesn't following recruiting that closely to be bringing up the ranking so often in the last week. Especially where the topic of the current recruiting ranking really didn't come up in this thread, other than a passing mention of the current class. Seemed agenda driven. Then, with your reference to worries about other's pushing agendas in other ways. Well, maybe I connected dots a little too far apart. Sorry, if that's the case.
Yet people seem to think Lang's is having Tommy throw the ball up for grabs by design???
Nebraska was better then UCLA and we played as team. You don't pound a team like that when you're evenly matched.
You need to quit questioning my super secret undercover moles.RollingLaugh
No, I don't think that is what people are saying - I really don't know what they are THINKING like you appear to do. They are saying Tommy needs to take better care of the ball and when he does the team is better. This is evidenced in the UCLA game.
Yes, I question the moles in your head. They are talking to you way too much!
I watched one Michigan game this last year. The announcers stated that Harbaugh had modified his passing game to fit Ruddock. The announcers claimed that on passing plays the receiver routes would take the receivers to be all on the same side of the field. Ruddock had trouble seeing the whole field, making progressions over the whole field. Was it true? I don't know if Harbaugh intentionally made this happen, but as I watched the game, the receivers did end up on the same side of the field. Maybe some of the Michigan fans that frequent this board can discount or support this?
One size does not definitely fit all, and the consequence of believing contrary is a loss (in our case multiple losses). No matter how well conceived a play, you have to have the right personnel to run it. There is no reason to serve up our weaknesses on a silver platter.
You got all this from what I wrote? You are an interesting fellow.
You can call BS all you want......you're trying make an excuse for Riley.
So it was Tommy's fault Bo was fired...or was it Bo's fault?........So if Tommy isn't the reason we are 500...you gonna blame Tommy's lack of leadership, or the coaches.
Until Riley showed up, Armstrong was improving each year statistically and had a pretty decent win loss record.
Leadership starts at the top. Then filters down to the players.
51.9% freshmen year, 53.3% sophomore year, 55.2% junior year. And his last season, he attempted around 20% more than the previous season.
That's improvement, under Riley, carry on.
Not sure if you were replying to me or not, but the standard rule of thumb is 4-5 years a coach is given at the high school and college level. The exception would be if there was no sign of improvement or at the college level, serious issues with recruiting or other major problems like control/conduct. Employment can be shorter.
A coach needs a chance to bring in recruits and get his system of play in at the college level. High school, sometimes you have to start building at lower grade levels. As we saw this past season, sometimes you have to flush or graduate upperclassman, or those still loyal to the old staff. It happens in high schools as well. If the program is in good shape talent wise, like Michigan and Ohio State were when Harbaugh and Urban Meyer took over, the re-building process is much less difficult, quicker.
Don't waist you breath with facts on the haters. The only fact that matters is Mike Riley has forgot more about being a good coach then you know who.
I think the honey moon phase ended the second BYU caught the hail mary. I remain skeptical but have become more optimistic based on the current recruiting class. I've said before that if I have hope things will improve then I'll keep my mouth shut. This class has some real promise, they're still in on several big time players and frankly it's a reason enough for me to say bring on year 3 regardless of record this year.
With that being said, if the defense sucks again this year then more changes should be made on that side of the ball. Holding Hank Hughes accountable for the disappointing defensive line play a year ago was something I was hoping to see but not expecting. I don't expect miracles in this stage of the rebuild. Just don't totally suck and bring on year 3.
With that being said, if the defense sucks again this year then more changes should be made on that side of the ball. Holding Hank Hughes accountable for the disappointing defensive line play a year ago was something I was hoping to see but not expecting. I don't expect miracles in this stage of the rebuild. Just don't totally suck and bring on year 3.
Oh, so completion percentage isn't a statistic, gotcha!
Passing yards per game must not be a statistic either.
2013 - 107.3
2014 - 207.3
2015 - 252.5
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jeans15 said:
Sometimes it's best just to eat your words, and move on.
Armstrong win % as a starter, which is another statistic.
2013 - .875
2014 - .692
That's not improvement.
Not necessarily, but he did say "Until Riley showed up." which means Pelini years.
This shouldn't be difficult.
Correct, it should not. So 2015 stats should not be involved,right. Or do you get it both ways?
All stats are involved, before and after, as I've posted.
@jeans15 was wrong with his statement, it's okay, everyone is human.
You guys sound like goofs...if any of you are trying to pretend like last year's huskers team look good in any way shape or form you're crazy. So stop pretending like they did. Let's just hope this year they look better than a horribly coached bo team
The team did look good, many times, it's unfortunate you can't recognize that in your vacuum point of view. It's also unfortunate you're not interested in discussing topics within the thread and instead, try to pound a gavel as if you're the authority of anything Huskers related. Thank goodness you're not.
It seems you're looking for attention with the above, shame on me for giving in. One times enough, lesson learned.
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