midpoint of SEC season

[Quincy A. Wagstaff]

2019: 31-6, 10-5 (#6 national seed, CWS)
2021: 27-8, 10-5
2017: 25-13, 10-5 (Super Regional)
2013: 30-9, 8-7 (CWS runner-up)
2016: 24-12-1, 8-7 (SEC champions, #6 national seed, Super Regional)
2011: 22-14, 6-9 (Super Regional)
2012: 21-15, 5-10 (SEC Tournament champions)
2018: 19-18, 5-10 (CWS)

 

[Russ Wheeler]

We absolutely have the 'type' of team that would win the CWS. Very good, but not stacked, and it's a year when you don't really expect it. Ask Florida 2017, who had flopped over and over and over and then a random, decent teams goes and wins it. Go back and look at history since the current format started (2006), how many of the truly loaded teams actually won it? LSU 2009, Oregon State 2018, Vandy 2019. 3 of 14, just over 20%. Just because you are a national seed doesn't mean you're loaded, and by loaded, I'm really talking about the lineup. South Carolina 2011 and Florida 2017 were national seeds, but by no means loaded and feared from a national perspective.

We were loaded in 2016 and 2019, and faltered. We would have been considered the same last year too, and I don't think we'd have gotten it done. I mean look at 1985, Jeff Brantley said it best, "We had 4 MLB All-Stars, Miami didn't have an MLB player". We had like 3 pitchers that year, Brantley/Morgan/Thigpen.

Funny that they didn't have much TJ in those days.

 

[MSUDC11]

For whatever reason I feel like you’re more likely to see State or Florida play for a national title this year before you see Vandy or Arkansas. I just don’t know if Arkansas’s pitching is really built for the postseason and we’re already starting to see a few chinks in Vandy’s armor.

Of course it all depends on who is playing well in June. I do think our roster is built to go a long way. Is this the best team we’ve ever had? Highly doubt it. But I feel like we are really good in the right places.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

For whatever reason I feel like you’re more likely to see State or Florida play for a national title this year before you see Vandy or Arkansas. I just don’t know if Arkansas’s pitching is really built for the postseason and we’re already starting to see a few chinks in Vandy’s armor.

Of course it all depends on who is playing well in June. I do think our roster is built to go a long way. Is this the best team we’ve ever had? Highly doubt it. But I feel like we are really good in the right places.

Vandy/Arkansas/Ole Miss' starting pitchers are going to be worn down by June, bank on that.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Pitcher	Team	IP
Hoglund	UM	56
Leiter	VU	55.1
Rocker	VU	55
McLeod	MSU	41.1
Nikhazy	UM	38.2
Pallette	Ark	37.2
Diamond	UM	37.1
Lockhart	Ark	37
McDaniel	UM	36.1
Fristoe	MSU	35.1
Wicklander	Ark	34
Vermillion	Ark	33
Bednar	MSU	33
Schultz	VU	30.1
Reilly	VU	20

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</tbody>

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Vandy/Arkansas/Ole Miss' starting pitchers are going to be worn down by June, bank on that.

I'd buy that with the way they've been used up to the mid-point of the conference season. They are all a stronger and have better stuff than our three starters. But Lemonis has done a pretty good job of protecting our guys, since we seem to have the the deepest and best bullpen in the country.

Hopefully our starters will continue to get better and stronger.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

I'd buy that with the way they've been used up to the mid-point of the conference season. They are all a stronger and have better stuff than our three starters. But Lemonis has done a pretty good job of protecting our guys, since we seem to have the the deepest and best bullpen in the country.

Hopefully our starters will continue to get better and stronger.

That’s easier to do when your bullpen isn’t giving up a batting average over .300 and an ERA around 6.00, lol. Our current strategy is Hoglund give us 7, Doug give us 7, McDaniel give us 6, and if not then OH ****

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Pitcher	Team	IP
Hoglund	UM	56
Leiter	VU	55.1
Rocker	VU	55
McLeod	MSU	41.1
Nikhazy	UM	38.2
Pallette	Ark	37.2
Diamond	UM	37.1
Lockhart	Ark	37
McDaniel	UM	36.1
Fristoe	MSU	35.1
Wicklander	Ark	34
Vermillion	Ark	33
Bednar	MSU	33
Schultz	VU	30.1
Reilly	VU	20

<tbody>
</tbody>

I can play too. We're only talking Rocker/Leiter, Hoglund/Nikhazy, and McCleod/Bednar. You got me on Arkansas I guess, you'll probably consider that some victory, guess I should have checked before lumping them in. Secondly, IP is just one stat, have to look at total pitches or BF, which they rarely post except in the box score.

Rocker/Leiter, not even close.

Hoglund is with them. Nikhazy sat out a few starts I think, and threw 122 (!!!!) pitches Saturday in a blowout.

That crap is criminal.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

That’s easier to do when your bullpen isn’t giving up a batting average over .300 and an ERA around 6.00, lol. Our current strategy is Hoglund give us 7, Doug give us 7, McDaniel give us 6, and if not then OH ****

Going over 100 pitches just isn't right. MLB doesn't do that. I understand the need to win but man.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

Going over 100 pitches just isn't right. MLB doesn't do that. I understand the need to win but man.

MLB does it constantly. It’s went down some, but it happens all the time. The average number of pitches for an MLB starter who goes 5+ innings, while declining, is still around 100. And that’s the average. But, to your point, it has declined some. However, part of the decline in average pitches per game, by starter, is also being driven down by teams like Tampa Bay who are using “openers”. Plus the strong emphasis now placed on bullpens. So, while I agree with you that I wish we threw them a little less, let’s be fair about it, and not skew the discussion as if we are some crazy outlier. Heck, Corbin’s entire recruiting reputation is based around him taking care of pro prospects, and he’s throwing his guys just as much. And the reason he is, is because like Ole Miss, his bullpen isn’t great. MSU’s bullpen is, which you’re 100% right, that will help y’all come postseason play.

It’s also very easy to say “I understand the need to win” when it’s not your team throwing the guys. These SEC games are super important. And when it’s a one run game in the 6th and your starter is cruising, it’s not an easy decision to run pull him. But it is made easier if you pull him for Preston Johnson and Landon Sims.

The big thing I takeaway from this is it appears that Lemonis and Fauxhall (sp?) have recruited more towards the modern game and made sure to build a deep bullpen. And kudos to them for that, it’s certainly going to be a competitive advantage for MSU down the stretch and come postseason play.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

MLB does it constantly. It’s went down some, but it happens all the time. The average number of pitches for an MLB starter who goes 5+ innings, while declining, is still around 100. And that’s the average. But, to your point, it has declined some. However, part of the decline in average pitches per game, by starter, is also being driven down by teams like Tampa Bay who are using “openers”. Plus the strong emphasis now placed on bullpens. So, while I agree with you that I wish we threw them a little less, let’s be fair about it, and not skew the discussion as if we are some crazy outlier. Heck, Corbin’s entire recruiting reputation is based around him taking care of pro prospects, and he’s throwing his guys just as much. And the reason he is, is because like Ole Miss, his bullpen isn’t great. MSU’s bullpen is, which you’re 100% right, that will help y’all come postseason play.

It’s also very easy to say “I understand the need to win” when it’s not your team throwing the guys. These SEC games are super important. And when it’s a one run game in the 6th and your starter is cruising, it’s not an easy decision to run pull him. But it is made easier if you pull him for Preston Johnson and Landon Sims.

The big thing I takeaway from this is it appears that Lemonis and Fauxhall (sp?) have recruited more towards the modern game and made sure to build a deep bullpen. And kudos to them for that, it’s certainly going to be a competitive advantage for MSU down the stretch and come postseason play.

You might be right if you were talking to the average fan, but I'm a big pitch count guy. Especially in this era of velo. It's an objective measure that really cannot be argued with Vandy's and Ole Miss' 2 starters all throw 90+. Throwing them over 100 pitches in college isn't good. Maaaaybe Nikhazy can do it, because he's not throwing gas all the time, but extending max effort guys like the others, can't be done.

Corbin makes them long toss, big deal. If he's honestly trying to act like he doesn't ride pitchers, that's laughable.

In this case, it is not MSU homerism. I did not like when Cohen rode guys back in the early days either. You're talking to a guy that pulled his kids out of travel ball due to it too.

I mean if you are in a national championship situation, and you need some guys to be dogs, that's one thing. But we are at midseason. But even then, remember what Pat Casey did to that dude Abel? CRIMINAL, and he had TJ shortly thereafter. You KNOW he had somebody that could have gone game 3 and if not, well, maybe Arkansas deserved to win the title. I've seen this crap at every level, high school, everywhere. At least they are being paid in the MLB. I hate those coaches that do that. The evidence is CLEAR.

 

[GloryDawg]

MLB does it constantly. It’s went down some, but it happens all the time. The average number of pitches for an MLB starter who goes 5+ innings, while declining, is still around 100. And that’s the average. But, to your point, it has declined some. However, part of the decline in average pitches per game, by starter, is also being driven down by teams like Tampa Bay who are using “openers”. Plus the strong emphasis now placed on bullpens. So, while I agree with you that I wish we threw them a little less, let’s be fair about it, and not skew the discussion as if we are some crazy outlier. Heck, Corbin’s entire recruiting reputation is based around him taking care of pro prospects, and he’s throwing his guys just as much. And the reason he is, is because like Ole Miss, his bullpen isn’t great. MSU’s bullpen is, which you’re 100% right, that will help y’all come postseason play.

It’s also very easy to say “I understand the need to win” when it’s not your team throwing the guys. These SEC games are super important. And when it’s a one run game in the 6th and your starter is cruising, it’s not an easy decision to run pull him. But it is made easier if you pull him for Preston Johnson and Landon Sims.

The big thing I takeaway from this is it appears that Lemonis and Fauxhall (sp?) have recruited more towards the modern game and made sure to build a deep bullpen. And kudos to them for that, it’s certainly going to be a competitive advantage for MSU down the stretch and come postseason play.

Over pitching a professional who is already making millions and will be paid if he gets hurt being over pitched is way different than pitching a guy who isn't getting paid but if he doesn't throw his arm out will. College pitchers should not be abused. He is not going to bring himself out of the game. It is up to the coaches to do that.

 

[thekimmer]

I can play too. We're only talking Rocker/Leiter, Hoglund/Nikhazy, and McCleod/Bednar. You got me on Arkansas I guess, you'll probably consider that some victory, guess I should have checked before lumping them in. Secondly, IP is just one stat, have to look at total pitches or BF, which they rarely post except in the box score.

Rocker/Leiter, not even close.

Hoglund is with them. Nikhazy sat out a few starts I think, and threw 122 (!!!!) pitches Saturday in a blowout.

That crap is criminal.

We will find out on Sat if Nikhazy suffers any from the extended outing. Fatigue might also explain why Rocker and Leiter looked utterly unhittable for two months then lost a game each within a two week span. It is apparent that vandy's pitching depth is suspect as they have gone 3-3 in game three with the current weekend rotation (W Miz, LSU, TN. L OK, USC, UGA)

 

[patdog]

There's very little over-pitching MLB players. The team's investment is way too big to take that risk. The simple fact is a decent starting pitcher should be able to routinely go 100 pitches, and an occasional 120 pitch outing isn't going to hurt anyone.

 

[Drebin]

You might be right if you were talking to the average fan, but I'm a big pitch count guy. Especially in this era of velo. It's an objective measure that really cannot be argued with Vandy's and Ole Miss' 2 starters all throw 90+. Throwing them over 100 pitches in college isn't good. Maaaaybe Nikhazy can do it, because he's not throwing gas all the time, but extending max effort guys like the others, can't be done.

Corbin makes them long toss, big deal. If he's honestly trying to act like he doesn't ride pitchers, that's laughable.

In this case, it is not MSU homerism. I did not like when Cohen rode guys back in the early days either. You're talking to a guy that pulled his kids out of travel ball due to it too.

I mean if you are in a national championship situation, and you need some guys to be dogs, that's one thing. But we are at midseason. But even then, remember what Pat Casey did to that dude Abel? CRIMINAL, and he had TJ shortly thereafter. You KNOW he had somebody that could have gone game 3 and if not, well, maybe Arkansas deserved to win the title. I've seen this crap at every level, high school, everywhere. At least they are being paid in the MLB. I hate those coaches that do that. The evidence is CLEAR.

Pitch counts are overrated. It's maybe the most overrated measure in baseball. Not all pitchers are the same, so they should not all have similar pitch counts. Some have the body to handle north of 110 pitches. Some don't. Some guys are max effort guys and some aren't. The biggest thing to me that nobody can seem to answer is why we separate pitches from throws. A pitcher is supposed to throw 100 pitches and then clock out, but what about the five to seven warmup pitches between every inning and the 30 he threw before the game? What about pickoff throws? What about all the bullpen sessions between starts? Some people say that live pitching stresses the arm differently than warm up pitches or pickoff moves, and I submit that this is rubbish. Most starting pitchers throw at 80-85% capacity on the majority of their pitches and only dial it up occasionally.

I understand the theory of pitch counts and I'm not against them for certain types of pitchers. But I don't think it's coincidental that the decline in number of pitches is inversely proportional to the number of tommy john cases.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

I wasn't trying to "play." You mentioned expecting staffs to break down and I got curious so I looked them up. Thought they were interesting enough to post. I actually looked for pitch count numbers as well but didn't see them. I agree that plays a part, but I suspect for most of these guys you could guess about 13-14 pitches per inning and be in the ballpark. You may resume being the expert on everything now. I'll show myself out.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Most starting pitchers throw at 80-85% capacity on the majority of their pitches and only dial it up occasionally

This quote is where we diverge. Across baseball velo has become the teachable result, and kids are throwing harder because VeLo!!11 This is why kids are straining, and they are being taught to do this. Again, that's why I mentioned Doug Nikhazy above, he probably doesn't have near the stress on his elbow that the others do.

Because of the training done nowadays, nobody has the flawless mechanics of a Pedro Martinez. But they also don't have the natural arm. So I'm not saying that getting your velo up in an unnatural way is bad per se, if it gets you paid. I'm just saying that it WILL get you hurt, especially if you throw a lot.

Regular throws don't near as much because you're using the body more. To say all this is "rubbish" is idiotic. We can disagree if you want, but there's too much information to call it rubbish and you know that.

ETA: The reason we separate pitches from throws is that it is an OBJECTIVE measure. You have to average out the warmups and pickoffs are roughly the same throughout. These are all average statistics. 100 is where MLB has chosen that fatigue occurs, from many years of statistics.

 

[Drebin]

Here is why we diverge: There's a lot that goes into what creates velocity. It's not brute arm strength. In fact, arm strength is only a part of the measure.

Most guys today create additional velocity through lower half mechanics. Simple things like lengthening a stride can add 2 or 3 mph. Jacob deGrom is a great example of this. His average fastball velo this year is 99.4 but he will tell you that he is throwing at 80-85% He's increased his velocity through mechanics and good fundies. And he's proven this because he's hit 102 a few times this year when he's had to reach back for more. He throws up to 110 pitches most starts, and throws just as hard in the sixth as he does in the first. I'm picking on deGrom, but this is true for most of the starters in the game.

You are closer to correct on relievers...they are usually max effort, but as you get into pro ball, those guys rarely throw more than an inning or two, and rarely throw more than 30 pitches in a single inning. Starters are different. All the way down to 10U USSSA...pitchers are taught to leave a little in the tank. If a coach wants a kid throwing harder, a good coach is going to do that through improving mechanics in his lower half.

 

[MSUDC11]

Pitcher	Team	IP
Hoglund	UM	56
Leiter	VU	55.1
Rocker	VU	55
McLeod	MSU	41.1
Nikhazy	UM	38.2
Pallette	Ark	37.2
Diamond	UM	37.1
Lockhart	Ark	37
McDaniel	UM	36.1
Fristoe	MSU	35.1
Wicklander	Ark	34
Vermillion	Ark	33
Bednar	MSU	33
Schultz	VU	30.1
Reilly	VU	20

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</tbody>

With Vandy I think they might be overworking Rocker and Leiter. With Arkansas it’s not an over-use issue, I just don’t think their pitching is very good outside of Kopps. We unfortunately played them at a point where our bats were ice cold.

 

[Yim Yames]

MLB does it constantly. It’s went down some, but it happens all the time. The average number of pitches for an MLB starter who goes 5+ innings, while declining, is still around 100. And that’s the average. But, to your point, it has declined some. However, part of the decline in average pitches per game, by starter, is also being driven down by teams like Tampa Bay who are using “openers”. Plus the strong emphasis now placed on bullpens. So, while I agree with you that I wish we threw them a little less, let’s be fair about it, and not skew the discussion as if we are some crazy outlier. Heck, Corbin’s entire recruiting reputation is based around him taking care of pro prospects, and he’s throwing his guys just as much. And the reason he is, is because like Ole Miss, his bullpen isn’t great. MSU’s bullpen is, which you’re 100% right, that will help y’all come postseason play.

Where are you getting your stats regarding MLB pitches per game? From what I can tell, in 2020 there were only 6 pitchers who averaged 100 pitches or more per game, and they were all veteran pitchers (including your boy Lance Lynn) who have proven over their careers that they can handle high pitch counts. http://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/player-stat/pitches-per-game

If you pay attention to the MLB, you know that younger pitchers are extremely limited in both pitch counts and total innings per season. This has become more and more prevalent in the past 5 years or so. In fact, in 2020 only three pitchers under the age of 25 averaged more than 80 pitches per game: Brady Singer (89.2), Jesus Luzardo (76.6), and Julio Urias (73.1).

Now, whether there is an actual statistical link between past workload and injury risk is another matter. The science seems to be conflicted on the issue. I am sure that Ole Miss' conditioning staff has considered all available info and has made the decision that their guys are safe consistently throwing over 100 pitches per game. But to say that "the MLB does it constantly" is just not true. It's pretty clear that MLB teams are making a concerted effort to limit the workload on young pitchers, even if that means not having those young pitchers available in the postseason in some cases.

 

[hogfan14]

With Vandy I think they might be overworking Rocker and Leiter. With Arkansas it’s not an over-use issue, I just don’t think their pitching is very good outside of Kopps. We unfortunately played them at a point where our bats were ice cold.

Wicklander's ERA is 2.38 so he's been pretty solid. One of Arkansas fans' gripes about Van Horn is not letting the starters go long enough. On Sunday against Texas A&M, Lockhart gave up 3 runs in 3 innings...then he was pulled and the bullpen gave up 8 runs the rest of the game. The game before that, Pallette had given up ZERO runs and ZERO walks and was pulled after 73 pitches in the 6th inning.

Guess he's trying to save them for later in the season but it's frustrating losing by one run on Sunday after that.

 

[Drebin]

Wicklander's ERA is 2.38 so he's been pretty solid. One of Arkansas fans' gripes about Van Horn is not letting the starters go long enough. On Sunday against Texas A&M, Lockhart gave up 3 runs in 3 innings...then he was pulled and the bullpen gave up 8 runs the rest of the game. The game before that, Pallette had given up ZERO runs and ZERO walks and was pulled after 73 pitches in the 6th inning.

Guess he's trying to save them for later in the season but it's frustrating losing by one run on Sunday after that.

The new baseball fad among coaches today is not total pitches, but number of "ups" or "up-downs." A lot of coaches now don't want a pitcher to sit down after an inning and get up to pitch a new inning more than six times in a game. Your boy Van Horn is a big proponent if this...which is why he probably pulled Pallette after six innings.

And I don't really see any rationale for it. It's like guys used to say about Tony LaRussa...yeah, he was a great manager, and he was known for his intellect. But sometimes he has a tendency to outsmart himself. The same holds true for a lot of these analytical decisions made in the game today.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

Here is why we diverge: There's a lot that goes into what creates velocity. It's not brute arm strength. In fact, arm strength is only a part of the measure.

Most guys today create additional velocity through lower half mechanics. Simple things like lengthening a stride can add 2 or 3 mph. Jacob deGrom is a great example of this. His average fastball velo this year is 99.4 but he will tell you that he is throwing at 80-85% He's increased his velocity through mechanics and good fundies. And he's proven this because he's hit 102 a few times this year when he's had to reach back for more. He throws up to 110 pitches most starts, and throws just as hard in the sixth as he does in the first. I'm picking on deGrom, but this is true for most of the starters in the game.

You are closer to correct on relievers...they are usually max effort, but as you get into pro ball, those guys rarely throw more than an inning or two, and rarely throw more than 30 pitches in a single inning. Starters are different. All the way down to 10U USSSA...pitchers are taught to leave a little in the tank. If a coach wants a kid throwing harder, a good coach is going to do that through improving mechanics in his lower half.

Dude, Degrom had TJ, he's got a new ligament. That's what we are trying to avoid.

Fundamentals, if you can call them that, that give you more velo, are the main culprits in this deal. Then the more you throw, the more at risk you are.

 

[Drebin]

Dude, Degrom had TJ, he's got a new ligament. That's what we are trying to avoid.

Fundamentals, if you can call them that, that give you more velo, are the main culprits in this deal. Then the more you throw, the more at risk you are.

deGrom had TJ surgery 11 years ago, when he was a SS in rookie ball.

Your last statement proves you should be sitting this discussion out. Those fundamentals allow you to throw with less stress on your arm, thereby minimizing the risk for injury.

But what the hell do I know? I've only been coaching pitchers for 25 years.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

deGrom had TJ surgery 11 years ago, when he was a SS in rookie ball.

Your last statement proves you should be sitting this discussion out. Those fundamentals allow you to throw with less stress on your arm, thereby minimizing the risk for injury.

But what the hell do I know? I've only been coaching pitchers for 25 years.

I'm making fun of the typical idiotic fundamentals taught today to increase velocity. Obviously there are plenty of things that can be done to tune up the whole body. Proper throwing mechanics have been the same since the beginning, they don't change. You got it or you don't, and when you get beyond yourself, you are in trouble.

Funny you're telling me to sit this one out, I've got plenty of knowledge here. I recall you telling me I was an idiot or something for challenging the merits of fall baseball too. Daddyball travel coaching don't make you a coach. Going further, many coaches can still be idiots and get hired as coaches, most of the time the skill needed (or thought to be needed) is playing experience and the gift of gab. I did notice that you edited that part out about TJ being something you have to do to make it, that was a good idea.

Either way, it's pretty clear we will disagree here. I'm going to continue to watch pitch counts for the kids I'm involved with, I put my money where my mouth is, at the expense of winning. If I lose, it's because I didn't develop them properly or didn't make the right move. But I won't extend them.

I just wish college coaches would do the same. Ben McDonald would agree, though he'd never say it publicly because you can't criticize Saint Bertman.

 

[Drebin]

I'm making fun of the typical idiotic fundamentals taught today to increase velocity. Obviously there are plenty of things that can be done to tune up the whole body. Proper throwing mechanics have been the same since the beginning, they don't change. You got it or you don't, and when you get beyond yourself, you are in trouble.

Funny you're telling me to sit this one out, I've got plenty of knowledge here. I recall you telling me I was an idiot or something for challenging the merits of fall baseball too. Daddyball travel coaching don't make you a coach. Going further, many coaches can still be idiots and get hired as coaches, most of the time the skill needed (or thought to be needed) is playing experience and the gift of gab. I did notice that you edited that part out about TJ being something you have to do to make it, that was a good idea.

Either way, it's pretty clear we will disagree here. I'm going to continue to watch pitch counts for the kids I'm involved with, I put my money where my mouth is, at the expense of winning.

Daddy ball coach? That's funny.

 

[anonymous.sixpack]

I'm making fun of the typical idiotic fundamentals taught today to increase velocity. Obviously there are plenty of things that can be done to tune up the whole body. Proper throwing mechanics have been the same since the beginning, they don't change. You got it or you don't, and when you get beyond yourself, you are in trouble.

Funny you're telling me to sit this one out, I've got plenty of knowledge here. I recall you telling me I was an idiot or something for challenging the merits of fall baseball too. Daddyball travel coaching don't make you a coach. Going further, many coaches can still be idiots and get hired as coaches, most of the time the skill needed (or thought to be needed) is playing experience and the gift of gab. I did notice that you edited that part out about TJ being something you have to do to make it, that was a good idea.

Either way, it's pretty clear we will disagree here. I'm going to continue to watch pitch counts for the kids I'm involved with, I put my money where my mouth is, at the expense of winning. If I lose, it's because I didn't develop them properly or didn't make the right move. But I won't extend them.

I just wish college coaches would do the same. Ben McDonald would agree, though he'd never say it publicly because you can't criticize Saint Bertman.

Spoken like a true over-the-top Little League coach.

Poor kids.

 

[anonymous.sixpack]

deGrom had TJ surgery 11 years ago, when he was a SS in rookie ball.

Your last statement proves you should be sitting this discussion out. Those fundamentals allow you to throw with less stress on your arm, thereby minimizing the risk for injury.

But what the hell do I know? I've only been coaching pitchers for 25 years.

In Little League dad’s defense, he did admit he’s not an average baseball fan. Left out the below part but that goes without saying anyway.

 

[Drebin]

Spoken like a true over-the-top Little League coach.

Poor kids.

It's kinda funny he name drops Ben McDonald, like he's got him on speed dial or something. If Ben could join this thread, he would say that since these college starters only pitch once every seven days, it's no big deal for them to extend over 100 pitches if they have it rolling.

His takes are almost as amusing as the mental image of him sitting on a bucket with a clicker keeping track of how many 40 mph palm balls his nine year old is throwing because he doesn't want to overextend him.