Stupidest rule in baseball...

[thekimmer]

The dropped strike three. Yes I do bring that up every time. Don’t care. Dumb rule.

 

[wsjmsu75]

Tuned out an hour ago. Sure hope we have a better day tomorrow. Who will they start? I assume we'll start Fristoe.

 

[thekimmer]

Tuned out an hour ago. Sure hope we have a better day tomorrow. Who will they start? I assume we'll start Fristoe.

McDaniel is the name I heard.

 

[MSUDC11]

Tuned out an hour ago. Sure hope we have a better day tomorrow. Who will they start? I assume we'll start Fristoe.

They are starting Drew McDaniel, been mostly a midweek starter but has good numbers. He’s a step down from Hoglund and Nikhazy but good enough to give us problems.

 

[Apoplectic_Objurgator]

The dropped strike three. Yes I do bring that up every time. Don’t care. Dumb rule.

makes sense to me - you have to be able to hold the ball to complete the out - like other plays in the field

 

[ronpolk]

The dropped strike three. Yes I do bring that up every time. Don’t care. Dumb rule.

Every out has to actually have a catch. If the CF has a ball hit his glove then pop out, it’s not a catch. The catch is completing the play for the out. I don’t understand how that’s dumb?

 

[Hump4Hoops]

Brought up every time, and completely wrong.

Bunt a ball foul with 2 strikes? Out.
Infield fly? Out.
Interference? Out.
Runner passes the guy in front of him? Out.

Even more relevant, dropped strike 3 but no where to put him? Out.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Bunt a ball foul with 2 strikes? Out.
Infield fly? Out.
Interference? Out.
Runner passes the guy in front of him? Out.

Even more relevant, dropped strike 3 but no where to put him? Out.

A dropped third strike with bases loaded is not an out.

 

[fieldcorporal]

Lotta rules in Beisbol may seem dumb, but most make sense if you think about them.

The "dropped third strike" rule is actual the confluence of a couple of rules (MLB here, but college same).

6.05 a batter is out (b) " a third strike is legally caught by the catcher". Kinda makes sense, no? Like a batter is out when a fly ball is caught by the centerfielder or a batter is out when a foul ball is caught.

So, If the third strike is not caught (not "dropped") what happens to that batter who is not out?

6.09 The batter becomes a runner when (b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing 1) first base is unoccupied or 2) first base is occupied with two out.

So, now we have a runner. How can that runner become safe or out? I'll leave that to you.

As far as the why of the "providing" above... Think infield fly.

While we're at it, let's talk "foul tip". "Caught foul tip" or "uncaught foul tip" is non-sensical. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply into the catchers mitt and is caught is, by definition, a "foul tip". It's a live ball, runners may advance at risk. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply and is not caught is not an "uncaught foul tip". It's a foul ball, just like the one that pops up to the backstop. For a foul ball to be a foul tip it must be caught, directly and sharply. If not it's just a foul ball.


Rules nerd here, sorry.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Bunt a ball foul with 2 strikes? Out.
Infield fly? Out.
Interference? Out.
Runner passes the guy in front of him? Out.

Even more relevant, dropped strike 3 but no where to put him? Out.

Drop a called third strike? Out.

Drop a first or second strike? No difference from catching it.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Not until the catcher steps on the plate

 

[fieldcorporal]

Or gets the force at any other base. Or tags the batter-runner or runner from third. Tagging any oth runner sets up a "timing play".

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Less than two outs it is.

 

[patdog]

It most definitely is an out unless there are 2 outs in the inning already. The original poster is right. Stupid rule.

 

[thekimmer]

Sorry still makes no sense...

Lotta rules in Beisbol may seem dumb, but most make sense if you think about them.

The "dropped third strike" rule is actual the confluence of a couple of rules (MLB here, but college same).

6.05 a batter is out (b) " a third strike is legally caught by the catcher". Kinda makes sense, no? Like a batter is out when a fly ball is caught by the centerfielder or a batter is out when a foul ball is caught.

So, If the third strike is not caught (not "dropped") what happens to that batter who is not out?

6.09 The batter becomes a runner when (b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing 1) first base is unoccupied or 2) first base is occupied with two out.

So, now we have a runner. How can that runner become safe or out? I'll leave that to you.

While we're at it, let's talk "foul tip". "Caught foul tip" or "uncaught foul tip" is non-sensical. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply into the catchers mitt and is caught is, by definition, a "foul tip". It's a live ball, runners may advance at risk. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply and is not caught is not an "uncaught foul tip". It's a foul ball, just like the one that pops up to the backstop. For a foul ball to be a foul tip it must be caught, directly and sharply. If not it's just a foul ball.


Rules nerd here, sorry.

You are right it doesn’t have to be dropped njust has to touch the ground and it’s in play like a fair ball that never touches fair territory. Stupid rule.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Less than two outs it is.

That wasn't a stip in the statement.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

A dropped third strike with bases loaded is not an out.

Yes he is, unless it’s two outs.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Yes he is, unless it’s two outs.

But that's not what was stated. Damn, reading comprehension people. If people are going to ***** about the rules, they should accurately & fully state the damn rules.

 

[ronpolk]

It most definitely is an out unless there are 2 outs in the inning already. The original poster is right. Stupid rule.

If first is occupied with less than 2 outs and the third stike is dropped it could create a double play opportunity for the defense. Drop the third strike, immediately throw to second then to first. The occupied base rule is in place to protect the offense, similar to infield fly rule.

 

[PineGroveBully]

I spent several of my late teen years working at a baseball field during summer leagues 20+ years ago. I bet I have explained how the infield fly rule actually protects the offense 1000 times and I think 1 mom and 4 dads out of a thousand halfway understood. Until I had to explain it again the next week. I’m not sure what hades is like but I’m pretty sure it involves having 50-60 parents that don’t know their *** from a hole in the ground yelling at the one person that had forgotten more baseball than they know as a collective. And that wasn’t a brag on my baseball knowledge as much as it was an indictment of theirs.

 

[fieldcorporal]

If first is occupied with less than 2 outs and the third stike is dropped it could create a double play opportunity for the defense. Drop the third strike, immediately throw to second then to first. The occupied base rule is in place to protect the offense, similar to infield fly rule.

Golf clap.

 

[cowbell88]

Lotta rules in Beisbol may seem dumb, but most make sense if you think about them.

The "dropped third strike" rule is actual the confluence of a couple of rules (MLB here, but college same).

6.05 a batter is out (b) " a third strike is legally caught by the catcher". Kinda makes sense, no? Like a batter is out when a fly ball is caught by the centerfielder or a batter is out when a foul ball is caught.

So, If the third strike is not caught (not "dropped") what happens to that batter who is not out?

6.09 The batter becomes a runner when (b) The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing 1) first base is unoccupied or 2) first base is occupied with two out.

So, now we have a runner. How can that runner become safe or out? I'll leave that to you.

As far as the why of the "providing" above... Think infield fly.

While we're at it, let's talk "foul tip". "Caught foul tip" or "uncaught foul tip" is non-sensical. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply into the catchers mitt and is caught is, by definition, a "foul tip". It's a live ball, runners may advance at risk. A foul ball that goes directly and sharply and is not caught is not an "uncaught foul tip". It's a foul ball, just like the one that pops up to the backstop. For a foul ball to be a foul tip it must be caught, directly and sharply. If not it's just a foul ball.


Rules nerd here, sorry.

The foul tip rule has always gotten me. Should be an out if catcher catches it in air regardless what strike count is.

Foul ball that’s off of catching equipment or umpire that is caught by catcher should also be an out. It penalizes catchers for having sub second reaction time or being just lucky.

 

[thekimmer]

Good point...

The foul tip rule has always gotten me. Should be an out if catcher catches it in air regardless what strike count is.

Foul ball that’s off of catching equipment or umpire that is caught by catcher should also be an out. It penalizes catchers for having sub second reaction time or being just lucky.

Seems that the batter gets the benefit of all those esoteric rules.

 

[fieldcorporal]

The foul tip rule has always gotten me. Should be an out if catcher catches it in air regardless what strike count is.

Foul ball that’s off of catching equipment or umpire that is caught by catcher should also be an out. It penalizes catchers for having sub second reaction time or being just lucky.

There is a remarkable sort of internal consistency to most of the rules. The uncaught third strike is mostly consistent with other defensive plays. That is, for an out to be recorded the defense must complete the play. In a 6-3 play it's not enough for the throw to beat the runner- 3 must catch the throw to complete the play and record the out. Why should the requirement between 1-2 be different on a 3rd str ike? Catcher must complete the play to record the ou t.

I'm with you on t he foul tip thing. A foul tip should be an out without regard to count imo. Just like a caught foul ball in the field is an out. And

 

[QuaoarsKing]

There is a remarkable sort of internal consistency to most of the rules. The uncaught third strike is mostly consistent with other defensive plays. That is, for an out to be recorded the defense must complete the play. In a 6-3 play it's not enough for the throw to beat the runner- 3 must catch the throw to complete the play and record the out. Why should the requirement between 1-2 be different on a 3rd str ike? Catcher must complete the play to record the ou t.

Because a batter who strikes out should take a walk of shame back to the dugout and should have no chance of getting on base that at-bat.

If you reach on an error, at least you made contact and put it in play.

That's just my opinion of course. I can't imagine changing this rule would make any significant impact on strategy or personnel decisions.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Infield fly rule needs to be tweaked. If the ball is not caught out, it counts as a single, all runners advance one base, and the ball is dead.

 

[fieldcorporal]

Yah. I hate the balk rules. I've studied them til I'm blue in the face and still not sure what's a balk.