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Russ Wheeler

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They just announced the Space Force HQ going to Huntsville. Nick Saban winning titles, bringing in huge amounts of out-of-state enrollees. Huge Toyota plant a few years ago. Airbus. Goes on and on.

ETA: They are also getting the F-35 program at Maxwell in Montgomery too, was announced a few years ago.

I don't know what MS can do to compete. But hey we got JUCO football and casinos.
 
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PirateDawg

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Huntsville makes the most sense! They have the infrastructure to support it there with Redstone Arsenal and the industry around it.
 

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They just announced the Space Force HQ going to Huntsville. Nick Saban winning titles, bringing in huge amounts of out-of-state enrollees. Huge Toyota plant a few years ago. Airbus. Goes on and on.

I don't know what MS can do to compete.


FBI placing a Regional Office on the arsenal as well, over 3K jobs.
 

JML105

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Best we can do is capitalize on their success by providing supporting/related infrastructure to what they are leading the charge on. In other words, don't try to compete with them, join them.

We have opened up a large Toyota plant since they have.
We have a Boeing facility now that also supports NASA/Space Force Missions. (We also have Lockheed, GE Aviation, Airbus, Northrup, Raytheon, Eaton Aerospace Facilities among others.)

We can grow if we collectively stop playing victim as a society and teach our kids that Mississippi can be a better place to live than elsewhere if we get off our porches and out of our comfort zone. Starts with education (I sure wish we could somehow do away with the private school system as it currently stands in this state) and people staying in the state after college graduation.
 

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They're reaping the benefits of newly elected US Senator, Tommy Tubberville.***
 

Russ Wheeler

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Best we can do is capitalize on their success by providing supporting/related infrastructure to what they are leading the charge on. In other words, don't try to compete with them, join them.

We have opened up a large Toyota plant since they have.
We have a Boeing facility now that also supports NASA/Space Force Missions. (We also have Lockheed, GE Aviation, Airbus, Northrup, Raytheon, Eaton Aerospace Facilities among others.)

We can grow if we collectively stop playing victim as a society and teach our kids that Mississippi can be a better place to live than elsewhere if we get off our porches and out of our comfort zone. Starts with education (I sure wish we could somehow do away with the private school system as it currently stands in this state) and people staying in the state after college graduation.
I agree with this. And it's not a horrible thing to have North Alabama (and Birmingham) nearby our campus as a legitimate area for alumni in STEM fields to locate. Still close enough to come to many MSU sporting events.

I'm not as concerned about schools, they are a symptom of the problem. There are many ways to 'educate'. Honestly I do think MS is on the right track, we've had a lot of small wins recently, need to keep building.
 

JML105

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I agree with this. And it's not a horrible thing to have North Alabama (and Birmingham) nearby our campus as a legitimate area for alumni in STEM fields to locate. Still close enough to come to many MSU sporting events.

I'm not as concerned about schools, they are a symptom of the problem. There are many ways to 'educate'. Honestly I do think MS is on the right track, we've had a lot of small wins recently, need to keep building.

Concerning schools, as long as our school systems remain essentially segregated, we will never break through. I don't know of any other state in which almost every county has a prominent private school that is 99% white, while their public schools are majority black. I don't know the answer, but I know this ain't helping matters at all.
 

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Huntsville makes the most sense! They have the infrastructure to support it there with Redstone Arsenal and the industry around it.

Yes, it does make sense. Redstone Arsenal is the perfect place for the Space Force - all the aerospace/defense contractors are already in place because of NASA and the Army, and the Arsenal has 40,000 acres of secure space. However - I wonder if the new administration might just cancel the entire Space Force, because it was initiated by the current administration if for no other reason. Plus, I've always wondered if we really need another branch of the military for space - being a subsidiary of the Air Force makes sense. But - it's good for this area so I'm all for it; assuming it goes forward, it has to be somewhere.
 

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They just announced the Space Force HQ going to Huntsville. Nick Saban winning titles, bringing in huge amounts of out-of-state enrollees. Huge Toyota plant a few years ago. Airbus. Goes on and on.

ETA: They are also getting the F-35 program at Maxwell in Montgomery too, was announced a few years ago.

I don't know what MS can do to compete. But hey we got JUCO football and casinos.

The Mazda/Toyota plant isn't open yet, but they're in the hiring and training phase. It's supposed to open this spring, but that may have been delayed by Covid (supplier issues).
 

Russ Wheeler

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Concerning schools, as long as our school systems remain essentially segregated, we will never break through. I don't know of any other state in which almost every county has a prominent private school that is 99% white, while their public schools are majority black. I don't know the answer, but I know this ain't helping matters at all.
It's not like those areas, which are all generally poor, are going to get an economic win anytime soon. UNLESS it's a metro area, in which case public schools don't matter as much, ask Nashville, private schools abound.
 

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Educated and trained work force. Educated and trained work force. Educated and trained work force. Repeat.
 

Ralph Cramden

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Concerning schools, as long as our school systems remain essentially segregated, we will never break through. I don't know of any other state in which almost every county has a prominent private school that is 99% white, while their public schools are majority black. I don't know the answer, but I know this ain't helping matters at all.

Maybe having public schools that actually teach the 3 Rs correctly would be a start. Graduating kids that can't read is not a big advantage
 

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MSU is pretty big in this area. Huge alumni base (I've heard 2500 active members), and each year the Huntsville/Decatur area has close to 100 entering freshmen going to MSU. Most are engineering students.
 

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They just announced the Space Force HQ going to Huntsville. Nick Saban winning titles, bringing in huge amounts of out-of-state enrollees. Huge Toyota plant a few years ago. Airbus. Goes on and on.

ETA: They are also getting the F-35 program at Maxwell in Montgomery too, was announced a few years ago.

I don't know what MS can do to compete. But hey we got JUCO football and casinos.

So you're saying Saban is going to be the first to land a 5* recruit from the Moon or Mars?**
 

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My argument would be that it starts at home, and if most of the children that are fortunate enough to come from a home that has parents who are involved send their kids to private schools, then there aren't as many involved parents keeping public school admin in check as there would be if private schools didn't exist as they are today.

Examples:
You have a class of 20 1st graders. 15 of those students come from a home who has parents (or parent in most cases) that couldn't care less what is happening at school and the other 5 have involved parents. How do you think the majority of these students turn out?

Or you have a class of 20 1st graders made up of 12 students that have involved parents with 8 coming from uninvolved. I believe those twelve will tend to bring most of the 8 up to their standard by admin being held more accountable, and the benefit of the 8 having a better example to go by. Not to mention that there will be more funding coming in to public schools with the absence of so many private institutions.


Look at the districts where public schools are more prevalent like Brandon or Madison. Why are they doing so much better than smaller districts in our state?
 
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Yes, it does make sense. Redstone Arsenal is the perfect place for the Space Force - all the aerospace/defense contractors are already in place because of NASA and the Army, and the Arsenal has 40,000 acres of secure space. However - I wonder if the new administration might just cancel the entire Space Force, because it was initiated by the current administration if for no other reason. Plus, I've always wondered if we really need another branch of the military for space - being a subsidiary of the Air Force makes sense. But - it's good for this area so I'm all for it; assuming it goes forward, it has to be somewhere.

Huntsville is already considered a high value terrorist target because of the Arsenal. Now we’re trying to become a the first city to get blown up by aliens, too. Starting to get a little worried about property values around here.
 
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Concerning schools, as long as our school systems remain essentially segregated, we will never break through. I don't know of any other state in which almost every county has a prominent private school that is 99% white, while their public schools are majority black. I don't know the answer, but I know this ain't helping matters at all.

Have you been to Alabama? There are a lot of places like that there.
 

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They just announced the Space Force HQ going to Huntsville. Nick Saban winning titles, bringing in huge amounts of out-of-state enrollees. Huge Toyota plant a few years ago. Airbus. Goes on and on.

ETA: They are also getting the F-35 program at Maxwell in Montgomery too, was announced a few years ago.

I don't know what MS can do to compete. But hey we got JUCO football and casinos.

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My argument would be that it starts at home, and if most of the children that are fortunate enough to come from a home that has parents who are involved send their kids to private schools, then there aren't as many involved parents keeping public school admin in check as there would be if private schools didn't exist as they are today.

Examples:
You have a class of 20 1st graders. 15 of those students come from a home who has parents (or parent in most cases) that couldn't care less what is happening at school and the other 5 have involved parents. How do you think the majority of these students turn out?

Or you have a class of 20 1st graders made up of 12 students that have involved parents with 8 coming from uninvolved. I believe those twelve will tend to bring most of the 8 up to their standard by admin being held more accountable, and the benefit of the 8 having a better example to go by. Not to mention that there will be more funding coming in to public schools with the absence of so many private institutions.


Look at the districts where public schools are more prevalent like Brandon or Madison. Why are they doing so much better than smaller districts in our state?

You are sort of right but I would argue you the solution backwards. As you note, while there are exceptions, generally good schools are made by good students, who are made by good parents. And you need a critical mass of students coming from decent and good backgrounds for a school to function. But once you have lost a school, outside of the rarest of circumstances, you are not going to get good students to come back. If everybody that has the means to abandons a school (which happens for a lot of delta and Jackson schools), you can't get good students to come back, because even if you still have say 30% of the student population come from supportive homes that are just too poor to escape, you're not going to convince the equivalent of say another 30% of the school population to come back at once because they will worry that the school will still not be good.

So while it would be a solution if we got all the students with good backgrounds back into public schools, it's extremely hard if not impossible to accomplish. And in some places, even if you got all the students from good backgrounds into a school, it still wouldn't be enough to make the school functional.

A much more modest goal would just be making sure that no children were denied the opportunity to receive an adequate education in a safe environment just because their parents are poor. They might get left out because their parents are poor and don't care as much as other parents, but not just because they are poor and in a poor area. That's a tough sell politically because that usually means something like school choice, which more or less requires acknowledging that some students don't have access to an adequate education in a safe environment and you don't have a way to fix it. Many people if not a majority of people would rather fewer students escape bad situations than admit that they don't have a solution.
 

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You live in this area? I'm in Madison, but the Arsenal border is less than a half mile away.

It's beginning to look like anywhere in the US is a terrorist target ....
 

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I hope Huntsville and North Alabama continue to do well.

Since our Senators and Representatives are about to have zero power, I won't be surprised if the tide of the last few years changes direction

When I moved here 35 years ago, there were more commercial high tech related jobs. Now it is much more DoD/Space centric. A lot of manufacturing has moved in as well. Although Chrysler manufactured radios and transmission controllers here, so that may be a wash compared to the olden days.
 

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Mississippi competing with Alabama. Like when Columbus thought it would bypass Tupelo. Hahaha.

Btw Alabama is probably going to win the sec in men's basketball too.
 
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Concerning schools, as long as our school systems remain essentially segregated, we will never break through. I don't know of any other state in which almost every county has a prominent private school that is 99% white, while their public schools are majority black. I don't know the answer, but I know this ain't helping matters at all.

exact same thing next door in louisiana with the catholic schools
 

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Best we can do is capitalize on their success by providing supporting/related infrastructure to what they are leading the charge on. In other words, don't try to compete with them, join them.

We have opened up a large Toyota plant since they have.
We have a Boeing facility now that also supports NASA/Space Force Missions. (We also have Lockheed, GE Aviation, Airbus, Northrup, Raytheon, Eaton Aerospace Facilities among others.)

We can grow if we collectively stop playing victim as a society and teach our kids that Mississippi can be a better place to live than elsewhere if we get off our porches and out of our comfort zone. Starts with education (I sure wish we could somehow do away with the private school system as it currently stands in this state) and people staying in the state after college graduation.

 

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Mississippi can’t fill the jobs they have now...

If the manufacturers would put in more rural areas they would have an overflow for those jobs. A lot of people don't want to live around Jackson.

Most smaller towns lost all their manufacturers to NAFTA in the 90's.
 

RocketDawg

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There were several other manufacturing places too that are no longer open. The plant on the south end of town that made telephones (some other company is there now), the Saginaw plant on Hwy 31, near the new Mazda/Toyota plant, that made electronics for GM, and I think specifically for the Saturn, and a Dunlop tire plant near the airport that went belly-up. Like anywhere else, things are coming and going all the time.
 

RocketDawg

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Mississippi competing with Alabama. Like when Columbus thought it would bypass Tupelo. Hahaha.

Btw Alabama is probably going to win the sec in men's basketball too.

Yeah, they're pretty good. Looked really good beating UK last night. We play them in Tuscaloosa a week from Saturday, so maybe we can give them their first loss.
 

JML105

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You are sort of right but I would argue you the solution backwards. As you note, while there are exceptions, generally good schools are made by good students, who are made by good parents. And you need a critical mass of students coming from decent and good backgrounds for a school to function. But once you have lost a school, outside of the rarest of circumstances, you are not going to get good students to come back. If everybody that has the means to abandons a school (which happens for a lot of delta and Jackson schools), you can't get good students to come back, because even if you still have say 30% of the student population come from supportive homes that are just too poor to escape, you're not going to convince the equivalent of say another 30% of the school population to come back at once because they will worry that the school will still not be good.

So while it would be a solution if we got all the students with good backgrounds back into public schools, it's extremely hard if not impossible to accomplish. And in some places, even if you got all the students from good backgrounds into a school, it still wouldn't be enough to make the school functional.

A much more modest goal would just be making sure that no children were denied the opportunity to receive an adequate education in a safe environment just because their parents are poor. They might get left out because their parents are poor and don't care as much as other parents, but not just because they are poor and in a poor area. That's a tough sell politically because that usually means something like school choice, which more or less requires acknowledging that some students don't have access to an adequate education in a safe environment and you don't have a way to fix it. Many people if not a majority of people would rather fewer students escape bad situations than admit that they don't have a solution.

Well said.
 

JML105

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Have you been to Alabama? There are a lot of places like that there.

exact same thing next door in louisiana with the catholic schools

Mississippi
Population - 2,976,000
Private Schools - 255
Private School Students - 51,800

Alabama
Population - 4,903,000
Private Schools - 455
Private School Students - 81,399

Louisiana
Population - 4,649,000
Private Schools - 424
Private School Students - 127,844

I get why LA does with the Catholic schools. Likely less to do with 60’s integration laws than Mississippi’s private academy’s.
 

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That one of the main complaints I have heard about Space Command coming to HSV, along with increased traffic and the jobs the majority of jobs coming with Space Command will not be filled by local residents (IDK how true that is though).
 

The Maroon Pug

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Where is Chrysler's location at? I thought they left years ago and Remmington bought their facility? Now Remmington bailed and left town as well.
 
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