Keenum - I keep seeing posts about Academics
- Thread starter G-Dawg
- Start date
Our academics as usually measured are beyond our control. Keemun has no control over admission standards, nor does he control faculty compensation. Thank the people who thought segregated education was a great idea, and the fallout from THAT.
Look in to it. We have no control over who we admit. We have eight state supported universities. Four of them have no reason to exist anymore. That still would not give us control over who we admit.
Ratings, LOL. I can assure you if you apply yourself to your personal studies at MSU the sky is the limit. That applies anywhere actually. If you are relying on University ratings.....lol.
Perception matters. When searching for a university to attend, do you truly think standing (which ratings help establish) doesn’t matter to prospective students? I agree that success can happen irrespective of the university name on a diploma but there is a correlation between a higher number of high earning graduates and higher rated universities.
That said, Ole Miss operates under the same admission standings as MSU. Why has MSUs ratings dropped and theirs not as much?
That said, Ole Miss operates under the same admission standings as MSU. Why has MSUs ratings dropped and theirs not as much?
lol so something from 60 years ago is suddenly affecting academics? Please explain...
This.
My wife and I have talked about MSU rankings and challenges, but those existed 5, 10, 15, and 20 years ago too.
This afternoon MSU announced record attendance to just under 23,000 students and Ole Miss was down again. We are now larger than their Oxford campus + Med school combined. This is just as much a theme over the last several years as the academic rankings. Where kids would like to go to school seems tilted in MSU's favor when using Ole Miss as a benchmark. The "flagship" is flying at half mast when it comes to annual student enrollment and it's not a 1-off Covid issue
It was similar but State had more. 30 years ago when I entered MSU we had right around 12000 total students.
The problem is high schools are trying to push all kids to college. The state needs to encourage more trade skills at the high school level.
I guess this is neat and all, but it really seems like a fight that only a few people on message boards care about. Frankly, I doubt its even recognized as a key datapoint by anyone reviewing academics on a macro level.
Why would anyone ranking colleges give a **** that MSU has a few thousand more students than OM?
Why would anyone considering attending college from Colorado, Minnesota, or Ohio give a **** that MSU has a few thousand more students than OM?
This little brother syndrome about who is the flagship is just sad. Its a fight that is unimportant to basically everyone else and isnt even recognized as existing.
If a kid from Kansas sits down at the computer to look at colleges, googles 'flagship schools' and decides he will attend the flagship school based on what google comes up with- perhaps MSU is better off not having such a moron enrolled. This is especially true considering its absurd for anyone to blindly choose to attend a school just because its called a flagship school, when its in the most impoverished state that is in the mid-40s for education.
MSU and OM are both fantastic opportunities for education, but neither is getting by on prestige or overall ranking.
Yes they matter. Not only do you get better students but better recruiting by companies. Therefore better pay better long term prospects more giving to the university higher ranking better academics better students it’s a cycle. That’s the crux of the problem. Yes there are outliers who do well but average Jane and Joe need to start out well to have a better chance any finishing well. Please I get it you can do well I have but I want more ex students doing well
The president and his or her priorities has a huge impact on academics, if they have time and board support. If a president or chancellor commits to improving the academic profile, the first thing their going to do is clean house of unproductive faculty, increase tenure requirements, and go out and spend the money to bring in some whales who already have big grants and know how to write more.
That attracts better faculty and grad students, so you continue to see higher level of grants and awards. That attracts more out of state students, grad and undergrad, who are cash cows for a state university. Those students also improve the student academic profile. Faculty quality, student quality, grants on the books, and money in the bank are all big parts of the college rankings.
A great example is University of TN. Jimmy Cheek was chancellor there for almost a decade, and had a massive impact on their academic profile and reputation. We used to joke about their students. They now have an ACT average of 27, and an average GPA of 3.96. Their student profile has greatly improved, as has the school's rankings.
That attracts better faculty and grad students, so you continue to see higher level of grants and awards. That attracts more out of state students, grad and undergrad, who are cash cows for a state university. Those students also improve the student academic profile. Faculty quality, student quality, grants on the books, and money in the bank are all big parts of the college rankings.
A great example is University of TN. Jimmy Cheek was chancellor there for almost a decade, and had a massive impact on their academic profile and reputation. We used to joke about their students. They now have an ACT average of 27, and an average GPA of 3.96. Their student profile has greatly improved, as has the school's rankings.
You and 615 are the two folks I pay attention to the most on this board when it comes to higher education.