Since several threads discussed the details of that case the last few days interesting to see the settlement.
How I feel about it depends on the evidence they’ll probably never release
I’ve read quite a bit on it.
I don’t think the police were being sinister in the case. I don’t think they were even being neglectful. I think it was a crazy instance and a very tragic accident.
They had reason to believe she was involved with a drug dealer. She was in that it was her ex but didn’t seem to have any involvement in the drugs.
The cops got a legal warrant and exercised it. The boyfriend had a legal gun and fired Bc he didn’t know it was the cops.
She was killed.
Terrible tragic accident and they do happen. $12 million won’t bring her back to life, but it is something.
I’m not sure what I think should happen to the cops. Accidents do happen.
I’ve read quite a bit on it.
I don’t think the police were being sinister in the case. I don’t think they were even being neglectful. I think it was a crazy instance and a very tragic accident.
They had reason to believe she was involved with a drug dealer. She was in that it was her ex but didn’t seem to have any involvement in the drugs.
The cops got a legal warrant and exercised it. The boyfriend had a legal gun and fired Bc he didn’t know it was the cops.
She was killed.
Terrible tragic accident and they do happen. $12 million won’t bring her back to life, but it is something.
I’m not sure what I think should happen to the cops. Accidents do happen.
End Qualified Immunity. End Civil Asset Forfeiture. End the War on Drugs.
Too many lives have been ruined and unnecessary blood shed (not even going to mention South of the border).
If prohibition worked, alcohol would still be illegal. It creates a black market, ripe for illegal enterprise leads the escalating violence to control the market share.
Since several threads discussed the details of that case the last few days interesting to see the settlement.
How I feel about it depends on the evidence they’ll probably never release
Doing away with qualified immunity and no knock warrants is a terrible idea. Defund the police...because that would help with training...yeah right.
Most of what everyone is complaining about could be very easily corrected but no one wants to offer ACTUAL solutions...they want to ***** and put a band-aid on it.
The solution is this: MANDATORY standardization and accreditation of ALL law enforcement agencies. Direct federal oversight of all law enforcement agencies with a more aggressive influence from the FBI and US-AG's office.
This includes mandatory standards in training, fitness, mental health, certifications, etc. Without meeting those standards THEN your agency loses qualified immunity.
You want to see funding get directed to the right place and things change? Do that.
I've got almost 20 years experience in law enforcement and I've been arguing for this for years. The problem is that law enforcement unions actively lobby against this because it would impact their influence and money. But you can't bar law enforcement from unionizing so....
Doing away with qualified immunity and no knock warrants is a terrible idea. Defund the police...because that would help with training...yeah right.
Most of what everyone is complaining about could be very easily corrected but no one wants to offer ACTUAL solutions...they want to ***** and put a band-aid on it.
The solution is this: MANDATORY standardization and accreditation of ALL law enforcement agencies. Direct federal oversight of all law enforcement agencies with a more aggressive influence from the FBI and US-AG's office.
This includes mandatory standards in training, fitness, mental health, certifications, etc. Without meeting those standards THEN your agency loses qualified immunity.
You want to see funding get directed to the right place and things change? Do that.
I've got almost 20 years experience in law enforcement and I've been arguing for this for years. The problem is that law enforcement unions actively lobby against this because it would impact their influence and money. But you can't bar law enforcement from unionizing so....
I’ve read quite a bit on it.
I don’t think the police were being sinister in the case. I don’t think they were even being neglectful. I think it was a crazy instance and a very tragic accident.
They had reason to believe she was involved with a drug dealer. She was in that it was her ex but didn’t seem to have any involvement in the drugs.
The cops got a legal warrant and exercised it. The boyfriend had a legal gun and fired Bc he didn’t know it was the cops.
She was killed.
Terrible tragic accident and they do happen. $12 million won’t bring her back to life, but it is something.
I’m not sure what I think should happen to the cops. Accidents do happen.
Accidents do happen. But thats a hell of an accident. Now imagine its your wife, your mom, your daughter and it happens in what you think is the safety and comfort of your house. Shot and killed while in the bed. I dont have any good answers as to what should happen to the cops. I respect LEOs and realize thats an incredibly difficult job, but there are some jobs and situations that occur on jobs that you dont just get an "oops, I'll do better next time"... and this is one of them. Im not an expert on law but I think this would be manslaughter or something like that.
End Qualified Immunity. End Civil Asset Forfeiture. End the War on Drugs.
Too many lives have been ruined and unnecessary blood shed (not even going to mention South of the border).
If prohibition worked, alcohol would still be illegal. It creates a black market, ripe for illegal enterprise leads the escalating violence to control the market share.
They weren’t trying to get the ex boyfriend in the raid were they? I thought they were going after her as they thought the drugs and/or money was running through the apartment.
they had boat loads of good intel indicating that drugs were being moved through that apartment and several others were connected by the vehicle Taylor was driving. The entire underlying facts and circumstances were released a few weeks back. It’s one of the most thorough and in-depth facts and circumstances that I’ve ever seen in a search warrant request. Very detailed. The apartment had been under surveillance for a long time with tons of documentation, photographs, etc. It was a mountain of evidence.
For those of you who say that it was a tragic mistake and they were just doing their job, answer this:
Why did they lie on the paperwork after the fact? Why did they not have their body cameras on?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/louisville-police-breonna-taylor-death-incident-report/
Why did the cops try to get her ex boyfriend to agree to a plea deal that required him to name her as a member of a criminal syndicate?
https://www.fox23.com/news/trending...xt=LOUISVILLE, Ky.,for the Taylor family said.
Could it have been a mistake? Sure. No knock raids should be illegal and this is a great example as to why. Regardless of the outcome, the moment they started the cover up they might as well have admitted to a level of guilt and should all be tossed in prison.
I'm definitely on board with extra standardized training. Going through such a certification process would command higher salaries, and in the process create competition for those positions. No more hiring GEDs, dishonorable discharges, sociopathic bullys, or guys who were bullied and need a badge to get back at everyone. How this already isn't the way its done is ******* baffling.
I was always told if they aren't doing anything wrong, they don't have anything to worry about. It would all come out in court, but it doesn't happen like that.
Qualified Immunity if the very thing that dissolves the potential for a civil suit though. Are you sure you know what you're defending entails?
Also, you cannot seriously be comparing law enforcement to doctors. Doctors are charged and convicted criminally all the time. https://apps2.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/CasesAgainstDoctors/spring/main?execution=e2s1
Prospective Doctors haven't been deterred.
Doctors, that go to school for 10+yrs to learn their practice and are required 3+yrs of residency; who will be fired and lose their practicing license if they violate their oath.
Please don't make that comparison.
You're whole side-note conjecture regarding Good Faith is a separate conversation. Just because the water services maintain clarity, pressure and infrastructure doesn't mean you can lump all issues therein to one paragraph. But...
Most everyone has good intentions. Hell, Hitler thought he was bringing Germany back to prominence. It's easy to look back now, but back then he had the support to make it happen. And he did. He just started taking too many "vitamins" everyday and went mad and tried to take too much.
ETA: Don't mince it up. I'm not suggesting police=hitler Germany. It was an example on the assumed Good Faith mentioned and the fallacy therein. Altruism is rare, especially for those holding the power. Please see below
Law enforcement are humans that make mistakes, and unfortunately they are entrusted with so much power that their mistakes cost lives. People just want transparency and accountability when that happens. Not a shrug and a taxpayer funded bailout without consequence
You seem to be in support of the unions that prioritize protecting those paying dues and maintaining budget increases though.
If you are a big union supporter that's fine, they are needed to a degree. But they need to be working in coordination with employers, not directly against them, to attain an achievable balance.
I love how your answer is deduced to fear mongering, "it could be worse, just wait". You can't scare everyone into subordination.
I question authority, as everyone should. Authority without question is absolute and we don't do that here. If people want that they can move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Doctors aren't charged criminally for basic malpractice (with the exception of prescribing pain meds, and a lot of doctors absolutely do just refuse to prescribe pain meds, even when they should be available, just because they'd rather the patient suffer than deal with the headache). And it's also relevant that in exchange for taking hte much smaller risk of getting charged, they get rich.
Because we make doctors rich. We artificially restrict the supply and subsidize demand, so no, liabilityh isn't a huge concern as long as they can get insurance. It's just a matter of how rich they will be.Very true. Those doctors can be sued for compensation though. They do not have qualified immunity.
My linked example was to point out that despite the tremendous amount of criminal convictions, we've never had more doctors than right now in the US. Not many were deterred from pursuing their passion, and if so, it was negligible.
That's probably a good idea, but if you're going to compare them, you can't say "civil liability doesn't seem to cause people to stop wanting to be doctors" when doctors get rich and have a reasonably safe job while cops are middle class at best (barring some ridiculous padding of pension benefits) and have a relatively dangerous job.Most importantly, LET'S NOT COMPARE DOCTORS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
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