SEC/ACC Should put sports in a bubble

[dorndawg]

I've heard it's just a bunch of walking around getting $100 handshakes every day (even Sunday) for hours. Then trying to figure out which car to drive over to McDonald's to get a big mac...

And spending a lotta time with their snapper, amirite?

 

[dorndawg]

Do you think the stipend is fair market value for somebody who gets a scholarship but rides the bench for four years without being processed?

What the 17 relevance is it? The guy that cuts my yard now probably charges $15 less a cut than anybody else I coudl find. You're argument is that when I hand him cash he's somehow not been paid? You're just intentionally being dumb.

Sounds like you enjoy paying below market value? You're certainly not alone in that line of thinking.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

When a Georgia Elementary school lasted 4 days before quarantining of 900?

This is the utterly ridiculous part. What a civilization of pusscakes we have become.

 

[SheltonChoked]

You all are letting dorndawg troll you. It's not about the debate on what players should get, it's about the fact that they aren't paid professionals (no matter the benefits they receive from the school). Don't get pulled down his agenda'ed rabbit trail.

Bubbles work for pro sports. If you want college to stay amateur, you should be against the bubble.

And if you want to see football this fall, bubbles are the only thing that works.

And I need a ETLIF why they have to be paid to be in a bubble....

 

[SheltonChoked]

Do you think the stipend is fair market value for somebody who gets a scholarship but rides the bench for four years without being processed?

What the 17 relevance is it? The guy that cuts my yard now probably charges $15 less a cut than anybody else I coudl find. You're argument is that when I hand him cash he's somehow not been paid? You're just intentionally being dumb.

If Kylin made a 36 on this ACT, are you going to pay him cash for his scholarship? Since he earned 2x the value per the market....

 

[dorndawg]

This is the utterly ridiculous part. What a civilization of pusscakes we have become.

I agree. Seeing grown men have hysterical meltdowns over missing one season of college football is tough to watch.

 

[Mobile Bay]

Dak didn't get a raise until this year. He played on his rookie contract.

Same as when Kylen Hill, high school player, signed his contract with us.

 

[Xenomorph]

If it boils down to football in a bubble or no football.. it's going to be no football. Sometimes the logistics of the endeavor make it an impossibility.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

And if you want to see football this fall, bubbles are the only thing that works.

We heard you the first time.

And I need a ETLIF why they have to be paid to be in a bubble....

It's a sacrifice you can't really ask an unpaid person to do (which is why they are being allowed to opt out of the semi-bubble they are already in). These admins know they are walking a fine line.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

If it boils down to football in a bubble or no football.. it's going to be no football. Sometimes the logistics of the endeavor make it an impossibility.

For the 23rd time, we got it. I agree.

I am commenting on the stupidity of those two options. More specifically, I was commenting on the pussification of those two options.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

You can play sports in a bubble, or in not America. Them's the choices.

Got to protect granny with diabetes who smoked all her life.

 

[Xenomorph]

Sry.. I meant to reply to shelton above about "you want football?"

 

[Seinfeld]

Yes, because the market is other NCAA schools which can’t provide him with anything more. Therefore, it is fair

 

[mstateglfr]

No.

Football will be first, but the other sports could follow as well.

Your plan is to put all athletes in all fall sports from across the SEC into a bubble in Orlando at Disney?

That was difficult to even type it is so nuts.

 

[fishwater99]

In all seriousness, why not?

Student Athletes can't be treated differently when it comes to attending school vs a non-football student. If all classes are online, then you could try some type of bubble, but that is not the case right now.

 

[fishwater99]

When you say 'sports' you really mean it in the singular sense.
...unless you forgot the plan for ALL the other sports that are played in both conferences?

Agreed, it can't just be done for football and not women's soccer etc.. Some people don't want to see that you have to treat all student athletes equal.
Football on the brain.

 

[fishwater99]

Then we will not have football this year.

Exactly. There will be no football. The SEC is just kicking the can down the road. If we start games, there will be an outbreak and the games will be stopped. The liability is too great.

 

[fishwater99]

You want 29 athletic departments to have their entire 105 man roster, practice squad, coaching staff, training staff, equipment managers, support personnel, nutritionists, tutors and administration... pack up all their **** (which won't even fit in one 18-wheeler for a single away game) and tell them to go live in a hotel for 4 months?

Well....

The NFL isn't even doing a bubble. The MLB didn't either and their season isn't going so great and these are professionals. They are being paid big $$, they are assuming the risk and liability themselves.

 

[archdog]

I will tell you this, EliteDawgs has gone full on retarded. Like these old *** dudes do not understand basic science and will not listen to basic protections that need to be in place for our athletes. Like basic ****. Full on retarded.

 

[archdog]

Student Athletes can't be treated differently when it comes to attending school vs a non-football student. If all classes are online, then you could try some type of bubble, but that is not the case right now.

Sure they can. What about missing classes due to travel days? They already make certain changes for athletes.

 

[fishwater99]

I will tell you this, EliteDawgs has gone full on retarded. Like these old *** dudes do not understand basic science and will not listen to basic protections that need to be in place for our athletes. Like basic ****. Full on retarded.

Are you surprised?

 

[Seinfeld]

I hear what you’re saying, but I am 99.9% positive that they could figure it out. First off, something like 80% of football players seem to miraculously be majoring in the same thing these days, so it’s not as if they’ll have to cater towards 85 different majors. Second, am I crazy or is it not true that after taking summer classes into account, most players only have to pass like 6 credit hours in the Fall? I may be off on that, but if true, that lessens the workload in terms of setting up online classes even more.

Lastly, worst case, just tell everyone that regardless of major, if you’re playing this Fall, you’ll be taking these 2-3 core courses.

I’ll readily admit that I don’t know exactly how it can/will work, but if online classes is the only roadblock, I’m confident that they’ll figure it out

 

[Russ Wheeler]

First off, something like 80% of football players seem to miraculously be majoring in the same thing these days, so it’s not as if they’ll have to cater towards 85 different majors.

That's one of the biggest problems in college athletics right now. It's more egregious in the non-revenue sports simply because there isn't much of a chance to monetize your athletic ability after college.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

I will tell you this, EliteDawgs has gone full on retarded. Like these old *** dudes do not understand basic science and will not listen to basic protections that need to be in place for our athletes. Like basic ****. Full on retarded.

Most of them probably prefer the herd immunity approach. Just let the virus burn. Is it that surprising they would think this way? And to blow your mind even further, their viewpoint is somewhat valid. At what point to we expect the vulnerable parts of society to take care of themselves? It's been nearly 6 months now of the rest of us taking care of them.

 

[L4Dawg]

Most of them probably prefer the herd immunity approach. Just let the virus burn. Is it that surprising they would think this way? And to blow your mind even further, their viewpoint is somewhat valid. At what point to we expect the vulnerable parts of society to take care of themselves? It's been nearly 6 months now of the rest of us taking care of them.

That is a disgusting statement.

 

[dorndawg]

Most of them probably prefer the herd immunity approach. Just let the virus burn. Is it that surprising they would think this way? And to blow your mind even further, their viewpoint is somewhat valid. At what point to we expect the vulnerable parts of society to take care of themselves? It's been nearly 6 months now of the rest of us taking care of them.

You really ought to be ashamed of yourself if you believe this. And you are welcome to leave at any time.

 

[Russ Wheeler]

You really ought to be ashamed of yourself if you believe this. And you are welcome to leave at any time.

Bullcheet, both you and L4dawg. I suspect you are about to try the Christian shaming routine. Save it. This is the United States, we already do way more for the vulnerable parts of our society than other countries, especially countries in the Biblical days. The basics are there plus some, especially in the age groups that are struggling most with this virus.

Back to the point, there is nothing wrong with asking vulnerable members of society to stay home and protect themselves. It's the right thing to do. Every resource is available to allow this to happen.

ETA: We all did our part to stop the spread for the medical field to catch up back during the actual quarantine. That time has passed. Now people need to take care of themselves. To deny this is like a cancer of the mind.

 

[Swede39]

I hear what you’re saying, but I am 99.9% positive that they could figure it out. First off, something like 80% of football players seem to miraculously be majoring in the same thing these days, so it’s not as if they’ll have to cater towards 85 different majors. Second, am I crazy or is it not true that after taking summer classes into account, most players only have to pass like 6 credit hours in the Fall? I may be off on that, but if true, that lessens the workload in terms of setting up online classes even more.

Lastly, worst case, just tell everyone that regardless of major, if you’re playing this Fall, you’ll be taking these 2-3 core courses.

I’ll readily admit that I don’t know exactly how it can/will work, but if online classes is the only roadblock, I’m confident that they’ll figure it out

Ideally after taking summer courses they'd let you only take 6 hours in the fall but in order to be eligible to play, the athlete has to take the minimum required hours to be considered a full time student. Which at State, it's 12 hours for undergrad. 9 hours for graduate. At least that's what it was when I was there.

 

[johnson86-1]

If Kylin made a 36 on this ACT, are you going to pay him cash for his scholarship? Since he earned 2x the value per the market....

I'm not going to pay him anything. But if he made a 36 and he got an academic scholarship that paid all tuition and fees and covered books and still paid him a check each semester (which I assume would be the case), I wouldn't claim he wasn't paid. Whether I thought he was paid too much or too little doesn't really change the fact that he was paid.

 

[dorndawg]

Sad.

 

[woozman]

This thread is stupid. Even when you get past the fact that a school 1. Is not (and probably cannot legally) going to sequester the football team for months and 2. Is not going to pay the enormous cost that would entail.

Then there is this - the NBA bubble is limited to 37 people per team including players, coaches, support staff, etc. That number would be over 120 for a college football team.

Never gonna happen - pay attention to MLB. That model is the realistic hope for college football...

 

[mstateglfr]

Most of them probably prefer the herd immunity approach. Just let the virus burn. Is it that surprising they would think this way? And to blow your mind even further, their viewpoint is somewhat valid. At what point to we expect the vulnerable parts of society to take care of themselves? It's been nearly 6 months now of the rest of us taking care of them.

Is GOAT back?

 

[RocketDawg]

It's totally free: Tuition, fees, books, room & board. That works out to a pretty good sum, even moreso if you're an out-of-state student, or go to certain schools.

 

[johnson86-1]

Most of them probably prefer the herd immunity approach. Just let the virus burn. Is it that surprising they would think this way? And to blow your mind even further, their viewpoint is somewhat valid. At what point to we expect the vulnerable parts of society to take care of themselves? It's been nearly 6 months now of the rest of us taking care of them.

It's not that people "prefer" the herd immunity approach. It's just that there isn't really a reasonable alternative being offered at this point. With extremely destructive and unsustainable policies, we can slow the spread down to a trickle, but as soon as we inevitably go back to something closer to normal, we are going to have outbreaks comeback. The temporary delay just doesn't seem like enough benefit to justify all the human costs.

 

[DeltaChicagoDog]

My Bru given the slip?

 

[L4Dawg]

Bullcheet, both you and L4dawg. I suspect you are about to try the Christian shaming routine. Save it. This is the United States, we already do way more for the vulnerable parts of our society than other countries, especially countries in the Biblical days. The basics are there plus some, especially in the age groups that are struggling most with this virus.

Back to the point, there is nothing wrong with asking vulnerable members of society to stay home and protect themselves. It's the right thing to do. Every resource is available to allow this to happen.

ETA: We all did our part to stop the spread for the medical field to catch up back during the actual quarantine. That time has passed. Now people need to take care of themselves. To deny this is like a cancer of the mind.

OK, that's everyone with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, lung disease, obesity, over 60, and quite a few other things. Care to guess what % of the the American population you just told to go home is? I get it you want other people to do things so you can do whatever the hell you want to, but it's just not possible. On obesity alone that's 40% of the Mississippi population.

 

[RocketDawg]

Not sure when you last attended college, but it’s been around 40-50 years since the life of a college football player resembled anything remotely close to a “normal” college student. There’s no reason to start pretending that they’re regular students today

And that's a shame.

 

[Seinfeld]

The NFL also isn’t having to worry about 85 college aged kids that will be mingling with anywhere from 15-50k other kids as soon as they leave practice.

I’m not implying the pro athletes are the beacon of maturity or that you’re wrong, but comparing the NFL and it’s players to any college scenario is apples and oranges IMO

 

[Seinfeld]

Got it, thanks. I definitely recall the 12-hr requirement when I was in school as well, but I swear I remember seeing some article about a loophole not too long ago. I believe it came up during all the stipend discussion a few years back, and while some were arguing that there’s no possible way for a player to be a full time student, have to play/practice, and get a part time job, others argued... “yeah, but after accounting for summer hours, they only are required to pass like 6 credit hours in the Fall”.

Who knows, probably the usual internet misinformation

 

[Seinfeld]

I don’t disagree. I mean... those that want to go the engineering, bio-chem, etc route are clearly able to do so. However, it really cheapens the “they’re getting a free education” argument when many are clearly being steered towards whatever class is a guaranteed passing grade.