ARs and Aks getting real scarce

[BiscuitEater]

... and lawmakers discussing gun bans and such. Obviously the legislation never happened

You are lucky if you live in state not discussing gun bans. We almost had a revolt here in Virginia.

 

[turkish]

.223 and 22 long rifle are not the same. Gun education is important

Assuming this was directed at me, what did I say that was uneducated or incorrect?

 

[GloryDawg]

Really ? Guess that's why it sush a popular deer hunting rifle. If you are shooting people with a 22 you better be a crack shot.

I hunt with a shotgun but in case the world goes to **** and I have to go into survivor mode the lighter the better. Trust me I was in the Marine Corp and the less weight the better you are off. I would really want a M19. It can fire 500 40mm grenades 1000 meters per minute. Not very practical and it would be better mounted on a Humvee but if I was protecting my home from Zombies, Looters, Negan that is the weapon I would want but living out in the wilderness trying to survive I would take the 22 cal for the reasons stated. The weapon is light, the ammo is light and you can kill with it. One shot in the gut or head the guy will probably die. A shot anywhere else is going to take him off his feet and he will not be able to do anything else. Either way I get away.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Strike Industries King Comp. It is around $40 at Optics Planet. I did not want to spend big dollars for it in case I did not like it.

 

[WilCoDawg]

She’s a violent drunk, eh?

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Thanks. I am not actively looking. I was just killing some time and saw so many Out of Stock. way more than ever before.

 

[johnson86-1]

You might check into some of that education yourself. Neither of us is wrong. “Caliber” is a description of bore diameter, not chambering.

You've confused the hell out of me now. I thought I bought an AR-15 chambered in the 5.56 nato rounds. I also that that was basically the caliber of the weapon. I know that's not exactly right as I can shoot 5.56mm or .223 out of it, but is the difference between what it's chambered in and the caliber meaningful to anybody besides gun smiths?

 

[DAWG61]

 

[johnson86-1]

Fair enough. I'm all for home protection. I just don't really think recent events are cause for concern for 99.99% of Americans' safety. And I'm aware that you weren't implying you had increased protection due to recent events. I hope your family/property stays safe from whoever was doing the break ins.

Way more than .1% of the country has to worry about safety in light of all the rioting. About .1% of our population just lives in Minneapolis. More than 2 percent of our population lives in NYC.

And I suspect there will be random acts of violence across a lot of small and midsized cities that are inspired by the rioting, looting, and arson elsewhere. .

 

[Bcash2]

"rough" is a better adjective.

 

[Bcash2]

I didn't mean for 99.99% to be interpreted as a literal estimate. I should have said "a very overwhelming majority of Americans".

 

[turkish]

You've confused the hell out of me now. I thought I bought an AR-15 chambered in the 5.56 nato rounds. I also that that was basically the caliber of the weapon. I know that's not exactly right as I can shoot 5.56mm or .223 out of it, but is the difference between what it's chambered in and the caliber meaningful to anybody besides gun smiths?

It’s just that “caliber” is technically used to describe the diameter of the projectile, bullet.

222Rem, 223Rem, 22 hornet, 218 Bee, 5.56x45, 22 creedmor are just some of the dozens of 22-caliber centerfire rifle chamberings.

I was only attempting to be snarky to the first “all you need is a 22cal riffle” comment. Not trying to be an ahole. You’re not wrong. It’s semantics, somewhat. Been used wrongly so much, that it’s widely accepted

 

[Rebeldude]

5.56mm has a higher PSI than .223 caliber. It also has a longer throat (holding about a grain more powder, therefore giving it the higher performance. .223 in a weapon chambered for 5.56 is not that big a deal, but performance will not be optimal. 5.56 in a weapon chambered for .223 can cause serious problems, especially in 14 inch and under barrels. I've seen one weapon explode from the increase in pressure. Not pretty. Also the 5.56 is millimeters. .223 is .223 inches (really .224).

Now you know.

And yes a .22 LR is .223 diameter. But not the same length, isn't jacketed, and has nowhere close to the velocity of .223 or 5.56. Therefore doesn't have nearly the performance. But it will keal as Doug Marcaida would say.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

You've confused the hell out of me now. I thought I bought an AR-15 chambered in the 5.56 nato rounds. I also that that was basically the caliber of the weapon. I know that's not exactly right as I can shoot 5.56mm or .223 out of it, but is the difference between what it's chambered in and the caliber meaningful to anybody besides gun smiths?

Just an FYI, the .223 rem chamber and .5.56 x45 NATO are not exactly the same. Firing .223 in a rifle labeled 5.56 is perfectly safe. Not the other way around. Firing 5.56 NATO in a .223 chamber can cause dangerous overpressure.

 

[johnson86-1]

5.56mm has a higher PSI than .223 caliber. It also has a longer throat (holding about a grain more powder, therefore giving it the higher performance. .223 in a weapon chambered for 5.56 is not that big a deal, but performance will not be optimal. 5.56 in a weapon chambered for .223 can cause serious problems, especially in 14 inch and under barrels. I've seen one weapon explode from the increase in pressure. Not pretty. Also the 5.56 is millimeters. .223 is .223 inches (really .224).

Now you know.

And yes a .22 LR is .223 diameter. But not the same length, isn't jacketed, and has nowhere close to the velocity of .223 or 5.56. Therefore doesn't have nearly the performance. But it will keal as Doug Marcaida would say.

Haven't broken it in yet (seller recommended going through a few hundred 5.56 before doing any .223 although he said it wouldn't be a big deal either way), but I was told (again, by seller, so grain of salt I guess) that if I wasn't a good shooter, I probably wouldn't notice any difference between 5.56 and .223 unless I was sighting a scope and using a shooting bench. Said I was just as likely to see a difference between varying quality of bullets in the same caliber.

He did clarify not to shoot 5.56 rounds in a .223.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Most (99%) AR-15s are 22-caliber rifles.

.22 round vs. .223 round

 

[DawgNsuds]

As a rule, I stay with the same round that I sighted in with, you certainly can see a difference at distance. And ditto on kudos to PSA, good value and performance. Next build will be a 458 SOCOM, for no other reason than "why not" ?

 

[Baddmann]

+1 for Palmetto State and Atlantic. Both are excellent.

My favorite AR I have is a New Frontier composite lower and PSA 5.56 upper. Extremely light and accurate.

 

[msstatelp1]

He did clarify not to shoot 5.56 rounds in a .223.

He is correct.

 

[turkish]

He is correct.

Yep.

And just because one box of sto bought 556 does fine doesn’t mean the next one will.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Morons trying to take your **** and destroy your business for no legitimate reason?

 

[ckDOG]

I though barber shops opened back up?

No revolution necessary.

 

[goodknight]

Wonder why since we are headed to a police free country!

 

[Ralph Cramden]

.223 inches in diameter. They do make AR style 22 rifles. Hardly the same as you can see in the picture. And I respect that you were in the marine Corp but a 22 long to the leg isnt going to do that much damage to a large determined adversary. I suppose if I was defending my home thru guerilla warfare in the woods weight would be an issue but I would choose to stand and fight with superior fire power. You all are entitled to your opinions.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Way more than .1% of the country has to worry about safety in light of all the rioting. About .1% of our population just lives in Minneapolis. More than 2 percent of our population lives in NYC.

And I suspect there will be random acts of violence across a lot of small and midsized cities that are inspired by the rioting, looting, and arson elsewhere. .

I was talking to a deputy sheriff yesterday and asked him if this round of violence and rioting caused him to fear more for his safety than when we went through all of this a few years ago and he said it did. He explained that by saying that if you have a protest going on and someone on one side (didn't matter which) started acting an *** and it ended up devolving into utter chaos as has been seen lately, then there are outside agitators on both sides waiting to swoop in and escalate it further. So what would have been a one night world of **** turns into a multi-day world of ****.

 

[RocketDawg]

The uptick during Obama’s terms was from people rushing out due to him and lawmakers discussing gun bans and such. Obviously the legislation never happened nor did any EOs. Doesn’t mean the rush wasn’t warranted and unfounded as you insinuated.

Uptick in buying too when everybody thought Hillary was going to be elected. Then that surge dropped off when Trump became prez.

 

[Dawgbite]

I’m an admitted gun nut but I’ve never really understood the love for the 223/5.56 for civilians. I get why the military uses it and agree with them wholeheartedly but 99.99 % of any civilian use of firearms is going to meet different requirements. Don’t misconstrue my thoughts, I own an AR but it would be low on my list of guns I would grab to meet a threat. I’m not humping miles through the jungle or desert, weight of ammunition isn’t a concern for me. For a distant threat, an AR 10 or any hunting caliber automatic is a better choice than the AR15. For a threat in my home, a pistol caliber carbine or even a pistol is better suited for close defense. I agree that they are cheap to shoot they just aren’t my favorite gun.

 

[turkish]

I’m an admitted gun nut but I’ve never really understood the love for the 223/5.56 for civilians. I get why the military uses it and agree with them wholeheartedly but 99.99 % of any civilian use of firearms is going to meet different requirements. Don’t misconstrue my thoughts, I own an AR but it would be low on my list of guns I would grab to meet a threat. I’m not humping miles through the jungle or desert, weight of ammunition isn’t a concern for me. For a distant threat, an AR 10 or any hunting caliber automatic is a better choice than the AR15. For a threat in my home, a pistol caliber carbine or even a pistol is better suited for close defense. I agree that they are cheap to shoot they just aren’t my favorite gun.

What pistol caliber carbines do you like?

 

[Eleven Bravo]

I just got an AR10 chambered in .308 from Wyndham Weaponry. I can shoot .308 or the 7.62 NATO rounds through it if so desired. The .308 is actually heavy enough to hunt with, which is why I purchased it. I think my next purchase will be an AR10 in 6.5 Creedmore. I’ve put tens of thousands of .223 rounds down range during my years in the Infantry, and I realize that while it is designed for the specific purpose of eliminating enemy personnel, it’s still not so reliable for harvesting deer and other animals as the heavier ammo is. If you want to kill humans, the AR15 is still pretty damned effective.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Ruger PC9

that covers it.

 

[BELdog]

Rifles are too bulky, unless you can see the zombie mob coming down the street. Keep your revolver close at hand.
I like my Ruger 22 magnum LCR. Good stopping power
and doesn't jam like my LCP.

You and I have different definitions of stopping power.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I saw a couple at academy today but there were hardly any shotguns and less than half the handgun case was full. I don’t know if that’s a stocking issue or a shortage issue because there weren’t any labels that were empty

 

[Dawgbite]

What pistol caliber carbines do you like?

I’m a 1911 guy so 45 ACP is the easy answer. I have a Just Right Carbine that uses Glock clips, I have a 10,15, and a 27 round. I also have an Auto Ordenance “Tommy Gun” but it’s quiet a bit heavier than the JRC. I’ve been waiting on Kel Tec to come out with a Sub 2000 in 45 but I may just go ahead and buy a 9mm. Modern technology has really blurred the lines as far as stopping power between the 45 and the 9mm. I’ve even started buying 1911’s in 9mm and the difference in recoil is amazing. As I get older I’m becoming a fan of easy.

 

[Dawgbite]

I misread your original question, you asked about guns not caliber. I love the JRC, it’s a AR pattern gun designed specifically for pistol calibers. The Kel Tec is a great gun for the money. Beretta makes a fine gun and any of the MP5 clones are good too. Most of your pistol caliber carbines are going to come from the European manufacturers.

 

[KentuckyDawg13]

Must suck to live in fear.

Lock it.

 

[johnson86-1]

I’m an admitted gun nut but I’ve never really understood the love for the 223/5.56 for civilians. I get why the military uses it and agree with them wholeheartedly but 99.99 % of any civilian use of firearms is going to meet different requirements. Don’t misconstrue my thoughts, I own an AR but it would be low on my list of guns I would grab to meet a threat. I’m not humping miles through the jungle or desert, weight of ammunition isn’t a concern for me. For a distant threat, an AR 10 or any hunting caliber automatic is a better choice than the AR15. For a threat in my home, a pistol caliber carbine or even a pistol is better suited for close defense. I agree that they are cheap to shoot they just aren’t my favorite gun.

I pistol once they're inside is I guess better, but for these shop owners, I suspect an AR-15 is much more effective as a show of force than pistols, and even than more powerful hunting rifles, for the same reason a lot of anti-2nd amendment people get their panties in a wad over AR-15s and other "assault" rifles. There is a psychological impact to seeing something that looks like a military weapon, even if it's in reality "just" a .223, or even an actual .22LR basically wearing a costume.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Fair enough. I'm all for home protection. I just don't really think recent events are cause for concern for 99.99% of Americans' safety. And I'm aware that you weren't implying you had increased protection due to recent events. I hope your family/property stays safe from whoever was doing the break ins.

Would you agree that recent events in the police aren’t a concern for 99% of black people?

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Went to Academy sports Saturday in Starkville and the fun rack was basically 3/4 empty. Pistol and riffle ammo all but gone. Still a lot of shotgun shells available, though.

 

[fishwater99]

I just got an AR10 chambered in .308 from Wyndham Weaponry. I can shoot .308 or the 7.62 NATO rounds through it if so desired. The .308 is actually heavy enough to hunt with, which is why I purchased it. I think my next purchase will be an AR10 in 6.5 Creedmore. I’ve put tens of thousands of .223 rounds down range during my years in the Infantry, and I realize that while it is designed for the specific purpose of eliminating enemy personnel, it’s still not so reliable for harvesting deer and other animals as the heavier ammo is. If you want to kill humans, the AR15 is still pretty damned effective.

I have the same AR10, good gun. I have killed several deer with it also.

Got the Nikon M-308 scope, seems like a good choice so far.

https://www.nikonsportoptics.com/en...scopes/m-tactical-.308-4-16x42sf-bdc-800.html

 

[SwampDawg]

I agree. I have various rifles, shotguns and pistols of various types, but if the time ever comes that the SHTF I'll take my Ruger 10-22 and Colt Woodsman and a few thousand rounds (that I have) over all the rest.