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so basically, what you are suggesting is that for the remainder of your natural days on this earth, you'll forever wear a mask when in public spaces.
good on you.
Until we get to a vaccine. I don't know about the rest of you folks scared of a fraction of an ounce piece of cloth touching your pretty faces, but if a mask is the only thing between now and opening this ***** back up wide open so we can get some resemblance of normal life for the next several months, I'm doing it. The rest of you stubborn 17s can cry me a river if we flare up again and get sent back to the house. Suck it up, buttercups. It's just a damn piece of cotton.
Until we get to a vaccine. I don't know about the rest of you folks scared of a fraction of an ounce piece of cloth touching your pretty faces, but if a mask is the only thing between now and opening this ***** back up wide open so we can get some resemblance of normal life for the next several months, I'm doing it. The rest of you stubborn 17s can cry me a river if we flare up again and get sent back to the house. Suck it up, buttercups. It's just a damn piece of cotton.
In close quarters, sure. But not just everyday life. Sorry, ain't doing it.This. It ain't complicated. Wear a mask, keep some distance from others, and let's go!
If the vaccine prevents 20% of the cases? Or does the mask only come off if it completely eliminates the disease?
Doesn't matter at this point whether or not masks are effective in slowing or stopping the spread. From the beginning the direction on them has been inconsistent, poorly communicated, and politicized; thus the general credibility on the topic is beyond repair for too many people to expect masks to be voluntarily implemented to an effective degree. As is the case with many other COVID19 talking points that could have been helpful.
I hope you're blaming the CDC, and not Trump.tone at the top + no plan and you get a cluster.
I think they can be helpful for airlines and other mass transit, along with gloves, discarded right after the travel. Problem essentially solved. And this is more to ease people's anxieties, rather than real actual safety. Airlines have heavy duty air filters. Real life isn't as dangerous as these fearful people think.Doesn't matter at this point whether or not masks are effective in slowing or stopping the spread. From the beginning the direction on them has been inconsistent, poorly communicated, and politicized; thus the general credibility on the topic is beyond repair for too many people to expect masks to be voluntarily implemented to an effective degree. As is the case with many other COVID19 talking points that could have been helpful.
I hope you're blaming the CDC, and not Trump.
So have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?Hypothetical me all day. I don't know what the math of a 20% effective vaccine says, but seeing that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot and that we are comfortable with flu transmission, a 20% effective vaccine + exposure amongst the healthy might get us there.
Again, I want the economy and our livelihoods back to as normal as they can be as soon as they can be. Masks are a very simple way of you and me helping push that along. Either help where you can, or resist by not changing behavior. Your choice.
So have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?
In close quarters, sure. But not just everyday life. Sorry, ain't doing it.
A word from Dr. Michael Osterholm about cloth facemarks .........................................................................................................
Dr. Osterholm is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.
"While many people are going out in public with cloth masks, Osterholm says the perceived protection they offer just isn't there. Cloth masks, I think, are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead." In many areas, though, it's no longer a matter of whether you want to do it or not. In Michigan, masks are mandatory in any public place, including grocery stores. The mayor of Stillwater, Okla., rescinded a mask order after it was discovered that employees trying to enforce it were threatened with physical violence. Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places. "I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me when using it."
Hypothetical me all day. I don't know what the math of a 20% effective vaccine says, but seeing that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot and that we are comfortable with flu transmission, a 20% effective vaccine + exposure amongst the healthy might get us there.
Again, I want the economy and our livelihoods back to as normal as they can be as soon as they can be. Masks are a very simple way of you and me helping push that along. Either help where you can, or resist by not changing behavior. Your choice.
The guidance only recommends wearing a mask when you can't practice social distancing. So by all means, if you're riding on the subway, wear a mask. If you can maintain distance from folks, you don't need to wear one.
I read in the report that mask “may” be helpful in certain situations where social distancing is not possible. It is possible in WM and most retail store. I wore one to doctor, dentist and hair cut but that’s it so far.
Let me ask again, have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?
A word from Dr. Michael Osterholm about cloth facemarks .........................................................................................................
Dr. Osterholm is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.
"While many people are going out in public with cloth masks, Osterholm says the perceived protection they offer just isn't there. Cloth masks, I think, are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead." In many areas, though, it's no longer a matter of whether you want to do it or not. In Michigan, masks are mandatory in any public place, including grocery stores. The mayor of Stillwater, Okla., rescinded a mask order after it was discovered that employees trying to enforce it were threatened with physical violence. Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places. "I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me when using it."
I think they can be helpful for airlines and other mass transit, along with gloves, discarded right after the travel. Problem essentially solved. And this is more to ease people's anxieties, rather than real actual safety. Airlines have heavy duty air filters. Real life isn't as dangerous as these fearful people think.
This intelligent, obviously well-respected doctor of infectious disease will surely be reduced to idiot status on here shortly.
Probably on a 5:1 basis as well.
So chalk it up fight now for believing what you want to believe - the data is all over the place. You have an answer, I'll find someone that agrees with it right now.
Just answer these questions. Ignore papers, research, etc. just simple common sense questions and responses
1) are you positive you aren't infected?
2) if no (the answer is no unless you've been isolated since your last test), do you think a piece of cloth in front of your sneezing or coughing mouth would make it less or more likely for your possibly infected respiratory droplets to travel some distance?
3) if less, wear the mask. If you don't know, wear the mask. If more, why?
I don't need a potentially biased doc/scientist/researcher on either side of the argument to tell me that putting something in front of a traveling something will slow it down. I also don't need someone to explain to me they even if it isn't fool proof and that not everyone compiles, a partially effective method used by a partial competent of a population can have significant favorable impacts on transmission (that's the very concept of how vaccines work)
So really it just comes down to this - probably help by wearing a mask or absolutely don't by not wearing one. Pretty easy decision. Don't let an easy concept get muddied by the noise and politics. If I'm wrong, send me a bill for the harm.
Probably on a 5:1 basis as well.
So chalk it up fight now for believing what you want to believe - the data is all over the place. You have an answer, I'll find someone that agrees with it right now.
Just answer these questions. Ignore papers, research, etc. just simple common sense questions and responses
1) are you positive you aren't infected?
2) if no (the answer is no unless you've been isolated since your last test), do you think a piece of cloth in front of your sneezing or coughing mouth would make it less or more likely for your possibly infected respiratory droplets to travel some distance?
3) if less, wear the mask. If you don't know, wear the mask. If more, why?
I don't need a potentially biased doc/scientist/researcher on either side of the argument to tell me that putting something in front of a traveling something will slow it down. I also don't need someone to explain to me they even if it isn't fool proof and that not everyone compiles, a partially effective method used by a partial competent of a population can have significant favorable impacts on transmission (that's the very concept of how vaccines work)
So really it just comes down to this - probably help by wearing a mask or absolutely don't by not wearing one. Pretty easy decision. Don't let an easy concept get muddied by the noise and politics. If I'm wrong, send me a bill for the harm.
And by many dictators in local municipalitiesThis intelligent, obviously well-respected doctor of infectious disease will surely be reduced to idiot status on here shortly.
I'm sure you can find several credentialed people who suggest otherwise. If you stopped there, we could all agree to disagree. But then you have to go into efforts to discredit the guy (probably on a 5:1 basis, etc.).
Why isn't it good enough just to acknowledge that masks aren't settled science and Bru isn't an ******* if he decides not to wear one?
I’ve seen a guy in my neighborhood, on multiple occasions, wearing a mask while running by himself. Just dumb.This is not a statement on masks, but on morons.
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