🔒 Mask wearing

[L4Dawg]

https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/05/04/face-masks-for-the-general-public.html

 

[Nunya.sixpack]

so basically, what you are suggesting is that for the remainder of your natural days on this earth, you'll forever wear a mask when in public spaces.

good on you.

 

[ckDOG]

Or maybe that mask wearing is an effective stop gap

so basically, what you are suggesting is that for the remainder of your natural days on this earth, you'll forever wear a mask when in public spaces.

good on you.

Until we get to a vaccine. I don't know about the rest of you folks scared of a fraction of an ounce piece of cloth touching your pretty faces, but if a mask is the only thing between now and opening this ***** back up wide open so we can get some resemblance of normal life for the next several months, I'm doing it. The rest of you stubborn 17s can cry me a river if we flare up again and get sent back to the house. Suck it up, buttercups. It's just a damn piece of cotton.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Are you going to keep wearing the mask

Until we get to a vaccine. I don't know about the rest of you folks scared of a fraction of an ounce piece of cloth touching your pretty faces, but if a mask is the only thing between now and opening this ***** back up wide open so we can get some resemblance of normal life for the next several months, I'm doing it. The rest of you stubborn 17s can cry me a river if we flare up again and get sent back to the house. Suck it up, buttercups. It's just a damn piece of cotton.

If the vaccine prevents 20% of the cases? Or does the mask only come off if it completely eliminates the disease?

 

[thf24]

Doesn't matter at this point whether or not masks are effective in slowing or stopping the spread. From the beginning the direction on them has been inconsistent, poorly communicated, and politicized; thus the general credibility on the topic is beyond repair for too many people to expect masks to be voluntarily implemented to an effective degree. As is the case with many other COVID19 talking points that could have been helpful.

 

[GloryDawg]

What few I see wearing mask at stores are probably wearing them for their own safety and not others.

 

[OldFatDog]

Until we get to a vaccine. I don't know about the rest of you folks scared of a fraction of an ounce piece of cloth touching your pretty faces, but if a mask is the only thing between now and opening this ***** back up wide open so we can get some resemblance of normal life for the next several months, I'm doing it. The rest of you stubborn 17s can cry me a river if we flare up again and get sent back to the house. Suck it up, buttercups. It's just a damn piece of cotton.

This. It ain't complicated. Wear a mask, keep some distance from others, and let's go!

 

[My Bru]

This. It ain't complicated. Wear a mask, keep some distance from others, and let's go!

In close quarters, sure. But not just everyday life. Sorry, ain't doing it.

 

[ckDOG]

Until death is eradicated and Goat leads us in "We are the world"*

If the vaccine prevents 20% of the cases? Or does the mask only come off if it completely eliminates the disease?

Hypothetical me all day. I don't know what the math of a 20% effective vaccine says, but seeing that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot and that we are comfortable with flu transmission, a 20% effective vaccine + exposure amongst the healthy might get us there.

Again, I want the economy and our livelihoods back to as normal as they can be as soon as they can be. Masks are a very simple way of you and me helping push that along. Either help where you can, or resist by not changing behavior. Your choice.

 

[ckDOG]

No doubt about that.

Doesn't matter at this point whether or not masks are effective in slowing or stopping the spread. From the beginning the direction on them has been inconsistent, poorly communicated, and politicized; thus the general credibility on the topic is beyond repair for too many people to expect masks to be voluntarily implemented to an effective degree. As is the case with many other COVID19 talking points that could have been helpful.

tone at the top + no plan and you get a cluster.

 

[My Bru]

tone at the top + no plan and you get a cluster.

I hope you're blaming the CDC, and not Trump.

 

[My Bru]

Doesn't matter at this point whether or not masks are effective in slowing or stopping the spread. From the beginning the direction on them has been inconsistent, poorly communicated, and politicized; thus the general credibility on the topic is beyond repair for too many people to expect masks to be voluntarily implemented to an effective degree. As is the case with many other COVID19 talking points that could have been helpful.

I think they can be helpful for airlines and other mass transit, along with gloves, discarded right after the travel. Problem essentially solved. And this is more to ease people's anxieties, rather than real actual safety. Airlines have heavy duty air filters. Real life isn't as dangerous as these fearful people think.

 

[ckDOG]

Why would I blame Trump?

I hope you're blaming the CDC, and not Trump.

Because he definitely didn't issue a plan and then tell folks to ignore it, hype up unproven game changers, and completely ignore the advice most of his executive department is embracing on wearing masks. He's seems very prepared, consistent in messaging, and level headed. Calm, collected, and directing traffic like a true leader Would go through another pandemic at his lead, no doubt. 10/10

 

[Bucky Dog]

Hypothetical me all day. I don't know what the math of a 20% effective vaccine says, but seeing that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot and that we are comfortable with flu transmission, a 20% effective vaccine + exposure amongst the healthy might get us there.

Again, I want the economy and our livelihoods back to as normal as they can be as soon as they can be. Masks are a very simple way of you and me helping push that along. Either help where you can, or resist by not changing behavior. Your choice.

So have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?

 

[Bucky Dog]

I read in the report that mask “may” be helpful in certain situations where social distancing is not possible. It is possible in WM and most retail store. I wore one to doctor, dentist and hair cut but that’s it so far.

Let me ask again, have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Vaccine.... the common cold is a Caronavirus, and we don’t have a vaccine for it.

 

[Shmuley]

A word from Dr. Michael Osterholm about cloth facemarks .........................................................................................................
Dr. Osterholm is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

"While many people are going out in public with cloth masks, Osterholm says the perceived protection they offer just isn't there. Cloth masks, I think, are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead." In many areas, though, it's no longer a matter of whether you want to do it or not. In Michigan, masks are mandatory in any public place, including grocery stores. The mayor of Stillwater, Okla., rescinded a mask order after it was discovered that employees trying to enforce it were threatened with physical violence. Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places. "I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me when using it."

 

[ckDOG]

Patio, yes. Inside, no.

So have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?

I've walked in for takeout. I have beers with the neighbors outside. Main transmission is respiratory droplets (I.e. coughs, grunts, sneezes). That **** carries well in enclosed space. Talking? Not much risk. Touching and ingesting? Not much risk. Being in an enclosed space with other folks where have no idea if they are infected or hacking up virus? That's your risk scenario. I'll avoid those types of spaces where I can well into the summer, then reevaluate as it dies out. Reevaluate again when we flare back up again in the fall.

Again - I'm not promoting fear. I'm promoting a simple activity that will help us get back into a more typical life. If you are inside, masks are going to knock down transmission rates. We either do this as a stop gap or take our medicine and let this thing infect like wildfire right now and get it over with. I'm not sure many folks will accept the latter - so masks it should be.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

OBiden will save us.

 

[G-Dawg]

This is not a statement on masks, but on morons. To the 20-something year old woman who almost ran me off the road yesterday because you were wearing your mask while driving in a vehicle with NOBODY else in it, but on your 17ing iPhone and swerving all over the place...17 YOU. You wear a mask to protect you from dying and then get in a 2 ton piece of metal hurtling at 60 MPH at other objects while on your cell phone. You're a genius.

 

[Shmuley]

Nearly got broad-sided today by a stupid ***** wearing a facemask talking on her 17n phone in a car by herself. Of course, where there is a trifecta of 17 up (female driver, on phone, facemask) one is hard-pressed to determine which element is most likely to be the cause of an accident.

 

[Drebin]

In close quarters, sure. But not just everyday life. Sorry, ain't doing it.

The guidance only recommends wearing a mask when you can't practice social distancing. So by all means, if you're riding on the subway, wear a mask. If you can maintain distance from folks, you don't need to wear one.

 

[Drebin]

A word from Dr. Michael Osterholm about cloth facemarks .........................................................................................................
Dr. Osterholm is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

"While many people are going out in public with cloth masks, Osterholm says the perceived protection they offer just isn't there. Cloth masks, I think, are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead." In many areas, though, it's no longer a matter of whether you want to do it or not. In Michigan, masks are mandatory in any public place, including grocery stores. The mayor of Stillwater, Okla., rescinded a mask order after it was discovered that employees trying to enforce it were threatened with physical violence. Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places. "I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me when using it."

This intelligent, obviously well-respected doctor of infectious disease will surely be reduced to idiot status on here shortly.

 

[Cooterpoot]

Hypothetical me all day. I don't know what the math of a 20% effective vaccine says, but seeing that the flu vaccine is a crap shoot and that we are comfortable with flu transmission, a 20% effective vaccine + exposure amongst the healthy might get us there.

Again, I want the economy and our livelihoods back to as normal as they can be as soon as they can be. Masks are a very simple way of you and me helping push that along. Either help where you can, or resist by not changing behavior. Your choice.

The flu has mutated multiple times in different strands, and antibodies don't stop it. Antibodies are stopping this so far and it's not mutated to something that antibodies don't stop, so a solid vaccine is at a minimum promising. This isn't the flu.

 

[Sapsdawg]

Review article says it "could" be helpful. The author does not address exhalation valves (may as well wear nothing if your intent is to protect others), nor is any real world study cited for people wearing under real world conditions. The studies cited in the main simply test the filtration ability of the covering and does not test for leakage or fit. The article doesn't address beards, lack of fit-testing, etc. Also having the same filtration capacity of a surgical mask means nothing without telling what the filtration capacity of a surgical mask is. Surgical masks are intended to block large particles and splashes and sprays not 1 micron sized virus. Try again.

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[Cooterpoot]

IF everyone wore masks, it would greatly reduce risk but not eliminate it. From about a 12 ft travel area without a mask to a 2 or 3 foot area is a big difference. But no ones eyes are protected by a mask and if you move through any area where the virus is in the air, you're still limited in protection. I wear one simply to reduce the odds. Something is better than nothing.

 

[archdog]

The guidance only recommends wearing a mask when you can't practice social distancing. So by all means, if you're riding on the subway, wear a mask. If you can maintain distance from folks, you don't need to wear one.

Thank you. If you are a city park, playing golf, or fishing you probably don't need one. If you are going into any retail store Lowes, grocery story, etc, you should wear one out of common decency as an American working together with all other Americans. This is literally not hard at all. The mask can limit how far the virus spreads if you sneeze or cough. We don't need three aisles of Walmart infected because of one sneeze. That crap sits in the air for minutes.

It's not hard folk. It is the decent "human" thing to do. We are all in this together.

 

[GloryDawg]

I read in the report that mask “may” be helpful in certain situations where social distancing is not possible. It is possible in WM and most retail store. I wore one to doctor, dentist and hair cut but that’s it so far.

Let me ask again, have you or will you go to a restaurant or bar before there is a vaccine?

Hell I have been out to eat six times and gone to gym 12 times since the governor opened things back up. I don't wear mask and I am not scared. I will not live in fear. I might go eat Chinese food tonight.

 

[Raiderdawg.sixpack]

A word from Dr. Michael Osterholm about cloth facemarks .........................................................................................................
Dr. Osterholm is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota.

"While many people are going out in public with cloth masks, Osterholm says the perceived protection they offer just isn't there. Cloth masks, I think, are at the very bottom of the list. They have little impact if any. But they've become basically something that people feel like they have to do or want to do it. If they want to do it, go ahead." In many areas, though, it's no longer a matter of whether you want to do it or not. In Michigan, masks are mandatory in any public place, including grocery stores. The mayor of Stillwater, Okla., rescinded a mask order after it was discovered that employees trying to enforce it were threatened with physical violence. Dr. Osterholm ended his discussion about masks on The Morning News with Dave Lee by saying they just aren't that helpful in normal public places. "I can tell you right now I don't believe that they play any major role in either preventing me from getting infected if I use it or if I am infected and don't know it. I don't have any symptoms. They don't protect those around me when using it."

I think he’s right. The data is inconsistent on this and most studies are poor or don’t reflect real respiration. It may help prevent spread. It probably won’t protect the wearer much.

 

[TNT.sixpack]

I think they can be helpful for airlines and other mass transit, along with gloves, discarded right after the travel. Problem essentially solved. And this is more to ease people's anxieties, rather than real actual safety. Airlines have heavy duty air filters. Real life isn't as dangerous as these fearful people think.

You can forget the gloves now. CDC revised it's stance on how the virus is spread and surface spread is no longer listed. In fact, they go so far as to say the virus isn't easily spread across any surfaces. So far, they've been wrong about a lot.

 

[ckDOG]

Bet I can find similar credentialed who say otherwise

This intelligent, obviously well-respected doctor of infectious disease will surely be reduced to idiot status on here shortly.

Probably on a 5:1 basis as well.

So chalk it up fight now for believing what you want to believe - the data is all over the place. You have an answer, I'll find someone that agrees with it right now.

Just answer these questions. Ignore papers, research, etc. just simple common sense questions and responses

1) are you positive you aren't infected?
2) if no (the answer is no unless you've been isolated since your last test), do you think a piece of cloth in front of your sneezing or coughing mouth would make it less or more likely for your possibly infected respiratory droplets to travel some distance?
3) if less, wear the mask. If you don't know, wear the mask. If more, why?

I don't need a potentially biased doc/scientist/researcher on either side of the argument to tell me that putting something in front of a traveling something will slow it down. I also don't need someone to explain to me they even if it isn't fool proof and that not everyone compiles, a partially effective method used by a partial competent of a population can have significant favorable impacts on transmission (that's the very concept of how vaccines work)

So really it just comes down to this - probably help by wearing a mask or absolutely don't by not wearing one. Pretty easy decision. Don't let an easy concept get muddied by the noise and politics. If I'm wrong, send me a bill for the harm.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Probably on a 5:1 basis as well.

So chalk it up fight now for believing what you want to believe - the data is all over the place. You have an answer, I'll find someone that agrees with it right now.

Just answer these questions. Ignore papers, research, etc. just simple common sense questions and responses

1) are you positive you aren't infected?
2) if no (the answer is no unless you've been isolated since your last test), do you think a piece of cloth in front of your sneezing or coughing mouth would make it less or more likely for your possibly infected respiratory droplets to travel some distance?
3) if less, wear the mask. If you don't know, wear the mask. If more, why?

I don't need a potentially biased doc/scientist/researcher on either side of the argument to tell me that putting something in front of a traveling something will slow it down. I also don't need someone to explain to me they even if it isn't fool proof and that not everyone compiles, a partially effective method used by a partial competent of a population can have significant favorable impacts on transmission (that's the very concept of how vaccines work)

So really it just comes down to this - probably help by wearing a mask or absolutely don't by not wearing one. Pretty easy decision. Don't let an easy concept get muddied by the noise and politics. If I'm wrong, send me a bill for the harm.

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[Drebin]

Probably on a 5:1 basis as well.

So chalk it up fight now for believing what you want to believe - the data is all over the place. You have an answer, I'll find someone that agrees with it right now.

Just answer these questions. Ignore papers, research, etc. just simple common sense questions and responses

1) are you positive you aren't infected?
2) if no (the answer is no unless you've been isolated since your last test), do you think a piece of cloth in front of your sneezing or coughing mouth would make it less or more likely for your possibly infected respiratory droplets to travel some distance?
3) if less, wear the mask. If you don't know, wear the mask. If more, why?

I don't need a potentially biased doc/scientist/researcher on either side of the argument to tell me that putting something in front of a traveling something will slow it down. I also don't need someone to explain to me they even if it isn't fool proof and that not everyone compiles, a partially effective method used by a partial competent of a population can have significant favorable impacts on transmission (that's the very concept of how vaccines work)

So really it just comes down to this - probably help by wearing a mask or absolutely don't by not wearing one. Pretty easy decision. Don't let an easy concept get muddied by the noise and politics. If I'm wrong, send me a bill for the harm.

I'm sure you can find several credentialed people who suggest otherwise. If you stopped there, we could all agree to disagree. But then you have to go into efforts to discredit the guy (probably on a 5:1 basis, etc.).

Why isn't it good enough just to acknowledge that masks aren't settled science and Bru isn't an ******* if he decides not to wear one?

 

[jethreauxdawg]

This intelligent, obviously well-respected doctor of infectious disease will surely be reduced to idiot status on here shortly.

And by many dictators in local municipalities

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

That’s counter to the panic narrative. It should not only be ignored, but he should be silenced.

 

[ckDOG]

I acknowledged it wasn't settled science.

I'm sure you can find several credentialed people who suggest otherwise. If you stopped there, we could all agree to disagree. But then you have to go into efforts to discredit the guy (probably on a 5:1 basis, etc.).

Why isn't it good enough just to acknowledge that masks aren't settled science and Bru isn't an ******* if he decides not to wear one?

He might be a genius or a quack. I don't really care for purposes of this discussion.

I proposed a set of very reasonable questions and would like to know your gut instinct answer. I won't post research or articles. They are simple questions with simple answers. What are yours?

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

This is not a statement on masks, but on morons.

I’ve seen a guy in my neighborhood, on multiple occasions, wearing a mask while running by himself. Just dumb.

 

[ckDOG]

Fair point for the virus in a vacuum.

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Now consider the droplets they hitch a ride on. Virus can go through masks, but they need a vehicle to reach a target. Can't beach a mask if it never gets their in the first place.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I was honestly just picking. I wear one when out in crowded places just on the off chance that it helps someone else. I mean logically I can see that it would stop non-microscopic level spittle and such, but I think there is likely a lot of invisible water vapor that carries right on through with virus in tow.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Do what? We should only support panic narratives? I'm unsure what you meant here.