Reusing homemade masks could potentially cause more problems than they solve and the n95 masks need to be saved for those who actually need them in healthcare settings. Making a suggestion to wear a mask is reasonable but making it mandatory without enough evidence to support that it doesn’t actually cause more problems than it solves is a bit scary.
Starkville board and mayor pass resolution
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Reusing homemade masks could potentially cause more problems than they solve and the n95 masks need to be saved for those who actually need them in healthcare settings. Making a suggestion to wear a mask is reasonable but making it mandatory without enough evidence to support that it doesn’t actually cause more problems than it solves is a bit scary.
Yes it is. The resolution gains it's authority from the Mississippi state of emergency for the pandemic. The resolution is a temporary law and can carry the weight of a city ordinance. I believe this one expires May 11. The fine for violation is not to exceed $1,000 and/or 90 days in jail at the discretion of the court. So, depending on the judge you get he could fine you $1.00 or throw the book at you for $1000 and 90 days in jail.
Most businesses are going to stick their toes in the water
Even if allowed to go back to normal open throttle, I think most folks are going to be very cautious. Masks, capacity restrictions, etc. I hope patrons are decent to these folks just trying to get back into the swing of things in a way they are comfortable with. Call the reactions what you will, but these definitely aren't normal times. We should all be patient and reasonable.
Even if allowed to go back to normal open throttle, I think most folks are going to be very cautious. Masks, capacity restrictions, etc. I hope patrons are decent to these folks just trying to get back into the swing of things in a way they are comfortable with. Call the reactions what you will, but these definitely aren't normal times. We should all be patient and reasonable.
Making laws based on inconclusive medical data is dangerous and stupid. We don’t even know if these homemade masks will hurt more than they help.
https://t.co/fvE2l690YZ
Part of the resolution states that the businesses are required to put an employee at the door and not let anyone in without a face covering. Whether the business provides masks to customers who show up without one is up to the business.
Our entire society is based on giving a little for the greater good. You literally just described the basis for a well run society.
They aren't talking about n95 masks that are a bit tricky. They just want your moth and nose covered. It's pretty simple, you put it on, and if it covers your mouth and nose then you are good. It's NOT to protect you. it's to protect others from you. Masks, even the worst ones, do reduce the number of droplets you put into the air. That is NOT in dispute.
Most people are fine with doing something if they are asked to.
Most people are not fine with doing something if they are forced to.
I appreciate this because its a point in philosophical social thought that I was at 15 years ago...when I was 25.
Its utter nonsense, but I appreciate it since I see my former self in it, before I realized 'slippery slope' is a never ending pseudo-intellectual response.
Basically any potential change in law can be rolled down that slope, and yet to ever accomplish anything, action must actually be taken.
-- none of my comment is directed towards supporting or disagreeing with the Starkville mask law.--
I take it you haven't been to your local Wal Mart lately. We have been asked to wear one state wide for a couple of weeks now. It wasn't happening.
Maybe motorcycles should just be illegal.
I hope the government does something about fast food and tobacco soon, too. I would feel much safer
Should people be wearing them throwing the baseball with their kid or pulling weeds in the flowerbed or something?
Yeah, I have as well as Lowe’s, Academy Sports, Ace Hardware, Winn Dixie, Dollar General and Rouses.
I would say the ratio where I live is about 30% wearing to 70% not wearing.
There are plenty of articles from doctors and scientists saying the surgical masks do little good. The homemade cloth face coverings do even less.
This is a just a “feel good” law, so the alderman that voted for it can say “look what I did to combat this.”
Props to the 2 alderman that voted no.
I would say the ratio where I live is about 30% wearing to 70% not wearing.
There are plenty of articles from doctors and scientists saying the surgical masks do little good. The homemade cloth face coverings do even less.
This is a just a “feel good” law, so the alderman that voted for it can say “look what I did to combat this.”
Props to the 2 alderman that voted no.
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You must’ve replied to the wrong person, I don’t think I said “slippery slope“ there. My comment was pointing out the stupidity of the govt for doing something in the interest of “health” while turning a blind eye to other more serious health issues, tobacco and obesity. I also asked if people who are ok with these forced “Health and safety measures“ would also be ok with others? What I mentioned is not a far fetched idea, in fact in some places, similar measures have been implemented or attempted to be implemented.
It depends on where they live. If you're talking about Starkville, no. Thus far, I think Dr. Katz has made the most sense about how to proceed.
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“Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither Liberty nor safety”
Ben Franklin
Ben Franklin
That's not the case. There is plenty of evidence that they do contain a very significant % of the droplets produced by the wearer. THAT is what they are for. That is what they have ALWAYS been for in surgery.
That only impacts you. You slamming down five big gulps and a box of Twinkie's for a morning snack only hurts you. The mask law is designed for you or me to not hurt others.
Ironically, this quote from Franklin in its original context means almost the opposite of what just about every person means when they use it. It was Franklin, defending "the authority of a legislature to govern in the interest of collective security" [tax the Penn family property to protect Pennsylvania during the French and Indian War].
Bingo. There's a common quote used by libertarians that says something like "the right to extend my arm ends at where your nose begins". I found a good article by libertarian author Walter Williams that discusses the problems with seat-belt laws vs. laws requiring cars to have working breaks.
https://www.deseret.com/2005/6/15/1...ry-seat-belt-use-saves-lives-but-it-s-immoral
https://www.deseret.com/2005/6/15/1...ry-seat-belt-use-saves-lives-but-it-s-immoral
But when they've ALWAYS been used in surgery, aren't they then discarded, not left to fester and be worn again later that evening?
Actually until relatively recent times they were washed and reused. You still can't shake the notion that wearing a mask in public is to protect you. It's to protect others from your droplets. All those other people wearing them are the ones that want to help protect you. The ones without them...……………….well.
They can't just violate a clearly recognized right and then say "I was just following orders". They have personal responsibility to not violate people's rights, so they in theory should not enforce laws or ordinances that vioalte people's rights. Not sure what clearly recognized rights mask ordinances would violate.
To show the public they are serious about this stuff. Besides,, that's the max just get a libertarian judge.
When I've had a mask available, I've been wearing them when going to the store, and I'm fully aware it's to protect others, not myself. I will admit, I sometimes lforget it at home, though.
However, I have not been convinced at all (though I am willing to be) that this particular measure is effective if the result is going to be a bunch of people wrapping a bandana around their face that they leave in their cars for weeks on end.
Hospital-level washing / disinfecting between uses is not realistic.
Just back from the Walmart Market after picking up dogfood. Its only the 1st day but there were probably a third of the people in the store not wearing masks (including vendors restocking shelves). There was someone posted at the front door but they just greeted people as usual who weren't wearing a mask. No mention that they needed a mask to enter. The non-maskers were from all groups. Young, old, black and white.
It is a slope in that the argument is - 'well if this is dangerous and banned, then what about these other things that could be dangerous and also could be banned?'
I personally have a tough time seeing anything banned that only affects the individual. You want to mainline sugar and become diabetic? Dumb, but OK. That only affects the individual(we aren't going down the rabbit hole of Healthcare here).
If someone does something that affects others, its an issue. You want to get hammered off tequila and drive? Nope, not OK. That affects others outside the individual.
Apply that here- you want to spend hours around strangers then go to stores and unknowingly infect others? Nope, not OK. Wear a mask.
This isn't a restriction of movement, it isn't a violation of rights, its just an official no shoes no service law. That **** isn't sanitary and requiring masks is simply saying there is an expectation sanitary minimum that must be met since you are interacting with others.
Even if its for show and doesn't actually work, its an expectation to give a minimum amount of **** and try.
The way I see code 42 is that the policeman can enforce any lawful law without fear of being sued. Maybe you read the full chapter but I don't believe a federal rule forces a cop to make a personal decision to enforce a law of not.
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