Man made or nah? Interesting Article from 2015

[TNT.sixpack]

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

So, the CDC has been adamant in their assertion that it's not a man-made virus. But according to this article, getting it to jump from bat to human, appears to be have been studied in a US lab at some point 5 years ago. So maybe the CDC and conspiracy folks are both right. I saw on BBC last night where they did identify the horse shoe bat from China as the culprit. Lo and behold, this article discusses the US studying the horse shoe bat in 2013 and a particular SARS like virus that those bats carried and how to mutate it. And, Wuhan bio weapons lab had been studying the horse shoe bat as well. One can opine that in 2015, we saw the danger in all this studying and we pulled the plug on it. Maybe the Chinese kept moving forward with it and here we are.

 

[Jeffreauxdawg]

I think the scientists all agree that it's likely a bat virus, that was passed to another animal (pangolins are the popular culprit), and then we're transferred to humans.

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes.”

– Kristian Andersen

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

 

[Shmuley]

"Intermediate Horseshoe Bat." Remember that name. Hopefully someone with an obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and an incredibly high level of curiosity and a researcher's drive to ferret out facts from fiction, along with an ability to write journalistically, will answer this question: In the fall/winter of 2019, could one find any Intermediate Horseshoe Bats for sale in the Wuhan Wet Market? If not, where would one have found Intermediate Horseshoe Bats in Wuhan?

 

[SirBarksalot]

Dont have links or anything, but Tucker Carlson was quoting a report/paper from some Chinese scientist(Maybe from Taiwan??) that thinks Covid19 did indeed originate in that Wuhan lab and likely escaped/leaked. No, not manmade, but from research bats/virus from that lab.
I was busy and couldn’t pay very close attention.

ed: I believe that’s what Schmuley is referencing above.

 

[Xenomorph]

As someone who went down that rabbit hole a couple of days ago, I strongly advise you NOT to google terms associated with any of that unless you've got guts of steel.

 

[Shmuley]

Yes, some of the images of soup bowls with "bat garnishes" are .... off-putting.

 

[Xenomorph]

Yeah.. unless you like unimaginable images of animal cruelty, just read this..

It's an article from 2013 about testing horseshoe bats in south China and a strange coronavirus they were carrying.

https://www.wired.com/2013/10/bats-next-sars-pandemic/

 

[turkish]

I never understood why people felt that “definitely not man-made” somehow disproved the idea of human foul play.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

What a 17ed up culture. That’s is sickening.

 

[SirBarksalot]

I never understood why people felt that “definitely not man-made” somehow disproved the idea of human foul play.

I don’t think foul play was being alluded to. More accidental than anything. Still doesn’t give the Chinese a pass, or a reason to keep the wet market open. Eventually there will be a pandemic that’s going to be a real killer with all the bad ingredients, and it will probably start there.

 

[SirBarksalot]

Here it is... could be ********. Who knows these days.

https://img-prod.tgcom24.mediaset.i...0192-5eb8307f-017c-4075-a697-348628da0204.pdf

 

[turkish]

I don’t even foul play was being alluded to. More accidental than anything. Still doesn’t give the Chinese a pass, or a reason to keep the wet market open. Eventually there will be a pandemic that’s going to be a real killer with all the bad ingredients, and it will probably start there.

Fair point. “Error” would’ve been a better choice of words on my part, than “foul play.”

 

[Digging dog]

Chinamen been lying

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Is it just me or is the term "wet market" enough to keep everyone else away as well?

 

[dawglawz]

Mmmmmoist.

 

[Xenomorph]

That's the one China has been scrubbing from the internet.

 

[Shmuley]

We are living in a 17n Stephen King novel, people.

 

[SirBarksalot]

And it’s not from Taiwan. It’s from the mainland.
I wonder how Botao Xiao is doing today?

ed: err. This doesn’t sound very scientific. “In another accident,he quarantined himself again because bats peed on him.”

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Here is a link

 

[missouridawg]

We are living in a 17n Stephen King novel, people.

only Robert Langdon can save us

 

[Xenomorph]

There are no Google maps images from inside the Wuhan "seafood" market.. BUT..

Here is a street view photo from the train station across the street. Wonder what's in all the plastic buckets folks are toting...

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.619...k-no-pi-0-ya36.58296-ro-0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352

 

[Digging dog]

Here is a street view photo from the train station across the street. Wonder what's in all the plastic buckets folks are toting...

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.619...k-no-pi-0-ya36.58296-ro-0-fo100!7i8704!8i4352

Chittlins *****

 

[mstateglfr]

There are like 6 buckets in a 360deg view. Odd I that it's about 5 more buckets than I would ever think a random picture of a Plaza would have, but it's not like there are dozens of buckets being carried.
A **** ton of luggage though...which makes sense.